Talk:Mary van Kleeck

Two good academic sources
Two very good academic sources for future expansion:

Beyond the Rank and File Movement: Mary van Kleeck and Social Work Radicalism in the Great Depression, 1931-1942 by Patrick Selmi and Richard Hunter

Mary van Kleeck and Social-Economic Planning by Guy Alchon of Cambridge

These additional sources are not readily available, but if anyone has an academic login, perhaps they can access them:

Mary van Kleeck, Lillian Gilbreth and the Women’s Bureau study of gendered labor law

Continuing an Alternative View of Public Administration: Mary van Kleeck and Industrial Citizenship, 1918-1927

Mary van Kleeck, Taylorism and the control of management knowledge

Ganesha811 (talk) 16:35, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Thesis written on van Kleeck
This master's thesis, from 1986, was written by Dahrl Elizabeth Moore at Florida Atlantic. It is entitled: "MARY VAN KLEECK: A BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH AND ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY OF HER WRITINGS" and thus seems like a good resource. http://fau.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/fau%3A11115

Ganesha811 (talk) 21:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SCHOLARSHIP, unpublished theses and dissertations should be used sparingly, and with care. Validly published and peer-reviewed sources, like the ones you've listed above, should be used first and foremost. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , ah, thank you! I was wondering what the policy was on this but wasn't sure. Appreciate the clarification and the point in the right direction. Ganesha811 (talk) 18:05, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Kran, Lori Ann, "Gendered law : a discourse analysis of labor legislation, 1890-1930." (1993). Doctoral Dissertations 1896 - February 2014. 1195. https://doi.org/10.7275/17dx-4n94 https://scholarworks.umass.edu/dissertations_1/1195
 * Another thesis that covers van Kleeck extensively is below - although it should not necessarily be used for referencing directly in the article, it could be useful in finding other sources and understanding context. Ganesha811 (talk) 05:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Sources of Congressional testimony
Two sources of Congressional testimony given by Mary van Kleeck are freely available online.

The first is to the House Ways and Means Committee in 1935, during the debate about the passage of the Social Security system.

Link: https://www.ssa.gov/history/pdf/hr35kleeck.pdf

The Second is to the Senate Permanent Subcommittee On Investigations in 1953, on the subject of whether she is a Communist - questioned by Roy Cohn.

Link: https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/Volume2.pdf

Ganesha811 (talk) 17:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

question
Van Kleeck's department "became a leading center for expertise" on industry and labor, training graduate students, developing new methods of investigation, and enduring reprisals from aggrieved corporations and wealthy donors to the Sage Foundation.

This sounds like the department became a leading center for expertise on enduring reprisals from corps/donors? Is that correct, or is this an issue with sentence construction? I'm wondering if the department endured these reprisals rather than was an expert on enduring them. Sorry, I can't get to the source to check. --valereee (talk) 14:15, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * - hmm, sounds like I didn't write the sentence clearly enough - I'll rephrase! Thanks for mentioning this. It's definitely that they endured reprisals rather than becoming expert in enduring them. Ganesha811 (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , I thought it might be just a long sentence that kind of lost its way :) --valereee (talk) 15:11, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Source on van Kleeck and Taylorism
This paper by Nyland & Heenan (Mary van Kleeck, Taylorism, and the Rule of Knowledge) has a lot of great info about her relationship with Taylorism to incorporate into the article. Ganesha811 (talk) 00:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia front page problem...
On the front page, it says "In 1916 she became the director of the Russell Sage Foundation's Department of Industrial Studies, which she led for over 30 years," but on the current article, it says "Van Kleeck rose to prominence as director of the Russell Sage Foundation's Department of Industrial Studies, which she led for over 30 years, beginning in 1916." This means the front page has not been updated. Do you think they can fix it? 69.243.164.5 (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The version on the main page should be a condensed summary, so we don't expect them to use the same wording. See WP:TFA. Larry Hockett (Talk) 22:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. 69.243.164.5 (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC)