Talk:Mascot/Archives/2012

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01 Mar 2005: removed reference to the Chief Illiniwek as the "mascot" of the University of Illinois. Such designation is probably inaccurate and is definitely contrary to university policy (under to which the Chief is explicitly defined as a symbol rather than a mascot). See the entry on Chief Illiniwek for further detail. If the Chief is to be reintroduced here, it must be within the context of a more nuanced discussion of what does and does not constitute a mascot. (wschrive)


 * Just because the University of Illinois doesn't call him as mascot doesn't mean that he is not as mascot. Chief Illiniwek seems to clearly qualify as a mascot.--RLent 20:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to split this page into one a list of mascots and a main mascot article (definition). If there's no objections before I check back sometime I'll do so. --zandperl 01:40, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

More racist allegations
The Atlanta Braves (cf. the "tomahawk chop"), the Washington Redskins, and the Kansas City Chiefs have also been mired in controversy. However this isn't always a mascot issue. The Fighting Whites were established to satirize stereotypical team names.

Nicknames different from mascots?
It seems to me that a mascot refers to a physical thing, and not the name a team uses. Obviously the two sometimes overlap, but they usually don't. For example, Ohio State University is the Buckeyes, but their mascot is Brutus the Buckeye. The University of Georgia is the Bulldogs, but their mascot is Uga the bulldog. This becomes especially apparent in the mentioned case of Stanford: as Stanford intendes it, cardinal is a color, and therefore can't be a mascot. Further, Webster defines mascots as "a person, animal, or object adopted by a group as a symbolic figure..."

So basically I'm suggesting that we mention the differentiation and that we specifically remove the line describing cardinal as Stanford's mascot. --Sarnacke 07:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, there's a bit of blending of nicknames, logos, symbols, and animals. For example there is a mascot for the U.S. Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, which is actually a bulldog puppy. British regiments have long had mascots as real animals, as have smaller units. Sometimes they're for ceremonial purposes, sometimes totemic.  This is quite distinct from a nickname or symbol. Hakluyt bean 19:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree too, but don't know enough about American sport to do it myself. I have recast this article a bit in any case, because it was competely dominated by American sports, which are a very specialized kind of mascot. Ming the Merciless 16:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

"Fatso the Fat-Arsed Wombat"
This image doesn't seem representative of mascots in general, and it doesn't match any of the sections of text within the article. As such, I think it should be removed, and I have done so. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 21:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I should add that all four of the other images seem to illustrate important aspects of mascot-dom, which the image of "Fatso" does not. There's one mascot for a city or region, one mascot for an athletic team, one mascot for a corporation, and one image that shows the human occupant of a mascot costume. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 21:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Good point. The reason I put the purple bug at the top was its sort of a balance between genericness (the personality-less suit high schools buy) and customization (fully-developed personalities that pro-sports teams and companies have). It also shows the mascot with a child, which is one of the key interactions of modern mascots. The Pets.com character is quite unique due to its success, but the company's downfall.


 * I've now added an illustration for the historical definition of mascots, via a Welsh goat. --  Zanimum 15:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I went ahead and added that image to Military mascot while I was at it. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 02:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I just happened to be doing some research for optimizing my client's website when I came across your Wiki. The purple bug, Millie, was designed and created by my client's mascot company, Loonie Times Character Productions. I thought I would (and hope it is okay) to give them a little plug and hope you will put her company name along with the image of Millie. The website is www.loonietimes.com and they design mascots, costumes and characters for everything from sports teams to corporate clients. Thanks for showcasing one of her designs and for putting up with my very first experience commenting on a Wiki! (Docutype 20:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC))

Cleanup needed
This article has no references, so I tagged it as.

It also includes lots of weasel words. Problematic phrases include:
 * Often the choice of mascot reflects a desired quality;...
 * ...as many argue that...
 * ...Others protest that...

There may be others elsewhere in the document. These opinions need to be attributed to a specific person or persons. Please cite reliable sources.

Please remove the templates once the problems have been addressed. Thanks, Johntex\talk 23:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

What are you guys trying to do
It seems that people don't like to mention mascot names on here or that mascots may come from other countries. DO you guys think be me putting a few mascot names on here it will take away from your noterity. If you dont want names on here take all mascot names of then.

We should be providing the facts not just some baloo that has come from some ones back side which seems to be the case on here.

I have added a history section so there is now more facts —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchammerhead (talk • contribs) 05:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Greetings. Please do not remove referenced text. Before making substantive changes to an article, please seek a consensus. Also, remember that information added to an article must be verifiable. When adding new text, especially controversial new text, it is good form to include a footnote reference to a reliable source. This not only helps to avoid extensive discussion and bickering, it also improves the entire article in a general sense. Again, do not remove text supported by references. See also Wikipedia's notability policy and guidelines concerning conflicts of interest. Thank you. --Evb-wiki (talk) 14:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Greetings Back to you. I have added sorced information: Please read it at. http://www.rightbiz.com/Article/History-Of-Mascots/54179 I have been working in the mascot industry for over 20 years so I do believe that what I add is a sorce as well, I have also studied symbology and mythology at a University level So i am there another sorce. Please also note that yes I do the shark for the Cronulla Sharks but I have also put other Australian mascots there as well. If you are a developer please take note that the footnote would not accept http://www.rightbiz.com/Article/History-Of-Mascots/54179 as a reference. I have relevant information to add to this article as well, if they keep undoing my information I will keep undoing theres. And if it keeps going on then I will have to get the administrator involed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.73.177 (talk)


 * Your personal experience is not "sourced". It is original research and not allowed on Wikipedia. --Evb-wiki (talk) 22:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Do not tell me what I can and can not add, who are you, you are nobody. As I have said I will keep changing it back.

Also note that I work in the media field I am sure you don't want bad publicity over free speech (in Australia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.73.177 (talk)


 * The text you keep adding is an exact copy of http://www.rightbiz.com/Article/History-Of-Mascots/54179. It is, therefore a copyright violation, and I have removed it. Please read Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. --Evb-wiki (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

It is not classied as a copyright issue if it is reffered to.


 * Exact copies of other webpages are violations of copyright whether attributed or not. Again, please see WP:COPYVIO. --Evb-wiki

If you keep deleting it I will keep putting it back if you leave the following in then I will leave it alone

Famous mascots outside the U.S. include the Australian McHammerhead, the Cronulla Sharks Rugby League mascot; Timmy The Tiger, the West Tigers Mascot rugby league team; Razorback Jack, the West Sydney Razorbacks National Basketball League mascot; Syd, the Sydney, the mascots for Sydney FC A League;

If you keep deleting my part you will have to delete [edit] Etymology it is an exact copy of a web page.


 * Which page is Etymology copied from? --Evb-wiki (talk) 23:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Ho thankyou for leaving the requested part in I will leave the page alone the ETYMOLOGY is from http://www.mascothalloffame.com/behind/history/.
 * Because the Wikipedia article provides a separate reliable source, I'd bet the Hall of Fame page is a copy of Wikipedia, rather that the other way around. --Evb-wiki (talk) 01:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I know for a fact that his web site was done before anything was put onto this site, it goes back to the beginning of 2005 but I guess it is ok for him for some one else to copyright some ones work. This is going to be a great story in the mag i publish. I will send you a copy...

Also please see these addys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Red_%28Western_Kentucky_University%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutus_Buckeye http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Met http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucky_Badger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YoUDee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_Bear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._C._Wolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch_%28mascot%29

When I put a personal page for my mascot it was taken off so again we have double standards.

Don't try banning me because I will just jump onto another computer

child mascot
As historically used in the military - boy mascot, and in some sports like (assoc) football & rugby a boy or girl who accompanies the team onto the field -Croke Park Ireland, sometimes being included in the team talk or 'huddle' before play - Lions Tour. Often carries a soft toy representing the team animal symbol, ie the other meaning of mascot. Hakluyt bean (talk) 03:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)