Talk:Masculinism

Vote
This page was voted on for deletion at Votes for deletion/Masculinism. dbenbenn | talk 04:23, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment Given the number of google entries for masculinism 10,100 vs masculism's 4180 I feel that the wrong page was voted for deletion. The world is evolving at a faster rate than ever before, and the benefit of a Wiki is surely it's ability to move quickly with these changes, (mind you, apologies if I'm out of line - I'm a brand new Wikipedian so I'm still learning wiki protocol :)) With that said, I propose that the entry remains based on it's usage being more than twice that of the alternative spelling. PaulZigZag 00:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Despite the fact that Google search results fluctuate from day to day (indeed, results are now doubled as I post this), it seems that your assertion is correct, and that the term "masculinism" is more often used than "masculism" two to one. --24.126.30.46 07:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Interesting, it would appear that Steve Dixon's Masculinism&reg; has superceded Masculism in terms of popular usage, this suggests that it is more readily adoptable in language and more aggressive memetically than masculism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.159.47 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 30 October 2005

Trademark
Comment: It is ludicrous to claim trade mark protection, either in the United States or in the UK, for philosophical concepts not remotely connected with industry or products or, as the name states simply, trade. As an attorney well-versed in intellectual property rights both in the US and abroad, I submit that despite Mr. Dixon's assertions to the contrary, one cannot expect legal protection against the free use of the terms "masculinsm" or "masculist" any more than one could trade mark the terms "feminism," "feminist," or "sophist." See e.g. the OED's entry on "masculist" (one cannot trade mark words in the dictionary under any treaty). PWH, 18 Nov. 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.27.203.124 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 18 November 2005

Redirect article
The vote for deletion mentioned above resulted in "redirect to Masculism." So why is the article still here?

It's true that there are more web sites using masculinism than masculism. However, if you look up masculinism or masculinist you'll see that the term has often been used to mean something like "relating to male-ness," "male dominant," or "favouring the masculine" (e.g., ). On the other hand, I checked numerous sites on masculism, and all used it to refer to the men's movement or men's rights.

Besides, we don't say femininist.

As for the trademark, this site says "The title Masculinist Evolution in New Zealand" was first used by Men's Centre North Shore co-ordinator Martin Lewis in 1995 when he founded the MENZ Issues newsletter."  And this site  refers to an article "Science, Masculinism, and the Gender System, paper at University of Delaware 1994."  And this site   lists the article "Berg, L.D. 1994. Masculinism, Power, and Discourses of Exclusion in Brian Berry's "Scientific" Geography. Urban Geography. 15(3):  279-287. Also footnote 1 above was from 2001. My own Oxford Canadian Dictionary, 2001 has a listing for masculism. Finally, in case there's any doubt from the country in which it was "trademarked," this site lists an article published in Britain:  Healy, Murray (1996) Gay Skins:  Class, Masculinism, and Queer Appropriation.  London:  Cassell. So let's can the 2002 trademark.

The article reads like an advertisment for Steven Dixon. It was voted to be redirected, and then someone put it back again. I suggest redirecting again. 24.64.223.203 09:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

-- okay, I redirected it. I hope it stays that way. 24.64.223.203 03:41, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Possibilities
I notice this redirect is protected. I would like it if an admin might possibly add Template:R with possibilities here. I recently created femininism which, based on the sources I located, appears to have a distinct meaning from feminism.

The distinction here, with these terms compared to masculine / femininine is whether or not the -ism suffix supplements the -ine (minus the silent E) or whether or not it replaces it.

In contrast to masculism and feminism which both have articles, I would like to refer to the longer supplementary suffixed terms (masculinism and femininism) as the "Inisms" in contrast to the "Lisms" perhaps. Just to be a bit easier on the eyes.

Since there is every indication that the Inism of feminism has a distinct meaning more associated with femininity rather than egalitarian lobbying, it opens my mind to the possibility that the Inism form of masculism may not be as interchangeable as we assume.

Yes, for certain they have had interchangeable usage history, but so do the Inism and Lism in the femin area too. Yet beyond being confused with feminism, the Inism has also been used in very different ways, so the Inism of masculism may have also. Have we looked into this? Ranze (talk) 00:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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