Talk:Masculinity

This articles fails to explain what masculinity is
I appreciate the detailed history, criticism and different views on it from all over the world. The article starts fine with:

Masculinity is a set of attributes behaviors, and roles associated with men and boys

But then the whole article fails to answer the next question:
 * What are the most typical manly attributes?
 * What are the most typical manly behaviors?
 * Any example of traits at all?

Most people looking first for an understandable answer. After that it should follow up on a more nuanced view. But this article is all criticism and no core.

GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 08:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The Overview section says "Traits traditionally viewed as masculine in Western society include strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness." The "In women" section mentions "strength, competition, and aggression". The "Health" section adds "drinking ability". Footnote 10 lists "strength of will, ambition, courage, independence, assertiveness, aggressiveness". Footnote 12 lists "courage, strong will, ambition, independence, assertiveness, initiative, rationality and emotional control". These could obviously be expanded on or consolidated though. Nosferattus (talk) 00:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

No mention of testosterone
Why is there no mention of testosterone and it’s effects on masculinity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.66.226 (talk) 00:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Like much in this domain, it's a nature/nurture situation, but IP is entirely correct; no testosterone, no masculinity. Of course, it goes further than that: no testosterone, no little baby boys, either; they will all be born as apparently perfect little baby girls at birth with phenotypically perfect external female anatomy, and be indistinguishable from and develop the same as babies born with CAIS, with a consequential enormous effect in repressing masculinity which will be minimal or nonexistent, submerged under the typical femininity of a developing girl. Mathglot (talk) 04:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

29 April 2023
Michler, R. (2022). The Masculinity Manifesto: How a man establishes influence, credibility &amp; Authority. Salem Books, an imprint of Regnery Publishing.

For this article, I plan to add a book description that is very insightful on what masculinity is called, "Masculinity Manifesto." I am new to Wiki editing.

Ryan Michler's, "The Masculinity Manifesto: How A Man Establishes Influence, Credibility, and Authority" is a book that goes into a deeper and less popular look at masculinity. This book list Stoicism, Competitiveness, Dominance, Aggression, Vigilance, Violence, Honesty, and Self Respect as key elements of masculinity. Ryan states that Masculinity is amoral and simultaneously compares it to the law of duality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeertheSeer (talk • contribs) 06:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Compulsory masculinity
I think the article should also use sources about compulsory masculinity, because there are lots of them:, ,. Reprarina (talk) 21:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Worldwide point of view
The article is heavily focused on "western" perspectives, by which I think it means US and Europe. Having a separate section on the "Global South" doesn't address the issue, because "Global South" includes a wide variety of cultures that are no more similar to each other than they are to those of the US and Europe. Putting the "Global South" in a separate section after the rest of the article also leaves the US and Europe as the primary focus. Elliotreed (talk) 18:23, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:SOFIXIT. Just identifying a potential problem is not the same as solving it. I haven't looked too closely at the material in question, but if WP:RSes discuss the topic mainly in relation to the US and Europe, then so do we. I've reverted the addition of the globalize tag until sources are found that meaningfully discuss masculinity in other cultures. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)