Talk:Maserati MC12

VfD
from VfD:

Vanity, non-notable --Bart133 21:50, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * It's currently an atrocious article, but Maserati is a well-known car manufacturer and we have many articles on individual car models. Keep and clean up. &#8212;No-One Jones (m) 21:54, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup. --fvw* 11:19, 2004 Nov 27 (UTC)
 * Keep, cleanup, needs cleanup indeed. Kim Bruning 18:03, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep! This is not vanity. This is notable. This does need cleanup. VfD is not Cleanup!  [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:53, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

end moved discussion


 * It's interesting that a article can be considered a vanity article by some and submitted to AfD, yet eventually become a Featured Article appearing on the main page. Shawnc 02:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Although no a vain article, it was in a terrible state. Good to see what time can do to an article, I suppose. -- -Ad a st a -  09:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)



Power output
Car and Driver reported in June 2005 that the MC12 produced 624 SAE net horsepower. This equates to 465 kW or 633 PS. I know that this discussion is not yet settled in Talk:List of automotive superlatives, but I wanted to note that these numbers were reported in a reputable source. --SFoskett 00:02, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * Here, try this, it's the Ferrari/Maserati press website. --Pc13 12:23, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)


 * Only registered users can access that site. Perhaps you can summarize the official word here?  --SFoskett 14:34, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * The Maserati web site says Maximum power 465 kW (630 CV) at 7500 rpm. I did not have to register to see that page. Bobblewik (talk) 14:41, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, bugger me! Sorry about that. I have access to most automakers' press sites and I just leave the passwords on automatic, so I forgot about the registering bit. --Pc13 18:47, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)


 * The kilowatt value appears to be primary on the Maserati site. Should we have it primary here? Bobblewik (talk) 09:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Roadster?
It is mentioned in the current article that 50 coupes and 25 possible roadsters are being produced. In my understading (based on various articles in the Topgear magazine and the Car magazine) only 50 coupes are being produced. The coupes are targa tops meaning that the roof panel comes off to change the car into a convertible.

Rewrite
I am recreating this article from scratch at User:James086/maserati, so if anyone is interesting in helping that would be great. Remember sources and try to keep the wording and format clear because this article is virtually unreadable.
 * I finished rewriting the article and have replaced the old one.James086 14:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * A lot of useful information regarding FIA GT participance seems missing - had to find it on []. And can you clarify the run on Dubai/2004? - from the referred table, I see that AF Corse won Zhuhai rather than Dubai. Honeyman 09:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You are completely right, sorry, I must have misread the table. It was Zhuahai so I have changed it. That link was basically a mirror of an older revision of this article which I found using the history. I didn't include that information because it was unsourced but if you can find sources for it go for it. I will look for some of the info aswell. James086Talk 00:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Factual issues
Recently someone brought up some factual disputes about the article on my talk page, if anyone can confirm any of the info that would be great, I'm currently looking into it. I also took it down from Good article nomination because of this. The issues raised were: James086Talk 03:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The team racing in the Italian GT 2005 was only Racing Box
 * Shows that there were 2 teams, with several drivers each. Playteam Sara Free had car number 12 and Racing Box had car number 1. Playteam Sara Free had 2 drivers, Racing Box had 3. Will look for other sources however
 * only mentions racing box
 * References only Racing Box.
 * Changing article. James086Talk 11:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There are 2 teams in the Italian GT for 2006; Racing Box and Scuderia Playteam
 * says Playteam Sara Free and Racing Box, no mention of Scuderia. Will look for more
 * References the "newcomers Scuderia Playteam" and other pages in the same domain constantly reference Playteam.
 * references Scuderia Playteam.
 * says there are 3 cars for Scuderia Playteam.
 * Changing article to Scuderia Playteam. James086Talk 11:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The car competed in 2 races in 2004, Dubai and Zhuhai, under the team AF Corse
 * confirms this
 * also confirms
 * Changing article to include Dubai James086Talk 05:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The MC12 Corsa has carbon racing brakes, not carbon ceramic brakes
 * Maserati says steel and carbon
 * says racing brakes (not carbon ceramic)
 * says steel and carbon
 * says steel and carbon
 * IGN is the only source with "carbon-ceramic"
 * Changing article to say "carbon racing brakes"James086Talk 05:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

GA nomination PASS
Good job on this article!

I tried to make minor copyediting changes. Please check all my diffs carefully, as sometimes seemingly innocent changes in wording can change factual content.


 * I was surprised there was no article for "air scoop." You can remove the redlink if you like.
 * I tried to put in wikilinks wherever I saw words that are specific to the car industry. As a cleanup exercise, you may want to read the article slowly, word by word, and see if there are others that can be added.
 * I wasn't sure about "were also contested by"; did you mean "were in competition with"?
 * I wasn't sure which victory was being referred to in the lead, where it says "achieiving a victory" This could be clarified.
 * I wasn't sure about "The car is noted for its size and consequent obscurity.." this clause is ambiguous, since abscurity can have different meanings.
 * I also left a note about another point in the diffs; please check.

But these are all minor points. Excellent work! --Ling.Nut 14:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

what's the big idea with the homosexual comment?
it looks like vandalism. will someone fix this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.86.156 (talk) 04:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC).


 * It gets fixed very quickly. This is todays featured article so it will probably attract a lot of vandalism today. Not to worry, there are plenty of people who will get rid of it quickly. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 04:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverted article again, vandalism Dewitp 14:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Aren't the featured articles supposed to be protected?? 130.245.211.188 22:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

British spelling Inconsistency.
Very minor comment but in the Reception header we have the line Other criticisms include the lack of trunk, rear window....... Would it not be better to use the word "boot" but still with the same wikilink (car boot redirects to trunk (automobile))? I would be bold but as it's on the main page I'd prefer a bit of consensus. Pedro | Chat  08:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The following is Copied from User talk:Pedro
 * Go for it. I never realised that I'd used the American word, I guess I've seen too many American films. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 08:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Pedro | Chat  08:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

"Tyres"
Under the 'wheels' heading, the word 'Tyre' appears multiple times, even linking to the 'tire' article. Is this a widely accepted spelling, or should it be Americanized to 'tire'? Ghostwo 15:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Tyre is a common alternate spelling http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tire --Danhibiki 17:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The article uses British spelling and per the Manual of Style it doesn't matter if it's British or American so long as it's consistent throughout . James086 Talk &#124;  Email 00:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Based on the fact that the wikipedia article for 'tires' is, in fact, titled "Tire", this seems to be the wiki standard. Additionally, a wikisearch for 'Tyre' found 3823 pages, while 'Tire' yielded 25,856 pages.  Now this is obviously skewed, as it includes synonyms and towns, but you get the point. Still, I suppose it doesn't really make a difference.  I guess us americans will have to wait awhile to rid English of the english >:-)  Ghostwo 06:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Grand tourer?
Can the MC12 really be called a grand tourer? I mean it dosnt even have a boot and is so low that it has trouble on normal roads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svennex (talk • contribs)


 * The car has been called a grand tourer by Maserati and due to the subjective term of supercar it was deemed better to call it a grand tourer (Maserati never called it a supercar, they did call the MC12 Corsa a supercar though) and not risk the possible conflict. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 00:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Does the fact that the engine is placed in the middle not rule it out as a grand tourer, as well as the fact that it is designed primary for racing instead of luxury you would expect in a Grand Tourer? Also the 'Enzo Ferrari'/'Ferrari Enzo' on which it is based is stated as being a Sports car. And the car's manufacturer is not nessecarily the best source. Therfore I think it qualifies better as a sports car. I would like to change that part of the article if no-one argues this within a month or so. If this message is in the wrong place, please correct me I am not an experieced wikipedia writer. 77.164.67.208 (talk) 12:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Support. Despite what Maserati may have called it, (perhaps Grand Tourer because it competed in the GT1 racing class?) i believe the MC-12 does not fit the description of a true "Grand Tourer." GTs typically are Front or Front-Mid engine, with a 2+2 seat layout as well as luxury apointments that would otherwise be left out of a sports car; especially one produced for the purpose of homologating a race car. The MC-12 is essentially a street version of its race car counterpart and i would say does have the same sort of comfort found in Maserati's other vehicles, like, the GranTurismo for instance. The GranTurismo, btw, is a classic example of a true GT. Ghost650 (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That naming comes from the racing, see the gt article --Typ932 T&middot;C 05:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Right, the race version of the MC12 competes in a GT racing class, which if you read the article simply states that a GT class race car is one that closely resembles a production car; the MC12 street car. Other cars that race in the GT2 class are the Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, and Ferrari F430; and none of these would be classified as Grand Tourers either. Please see the Grand_tourer article for a description of a Grand Tourer.Ghost650 (talk) 17:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The other cars you mentioned are more like road cars, Maserati is very limited model I think most of MC12 "road" cars are used in racing --Typ932 T&middot;C 21:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Measurements
Why are SI measurement units written as words instead of abbreviations? "Millimeter" instead of "mm"? "Kilogram" instead of "kg"? "Kilometers per hour" instead of "km/h"? Any problem with me changing it? --Pc13 15:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's part of the WP:MOS that measurements should be written out in full in text and abbreviated in brackets eg. "The car weighs 1335 kilograms (2943 lb)." See WP:UNITS. Oh yeah, thanks for correcting the MC12 Corsa's power, I didn't realise it was an error. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 00:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah. "Spell out units in the text". Took me a few times going up and down to notice that. Looks kind of clunky though. --Pc13 07:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's easier to write km/h or mm but I suppose they should be written out so that it's easier to read. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 08:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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FA concerns - source quality
I'm not super familiar with car sourcing, but what makes the following high-quality RS as required by the featured article criteria?
 * Seriouswheels.com
 * Carfolio
 * Money Inc.
 * Cool Supercars
 * Daily Sportscar
 * Global Car Locator
 * Crash.net
 * Ultimate Car Page

Additionally, there is uncited text scattered throughout. This older FA needs some tuning up, or it may require a featured article review. Hog Farm Talk 05:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I know you haven't looked at this in a long time and probably won't, but for future reference, Daily Sportscar is a reliable source for matters regarding, well, sportscar racing. Ultimate Car Page is a user-generated database (by someone who's seen these cars in person and was around when they actually raced, still user-generated nonetheless), and all of the others are total shit. Just a heads up. X750. Spin a yarn? Articles I've screwed over? 10:17, 19 November 2022 (UTC)