Talk:Maslow's hierarchy of needs/Archive 5

Morality: Self-actualization or Safety.
Putting text into the top of the pyramid is challenging because it's so small – No room to write. And yet it may be good to somehow delineate between security of morality (which is on the "safety" tier) and morality (which is above "self-actualization").

Montegrande (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was perplexed by looking at the diagram and seeing morality mentioned twice there, then finding no discussion of morality or ethics at all in the article as it's currently written. Maybe someone who knows Maslow's work can introduce something on morality and how it fits into his scheme.Joel Russ (talk) 00:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

You surely cannot be right to put insurance policies and employment in safety? Unilateral authority? People can be fulfilled in a dictatorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.87.191 (talk) 20:37, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Business
The entire Business section is dubious. The quote in the second sub-section is unrelated to Maslow's hierarchy; any connection is undue synthesis. If legitimate citations can be found, perhaps this section can be saved. If not, then let's just get rid of it. It adds little to the article, as is. 24.45.42.125 (talk) 11:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 June 2012
In the section about physiological needs, there really should be mention of drugs of dependence or unumanageable habits.

I have not had the opportunity to be published but I have a strong interest in the implications of maslows hierarchy and its ability to explain social phenomena related to physiological needs outside the nice and obvious ones.

Jezzur (talk) 05:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Jezzur! Could you please specifically indicate what you would like to be changed, as mentioned in the box above? Thanks! Rotorcowboy $talk contribs$ 05:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, please remember that content needs to be verifiable. We can't accept original research; publication in a reliable source is a must. Rivertorch (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. TOW  talk  08:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 July 2012
I am requesting that the section on business be removed.

It has been tagged as lacking citations for over two years, and the one citation it has is not directly related to the subject, which makes it a violation of WP:UNDUE.

If we can't write anything that's accurate and well-cited on this sub-topic, we shouldn't mention it at all.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.42.125 (talk) 21:44, 5 July 2012‎ (UTC)
 * I think it just needs refs. Unfortunately, I no longer have access to my psychology, management, or marketing texts.  —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   22:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's needed refs for more than two years. If there's really anything to be said about Maslow's hierarchy and business, why can't anyone find citations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.42.125 (talk) 01:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done It's a reasonable request. The section does appear to be based on original research, and some of the wording is problematic. It will be easy enough to restore if sources are found. Rivertorch (talk) 04:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. --Greenmaven (talk) 06:31, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. To be clear, I fully support restoring this section if it's based closely on reliable sources. 24.45.42.125 (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

A strange omission
"Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans."

Strange to have bypassed the proper elimination of waste, something even a very young cat observes. Isn't that a sign of times, to have negected so long that the elimination of waste was a basic need without which we cannot hope to survive ? 08:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.27.88 (talk)
 * In fact, three among the 9 or so metabolic systems are designed to eliminate waste : urinary, excretory and respiratory (elimination of CO2 shared here with inhalation of oxygen). So really no reason to bypass them. 82.226.27.88 08:10, 26 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.27.88 (talk)

Interwiki
this article also exist in Pashto language. can anyone add Pashto in the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.105.16 (talk) 16:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Regards the study done post Persian War I:
Stress levels will be different in the US & the Gulf because the war was waged in the Gulf, not in the USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.123.44 (talk) 04:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Psych 2410A at Kings 2012
I have decided to edit this page for psych 2410a kings university Jenn1967 (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome!  Lova Falk     talk   19:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And welcome to KassandraRoyer (talk) too!  Lova Falk     talk   19:08, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Psych 2410A Plan
To better this particular Wikipedia page, I plan to add more information from a peer-reviewed article, fix any spelling and grammar mistakes, add any necessary citations, and clarify any confusion that may result from improper terminology, etc. I will update this talk page once I have more information collected from an empirical article. KassandraRoyer (talk) 23:38, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kassandra

I'm pleased that you have already completed the article summary. Its pretty good so far. See if you can add a little more precision about what exactly they assessed, what age groups were involved, and things like that-this will help your reader make an independent assessment. Then go ahead and post this on the actual article. Paul Conway, Instructor, Introduction to Child Development, Fall 2012, King's University College Canada 02:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauljosephconway (talk • contribs)

Edit request on 3 November 2012
There is a word missing in one of the sentences that then makes the whole sentence not make any sense. The part i am referring to is under the sub title, Self-actualization, and the error is in the forth line down and immediately after the eighth word "However, this a broad definition....." should be changed to "However, this is a broad definition....." thank you for your time.

Rhydt123 (talk) 23:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done RudolfRed (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request on 2012-11-06
Under Esteem, there is a word missing. "they may feel the need seek fame or glory." should be "they may feel the need to seek fame or glory."

✅ Thank you for telling us! Lova Falk    talk   16:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Sex, a physiological need?
Why is sex included in the physiological need section? There's no source to back it up. I've checked several sources about this topic and none mentioned sex as a physiological need. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 03:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that sex is appropriate for inclusion in the physiological-needs section, although that inclusion should be sourced. What sources have you found that exclude it? All the best,  Miniapolis  ( talk ) 15:16, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not how things work around here. If there's no source to back it up, we remove it. If someone does find a source, we can add it. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 15:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In the section Criticisms, the last sentences, it says: "Maslow’s hierarchy places sex in the physiological needs category along with food and breathing..." These sentences have two references, one of them available online, saying: "he placed “sexual needs” down at the bottom— along with hunger and thirst". So the answer as to why sex is included in the physiological need section is: because Maslow put it there. This article is about his hierarchy.   Lova Falk     talk   15:45, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This article has huge chunks missing inline citations. That's the larger problem this issue is part of. Also, why did you remove sex from "Love and belonging" section? Maslow states in his own paper "Love and affection, as well as their possible expression in sexuality" in the "love needs" part of the hierarchy. So it would make sense to mention sexual expression in that section. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 15:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Because I -obviously erroneously- understood from the criticism section "Maslow’s hierarchy places sex in the physiological needs category along with food and breathing" + "This view of sex neglects the emotional, familial, and evolutionary implications of sex within the community" that Maslow did not include sex in the love and affection part. My bad! I'll revert it. Thank you for telling me. Face-smile.svg  Lova Falk     talk   17:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I think this specific issue is resolved now. I've added citations in several places, but I'm not sure if using Maslow's paper as a source is appropriate, considering it is probably a primary source. Oh well. -- FutureTrillionaire (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If Maslow said it in his paper (which he did) it is appropriate to state that he said it in his paper, but not to comment on what that means. However, with something this big, it should be pretty easy to find a secondary source that discusses it. ReformedArsenal (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * So why has the pyramid graphic now been altered such that it is no longer consistent with the primary source? --72.79.230.226 (talk) 05:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

This issue has not been resolved at all, as far as I can tell. The last challenge remains unanswered: Why is the image presented attributed to a source that does not mention sex as a physiological need? I agree that the issue is not whether sex is or is not a physiological need; this particular issue isn't even whether Maslow claimed it as such. The issue here is that the image presented is not substantiated by the referenced source. If I knew how to substitute Futuretrillionaire's image, the one that doesn't unsourcedly include sex as a physiological need, I would. As it is, I'm tempted to remove the image, hoping someone else will come along and either insert the image of the pyramid that does not include sex as a physiological need, or change the reference to one that supports the image that does include it.

On the image page, Binksternet's comment was, "Sex is of course listed as one of Maslow's hierarchy of needs." It is not listed, in the source provided for the caption to the image, as a physiological need, and thus has no business being in the bottom row of the pyramid. -- Everything Else Is Taken (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Sex is discussed repeatedly and in detail in Maslov's 1943 source which is cited for its use in this article. Are you saying that you want that source linked in the image caption? 71.215.72.19 (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 February 2013
Please, change 'Maslow used the terms Physiological, Safety, Belongingness and Love, Esteem, and Self-Actualization needs to describe the pattern that human motivations generally move through' to 'Maslow used the terms Physiological, Safety, Belongingness and Love, Esteem, Self-Actualization and Self-Transcendence needs to describe the pattern that human motivations generally move through', because Maslow in his books talks about Zen, LSD, metamotivations and all these kind of things, so he in his books refers to Self-Transcendence and the mystical aspects of the human being. Thanks.

Mi.an.delatorre (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Dianna (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

"and Self-Transcendence"
There is supposed to be 5 levels and the list has 6. What is "and Self-Transcendence " doing there. It should be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amtec2000 (talk • contribs) 10:30, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You are quite right! I removed it for you.  Lova Falk     talk   10:40, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Edit request on 14 March 2013
Under the criticism section Bridwell is mis-typed as Brudwell in the first sentence.

Sputala (talk) 16:44, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Minor edit only. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Maslow's Hierarchy of needs including Pre-potency, Satiation and Extinction. (Help edit)
In the Hierarchy of needs, Abraham Maslow illustrates patterns which humans identify as basic needs. The templates of the triangle begin from the base of the triangle to the top. In the begging, as human beings, we will principally search for our Physiological needs that help us satisfy the priorities for our strictly demanded needs. Moreover, meeting the expectations of our dominant needs we will then continue to focus on the Safety needs as the next level of importance when we show ourselves as protectant guardians towards family members or ourselves. Love and belongingness will take us to the road for wanting fellowship with another person trying to avoid being lost in our unpleasant emotional response to isolation. When we enable ourselves to be in a stage of comfort of feeling appreciated by others or by the things we apply ourselves to embracing Self-esteem. Likewise, people have the Need to know and understand their surroundings braking into their own curiosity in desire of grasping inside the mind with certainty. When they get to Esthetic needs it’s the time span when they are tired of looking at unpleasant areas of an environment that is definitely aimed on changing their appearance searching for beauty. When we accomplish our own Self-actualization of what our final goal was in life filling our desires in all the way through based on the Hierarchy of need by the way fulfill all achievements we envisioned to accomplish in order to no longer become archaic.

In order to reach our Pre-potency needs to be entirely fulfilled, we have to accede on sacrificing primary goals before we meet our top satisfaction. Once we completed our Pre-potency needs, we can now move on to our Satiation of needs which demonstrated that we are now filled with the requirements we discovered. If we were to have the Extinction of needs involved inside the levels of Pre-potency, then there would be no Satiation, satisfaction, or safety needs since it would possibly end up as morality starting with the lack of basic requirements which are Psychological needs.

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Preconditions of the Basic Needs and Additional Information on Abraham Maslow's Concept of Self-Actualization
I think that the preconditions of the basic needs described by Abraham Maslow in chapter 2 of Motivation and Personality should be added to this article. These preconditions, or "immediate prerequisites," include freedom and cogitative capacities.

One must have the "freedom to speak, freedom to do what one wishes so long as no harm is done to others, freedom to express oneself, freedom to investigate and seek out information, freedom to defend oneself, justice, fairness, honesty, and orderliness" in order to be able to satisfy their basic needs. Without these freedoms, satisfaction of the basic needs is nearly impossible, or at the very least endangered.

One must also have cognitive capacities, such as perception, intellect, and the ability to learn, in order to satisfy the basic needs. Cognitive capacities are "a set of adjustive tools," which have many functions, one of which includes satisfying our basic needs.

Danger to these freedoms and/or the blocking of the free use of cognitive capacities, indirectly threatens the basic needs and the potential satiation of them.

I also think that some additional information should be added to the section about self-actualization in this article. In Abraham Maslow's book, The Farther Reaches of Human Nature, eight methods of self-actualization are described.

1. "Experiencing without the self-consciousness of the adolescent".

2. Making growth choices instead of fear choices.

4. Being honest and taking responsibility.

5. Deciding "what is constitutionally right" for one’s self.

6. "Using one's intelligence . . . and working to do well the thing that one wants to do".

7. Discovering what one is through "peak experiences".

8. "Opening oneself up to himself"/"resacralizing".

Cboasen123 (talk) 23:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi im thinking about making a edit to this article
According to Poston, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs also depends on how early life experiences of a child's life can affect there hierarchy of needs and how they are able to meet there needs. If a child has good life experince in their childhood then the individual will excel at reaching self-confidence and self-esteem at a higher and faster rate. On the contrary if a child has bad life experience when growing up then the individual will reach self-confidence and self-esteem at a slower rate or they may never reach it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PSYC100 Sarai (talk • contribs) 22:53, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 * According to my life experience one who lost approval and acceptance by families friends and society live his or her life in the negative side of the Hierarchy find it difficult or obviously impossible to change to the positive side. In this case it doesn't matter whether that child (person) has good life experience, reaching the higher levels of achievement but if he choose the negative side, all his achievement will be lost forever — Preceding unsigned comment added by  114.142.226.134 (talk • contribs) :10:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sharing, but these Talk pages are not discussion groups, but are meant to help improve the articles. Personal anecdotes can not be used in Wikipedia articles unless they are cited by a WP:RS and meet other criteria. Lentower (talk) 16:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Ashleydf (talk) 23:42, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Prepotency and Satiation meanings related to Maslow's theory of Hierarchy of needs
Prepotency is mostly the main dominance of having more power, impact, or force, for example, in cases of mixed ethnicity where one ethnicity if known to be dominant over the other like "Americans say to be more dominant over African Americans." For example when you are hungry and you then get tide up with your hands behind your back and a bag over your head your hunger will seize with the lust for breathable air and your hunger motive disappears completely, it is not that the hunger motive vanishes of existence. It is simply that that the need for air is the more urgent for your immediate physical well-being it is more clamorous. The hunger motive is still alive even stronger than it was before the plastic bag was presented, only now it is masked by another motive that is more prepotent. It now waits invisibly behind the need for survival waiting for its next chance to come to center stage, which it does with full force once the more prepotent motive is satisfied. Not only is it as alive and strong as it was before, but it is also as basic and built-in more intense than before. The fact that it can be eclipsed by a more prepotent motive does not mean it is merely secondary and derivative. It is every bit as intrinsic as the motive for breathable air. The only difference is that, when both motives are calling for satisfaction at the same time, it is the latter of Maslow's Hierarchy of needs that take priorities. Satiation practically means the satisfaction of a need by fulfillment of that desire or need, likewise a short-term wanting of a desire efficacy after it has been presented repetitively demanding to be responded. Satiation makes you want food less or not at all, or it also has the power of making food less reinforcing or not at all as well. Moreover, it suppresses behaviors that have in the past resulted in food consequently. When there is food deprivation, the same food make it a reinforcement for the body and will evoke going to the refrigerator constantly. On the other hand, when there is food satiation it makes food less reinforcing and suppresses going to the refrigerator.

"What is prepotency?" Psychology dictionary. "n.d." Web. 13 June, 2013. Lowry, Richard. "A.H. Maslow's Vision of Human Nature." A new look at the everyday reality of human motivation. 1999. Web. 13 June, 2013. "What is satiation?" Psychology dictionary. "n.d." Web. 13 June, 2013. Olson. "Unit 3: Motivation. Motivation according to Skinner. "n.d." Web. 13 June, 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art 100 Sarai (talk • contribs) 07:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Self-Transcendence
I notice that this article only has a brief mention of self-transcendence (mentioned as being at the top with self actualization). While traditional teachings of Maslow's Hierarchy of needs focus only on the range of basic needs to self actualization, Maslow later revised the pyramid to indicate that self-actualization led to self-transcendence, thus shifting the focus away from oneself. Maslow argued this distinction as an important one, as self-actualization and personal experience was not necessarily a sustainable motivator, and that the desire to help others became another motivator.

Granted, many professors still teach Maslow's hierarchy without self-transcendence, thus it may be beneficial to keep the current image and model. However, I think at least a section needs to be added which addresses Maslow's later revisions to the pyramid, as well as an image with the updated model that has self-transcendence at the top over self-actualization. 2001:468:C80:4330:9A1:9DED:1E4:93D0 (talk) 18:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * If you can cite references that meet WP:RS etc., feel free to add your proposed section. Though, I suggest that you keep the present triangle where it is, and add the new one in the new section.  The one that is widely known needs to be included in this or any encyclopedia. Lentower (talk)

This would be the proposed change (I can't edit the page because I'm an unregistered user and have left in citations in lieu of footnotes):

In later years, Maslow suggested possible changes to the hierarchy, specifically in regard to Self-Transcendence. Maslow defined Transcendence as “behaving and relating, as ends rather than means, to oneself, to significant others, to human beings in general, to other species, to nature, and the cosmos (Citation 1).” Maslow began to believe that there were two types of self-actualzing individuals: those who self- actualized without transcendent experiences, and those who did (Citation 2). In fact, while self-actualization was largely considered a self-focused process, Maslow observed that self-actualizing individuals often tended to forgo their own personal concerns (Citation 3). As Maslow considered self-actualization as primarily a self-focused process, and self-transcendence as primarily a relational process, he argued the two concepts could be separate. Furthermore, he posited that self-transcendence would be at the top of the hierarchy, as self-actualization tended to precede self-transcendence (Citation 4). However, the discussion self-transcendence has largely been ignored, with Maslow’s original model being the one that is primarily cited and taught(Citation 5).

Citation 1:

Citation 2:

Citation 3:

Citation 5:

Citation 5:

2001:468:C80:4330:85C9:5EF4:FFD5:9251 (talk) 14:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Nice writing.


 * Inlining the citations with and  would be helpful.


 * With the protection status of this article I can't add this, unless I find the print publications, and check the citations. If you can add URLs to online versions, using Google Books, Google Scholar, etc., it would get this added  sooner rather than later.  Other resources to use:




 * - Lentower (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I cannot find an online version of Maslow's book. But here is a link to the Koltko-Rivera article. http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/gpr/10/4/302.pdf

I added the " " to the sources above, but am not sure if I did it properly: I've never edited an article before. 2001:468:C80:4330:85C9:5EF4:FFD5:9251 (talk) 17:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

If you are looking for a good article on Maslow and transdencence, may I suggest Mark Koltko-Revera (2006). Rediscovering the Later Version of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: Self-Transcendence and Opportunities for Theory, Research, and Unification, Review of General Psychology, 10(4): 302-317. It provides support for the notion that transcendence was important to Maslow, points to evidence in his corpus, and discusses some reasons why it was (and continues to be) ignored. Whoever is working on this article and wants to add the top level of transcendence to the hierarchy should track that article down. Here is a link to the abstract

http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2006-22547-002

Mike Sosteric PhD 15:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Sosteric (talk • contribs)

Incorrect ISBM
Please change citation 9 because the ISBM is incorrect. it should be 0887066208 Source found here Thank you.

Alpha194 (talk) 22:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 00:16, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

comma
"If these requirements are not met, the human body cannot function properly***,*** and will ultimately fail." This comma is not required because the joined clauses are not independent. They are verbal clauses.

167.142.50.202 (talk) 13:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done. Thanks. (Unfortunately, this error is very common on Wikipedia.) --Stfg (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

There should be a comma after management training in the following sentence... "Maslow's theory was fully expressed in his 1954 book Motivation and Personality.[5] While the hierarchy remains a very popular framework in sociology research, management training[6] and secondary and higher psychology instruction, it has largely been supplanted by attachment theory in graduate and clinical psychology and psychiatry.[7][8]"

167.142.50.202 (talk) 13:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: that would be a serial comma, which are optional under Wikipedia's Manual of Style. They are usually used in American English, but the situation is much more varied elsewhere. --Stfg (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Should not end a sentence with a preposition - end with "through which human motivations generally move."

"Maslow used the terms Physiological, Safety, Belongingness and Love, Esteem, Self-Actualization and Self-Transcendence needs to describe the pattern that human motivations generally move through."

167.142.50.202 (talk) 13:30, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: the alleged prohibition against prepositions at the end of sentences is a fallacy. Many style guides on both sides of the Atlantic debunk it. It's something up with which we have to put. --Stfg (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Maslow died in 1970. I studied this model in 1985. It now includes politically correct requirements to reach self-actualization
LOL.....The current political faction is rewriting history leaning everything towards political correctness.

I hate to break it to you people, but if you want everyone to accept everyone else then you're also going to have to accept Skinhead Racists are your equals as they have the right to their beliefs too and it's none of their faults they were raised to believe things the way they believe. There should also be a NAAWP.

Articles like these are hilarious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.101.172.248 (talk) 00:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you give an example of how the article is incorrect or be improved? Is the 'lack of prejudiced' the phrase you are taking issue with? Jonpatterns (talk) 20:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC)