Talk:Masonic Child Identification Programs

Links to the various programs
I normally do not huge lists of links to every possible website that relates to an article topic... especially when it comes to articles on organizations and their programs ... but in this case I think we should. In part this article is a Public Service article... a place where people can go to find more information on a needed public service and where they can find out where the program will be run near their communities. Thus, I think we should list each and every jurisdiction that runs a CHIP program. That said... we can probably do so in an abreviated way... connecting the web site links to the name of the State... like this: We should also probably include links to any similar programs even if they are not run by the Masons. Especially if a non-Masonic program is up and running in a state the Masons don't cover. The idea is to help families and save kids, after all, and not to pump Masonry. Blueboar 18:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Masonic Child ID Programs are currently running in New York, Missouri, California, Massachusetts,... etc. etc."
 * A useful model would be articles for other charitable concerns, say, Oxfam. I don't see any problem with having both this (Masonic CHIP programs look a notable entity to me) and a broader article describing in less individual detail the general field of child recovery programs (AMBER Alert, Code Adam, etc).
 * Going with the Oxfam comparison, I don't think this article should list alternatives for states where there's no Masonic program. It'd be akin to listing alternative hunger charities in Oxfam for countries that don't have an Oxfam branch. It's not Wikipedia's job to be a public service directory (WP:NOT, and anyhow such information would be findable by going up a level to the more general child recovery article. Tearlach 18:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Valid point Blueboar 19:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Kids ID
I thought this was a franchise, though MasoniChip claims it was started by Masons in CA, MN, and so forth. However, as CA now has a CHIP program that's not "Kids ID", I'm going to venture a guess that it was a franchise, and it was used until CHIP was developed, and thus I'm not going to use MasoniChip's information regarding it, because it may no longer be an officially used program. I have had no luck on the brochure as of yet. MSJapan 17:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

For everyone?
I've read conspiracy theories that talk about expanding the chip to everyone on earth, a bit like vaccines. I'd bet there are plenty of criticisms and controversies already available for this. ADM (talk) 17:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That would make sense if this had something to do with computer chip implants, but it doesn't. Maybe if you had actually taken 30 seconds to read the article you would know what was actually involved in the process instead of just coming to a conclusion based on an acronym. MSJapan (talk) 19:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That has to be the most amusing post I have read in a while... chips for everyone! HA! Actually, the Grand Lodges should have known the tinfoil hat types would misinterpret this one when they created the acronym. Makes you wonder what other programs we could come up with that would spell out buzz words for the paranoid, or would make fun of people who see conspiracies where ever they look. Blueboar (talk) 23:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, the conspiracy theorists have already run away with this one. You get intimations that somehow tracking / controlling devices are being covertly implanted. Saxophobia (talk) 18:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Abbreviation
Shouldn't it be ChIP? It's odd to uppercase a letter that doesn't begin a word... eh well. Tyciol (talk) 16:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Every CHIP program uses the same abbreviation, and it is CHIP in all caps. MSJapan (talk) 16:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Regularity
Would I be correct to presume this is a program run by Regular Masonic jurisdictions of the England-descended variety rather than France's? I wouldn't guess they'd work together even on something good like this so it would be good to specify whose project it is. Tyciol (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering that it's a US-based program, and in the US French descended Freemasonry is very minimal, I don't see a need for a clarification to be made at this point. Additionally, as the CHIP websites are part of Grand Lodge websites, it should be fairly obvious on further inquiry as to who is doing what. MSJapan (talk) 17:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was moved to Masonic Child Identification Programs per WP:TITLE. There is a clear consensus for removal of the parenthetical. No clear consensus for changing capitalization or other aspects of the title. bd2412 T 18:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Masonic Child Identification Programs (CHIP) → Masonic Child Identification Programs – Only article titled "Masonic Child Identification Programs", so there is no need for disambiguation. In addition, it is standard practice not to have alternative names in parens. Jenks24 (talk) 05:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks completely uncontroversial to me -- why'd you move it back? -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 06:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Because objected to it (see Wikipedia talk:Requested moves). Quoting from WP:RM, "If any of the following situations applies to the requested move, it should be treated as controversial ... Someone could reasonably disagree with the move". Someone has made a good faith objection to the move, so it should go through a full discussion. Jenks24 (talk) 07:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Missed that, sorry. Thanks for explaining. Support move. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - Title change conforms with WP:MOS. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the commonly used title for this program varies from state to state: [MYCHIP, CTCHIP, and so forth. The AfD associated with [[MOCHIP]] a few years ago supported a redirect to MasoniCHIP.  As can be seen, the commonly used term (see WP:COMMONNAME) is not "Masonic Child Identification Programs", but rather some variation on "CHIP".  That is what parents call it, that is what Masons call it, that is what advertising and media call it.  If that qualifier is not there, no one will know what it is, and we can't just call it CHIP as an umbrella term because it is not consistent from state to state. MSJapan (talk) 15:45, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What a user searches for, and what the title of the article is do not have to be the same thing. that's what redirects are for. There should be whatever redirects are needed for the searcher to find the article, but the article's title should be the best one possible. The disambiguating parenthetical is not needed; the searcher isn't going to type in the whole title, with or without the parenthetical. The most likely result is that the searcher will type in the name of their local program and get redirected to this article. Since the parenthetical isn't needed to clarify the title, it should be removed. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:TITLE.--ukexpat (talk) 16:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - just to try to clarify confusion... There is no such thing as THE "Masonic Child Identification Program" or "CHIP"... instead, we have several separate programs independently run and organized by different Masonic Grand Lodges ... each is slightly different, and each program has its own "official" name (usually incorporating the acronym "CHIP" somewhere in the title)... That said, all of them can be described as being "Masonic child identification programs" (note the capitalization, please). In other words, if we keep the current wording, this should be seen as a descriptive title, not a proper name title.  However, I think there is an even better choice ... I Propose that the best title would actually be: "Child Identification Programs (Masonic charity)".   Blueboar (talk) 22:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


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