Talk:Masortim

Translated from Hebrew Wikipedia --Midrashah (talk) 12:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Plural of Minhag
Throughout the article, the word "minhag" is pluralized as "minhags," however it should be minhagim, in accordance with Hebrew language grammar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.153.17 (talk) 06:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Correct. Debresser (talk) 08:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅, and a few other small improvements also. Debresser (talk) 08:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Re-adding Category:Mizrahi Jews topics. it is only for Mizrahi Jews
This is a message for user:Debresser. It is only for Mizrahi Jews. I wrote this article and I live in Israel. read what I wrote --Midrashah (talk) 09:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * And I too live in Israel. As to your argument that "I wrote this article", see wp:own.
 * Mizrahi Jews are "Jews from mostly Arab-ruled geographies". While anybody, including e.g. Ashkenazi Jews can be Shomer Masoret. Debresser (talk) 13:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've seen that you yourself have re-added the Category:Mizrahi Jews topics, so there is no argument anymore. Thank you Debresser. --Midrashah (talk) 20:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I re-added Category:Jewish religious movements, not Category:Mizrahi Jews topics. Debresser (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Jewish religious movements - is wrong (this is not a movenment!)

 * I see now that you added "Category:Jewish religious movements"- which is wrong - see what I wrote in the article, in under The Traditionalist and Tradition Keeper distinguishing qualities: (quote): "The Masoratiim are not a definitive type of Judaism (since it is based on a self-definition phenomenon, rather than an organized movement), ".

This is not a movement. (no headquarters or leading rabbis etc.) it is a term commonly used for people to describes themselves in reference to their practice of religious. I suggest you remove that category. --Midrashah (talk) 20:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Even if it is not organized, it is still a movement. Perhaps the category name "Jewish religious movements" would be a little more correct if it were something like "Jewish religious denominations", but such a name doesn't exist, and "Jewish religious movements" fulfills that function. Debresser (talk) 22:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Terrible Writing
This article needs a major re-write. Sentences like the following, for example, should make any fan of elegant English prose cringe:

"Usually, the Shomrei Masoret observe a number of minhagim and several basic Religious commandments (out of 613 Mitzvot), that are accounted as the several most recognizable symbols of the Jewish Tradition, and in doing so, they express their affinity to the Jewish People, and especially their will to continue their family's immemorial religious customs and traditions, as they maintain that there is a need to preserve the immemorial Traditional Values and customs, in order to guard the continuity of the existence of the Jewish People, and to the extant that at times the observance of traditions, minhagim and family customs become stronger than religious observance. "

One sentence, ten clauses, repetition of the same ideas over and over again. There is much like this in the rest of the article.

Moreover, the article has *no* citations whatsoever and is entirely anecdotal in nature. "Some do this..." and "Some do that..." No citations at all.

CharlesMartel (talk) 15:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)CharlesMartel