Talk:Mass Effect 2/Archive 1

Plot Summary
I just updated the plot summary with the complete game summary, making allowances to make it as general as possible so that it could accurately describe your typical playthrough. I slapped a note on the top pointing out its a non-linear game and that the chronology of major events may differ (might be worth making that a template as these types of games become more common?). One thing is missing - I can't remember when you go on the Collector Ship, so for now its excluded entirely (along with the corresponding major story revelation).

Thankfully, ME1 has very little influence on ME2 so anybody's concerns about diverging plotlines are unwarranted. 216.123.208.58 (talk) 23:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * How is this a non-linear game? -- Esuzu ( talk  •  contribs ) 19:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

':: This part in the plot section is not entirely accurate, "Shepard's hand is forced - Shepard can either complete secondary missions and sacrifice the Normandy's crew, or immediately go through the Omega-4 relay to rescue them.''" One can do all of the secondary (loyalty) missions and still save the crew. All one has to do is all of the loyalty missions first before ever acquiring/doing the IFF mission on the derelict Reaper where one can acquire Legion. You can then do Legion's loyalty mission right after that and still be able to save all of the Normandy's crew from the Collectors. Tom C. 10:31, 21 October 2010 (UTC) ''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommy6860 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Once your crew is taken, then if you continue doing loyalty missions, then more of your crew will die. So in that sense, you are forced to make a decision. Yes, you can continue doing loyalty missions after the Suicide mission. Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  14:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No, you misunderstood what I stated. I didn't say after the Suicide Mission. I said you can do the all of the loyalty missions and still save the Normandy crew. One just has to do the IFF mission absolutely last after all of the other loyalty missions, then immediately do the Legion's loyalty mission right after the IFF mission to be able to save the whole crew. Tom C. 17:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommy6860 (talk • contribs)
 * I use "squad" to refer to your 10 squadmates, and "crew" to refer to the Normandy crew, which includes Joker and Dr. Chakwas. Also, you don't even need to complete all loyalty missions to save your squad, in that case. Just complete a few, then choose those squadmates for leadership roles when necessary, during the Suicide mission. Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  17:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you do need to do the loyalty missions or those squadmates will not live, even if you have all of the Normandy upgrades. Even if you use the proper mate for leadership aspects of that mission, they will die is they are not loyal. I understand to what "crew" and "squadmates" refer. I was simply clarifying that the article made an absolution about crew being saved by not doing some loyalty missions, which isn't true. Tom C. 17:52, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't need to do all the loyalty missions before the Suicide mission for your entire squad to survive. You only need to complete the loyalty missions for squadmates who you choose to perform the critical tasks such as going through the vents or leading the Fire team. Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  18:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * First of all, you got off course here regarding the claim that one has no choice as per the article that you either save the crew and not do loyalty missions, or you complete the missions and the crew dies, which I explained is not true. You did not address that part, but went off on this now. Since you now added this aspect, I will say you are completely wrong. I have played this game through on all classes, a few of them twice or more. I have had just about every ending you could achieve so I can carry them over into Mass Effect 3. If you have all loyalty mission complete, but no ship upgrades, Jack will die trying to get to the collector base. If you have loyalty on the non-leadership roles only, they others will die. If the leadership roles have no loyalty, they will die. If the leadership group has loyalty and the non-leadership doesn't, the non-leadership will die and the leadership will live. See what I mean?

Tom C. 04:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommy6860 (talk • contribs)


 * So you're saying that all squad members need to have loyalty to survive, which is not true. Only those that you choose for leadership roles without loyalty will die, and yes you will lose one squad member for each ship upgrade that you do not install. Gary King  ( talk  ·  scripts )  18:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Sequel?
Is it really necessary to mention Mass Effect 3 at this stage? Mass Effect 2 is still so early into development that not a single preview about it exists, let alone screenshots. There is a distinct possibility that once 2 is released, then 3 may still never be made despite what the developer says now. A lot can happen over a year or two, we can't count on a third game being made until it is announced to be in development. Sure, the developers have stated the series would be a trilogy, but Gears of War is a projected trilogy as well and you don't see a section on the third game anywhere. If no one opposes, I plan to remove the sequel section on this article completely. It can be readded whenever a third Mass Effect is confirmed (probably a year or two from now); leaving it in is just jumping the gun, and probably speculation. -- Comandante    { Talk }  18:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and remove it. It is already added at Mass Effect.--SkyWalker (talk) 18:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Comandante    { Talk }  18:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to re-add the section, but I feel I should point out that the logic "there might never be a Mass Effect 3" is pure crystalball-ism. As it currently stands, the facts say that there will be one; or more accurately, that there are plans to make one. This article should reflect those facts, not speculation as to how those facts might change over time. --81.158.148.240 (talk) 19:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well... it all depends on how Mass Effect 2 ends up having in it. If they end up having Shepard go into this "enemy" (Reaper) territory in ME2, then there might not be a third game. If ME2 does NOT have you play in the territory, then they will need to make ME3 in order to complete this story and to please the Mass Effect fans (like myself). But, you are right, we don't need the ME3 section. At least, not yet. But, if ME3 does come out, I would re-add or re-make the section if I were you. Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 21:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, X-Play had said that BioWare was making Mass Effect into a trilogy back before the first game came out, and they still are sticking with it with that Shepard only gathers his, team before going into enemey territory, which I bet is where Mass Effect 3 will pick up from. (I JUST CAN'T WAIT!!!)
 * Did you have to restart this topic? -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 21:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

This is now a moot point. Several 'data' screens in the released product now refer to a putative Mass Effect 3 already in production. Does anyone really think Mass Effect 2 will be a commercial failure or that either Bioware or EA will suffer some sort of critical financial situation between now and its release? --Apolloin (talk) 06:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Rumors section
The rumors section is based on patently ridiculous garbage that someone posted on a video game forum, the original post of which doesn't even exist anymore, apparently. Does this meet any kind of quality standard? 66.253.84.254 (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I mean, it's fun to read if you're a fan of the game, but this is an encyclopedia. Shapeshift1 (talk) 23:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I also agree. Oddly, whoever added it said they're not rumors because they have a source, but the source specifically says they are rumors. Some of them sound reasonable, but a lot make no sense. The list as a whole is not well written, and it's also copy-pasted entirely from the source article. So I'd definitely say it should be gone. 206.174.229.9 (talk) 04:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. Rumors are not evidence, facts. There is only room for facts in a encyclopedia. Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Release dates
Can we stop posting made up release dates? Until a verifiable source gives one, there is no date. Amazon, IGN, Electronics Boutique, and others like that make up release dates to sell games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.113.41 (talk) 21:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Replaced speculative Dec 31, 2009 with "TBA". 216.164.56.122 (talk) 17:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone put "Q4 2009" on the page. Anyone have any supporting information for this date? Achilles2.0 (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * EA announced it would be Q4 of 2009, making it between Jan. 2010 & March 2010. 78.147.111.35 (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Finally released on January 26th 2010. --Apolloin (talk) 06:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

multi platform
should we mention that EA said the game is going to be muti platform and if so what consoles should we mention as possible ones ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.83.89 (talk) 04:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * made a note in the article about the "multiplatform" comment, however we can't speculate what platforms those will be. – xeno  ( talk ) 15:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that "multiplatform" means the XBox360 AND PC. --Luis1972 (talk) 18:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Luis1972. A PS3 release is unlikely given the lack of one for the original game. It would make the PS3 gamers confused, especially if the sequel relies on your choices from the original to form the world. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Multi-Platform doesn't mean PS3
So far, as our sources indicate, BioWare/EA has only confirmed Xbox 360 and PC as the platforms for the game. There has been no comment on a PS3 release. It has not been confirmed or denied. Until this changes, I see no need to add additional information into the article about a PS3 release. If anyone has a reason for it, please feel free to share.Rowdyoctopus (talk) 03:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay then, but was the first one released on PS2 or (even though I very much doubt it) PS3?.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Mass Effect was on Xbox 360 only, then after a few months it received a PC release.  It was also published by Microsoft Studios (which is probably the main reason why).  This one will be published by EA, which has led to rampant, speculative, PS3 rumors.  Since EA/BioWare has officially commented on the PS3 by saying "No Comment," I see no reason to include it.  Please don't see me as condescending.  I have been told I come off that way.  I am definitely open to discussion, we just need to provide reasons for adding PS3 to the platform list, or even for writing about it in the article and right now I do not see any.  Rowdyoctopus (talk) 18:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Do we really need two discussion sections for the same topic? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The other discussion doesn't address my concern, and since people had been editing PS3 into the article, I thought a new section was appropriate. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Odd. I could have sworn that someone other than myself had mentioned the PS3 in that section. Should someone change one of the titles to save any confusion? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done Rowdyoctopus (talk) 07:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This should do for now. – xeno  ( talk ) 19:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * BioWare said it was going to basicly be a Microsoft esclusive (X360 and PC) at E3. They did the same for ME1. I would not expect them to extend it to other platforms. Well, at least before they release it in 5 to 8 months from now. (Jan-Mar 2010) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Kirby XIII (talk • contribs) 22:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * the PS3 version has been announced. A PS3 trailer has been released on the PSN network. Not sure where this fits into the article but it should go in there somewhere. :P Savre (talk) 22:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Geth at the end of the trailer
The Geth is WEARING N7 armour, not carrying a corpse with N7. Stop editing it!--Denmon0728 (talk) 20:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no way to prove either way without a source. Both sides have valid points.  Watching the video many times personally, I still find it difficult to decide one way or the other.  Rowdyoctopus (talk) 08:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * After playing ME1 more lately, and studying the Geth models, I have to admit the Geth in the trailer is likely wearing the armor. IGN seems to think so too.  I am going to change the article, making it say it appears the Geth is wearing the armor, though BioWare has not confirmed this.  Unless someone has a source on BioWare confirming... Rowdyoctopus (talk) 07:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you studied the geth models, I presume you also noticed that the geth appear to have evolved once more (no geth model had a moveable... I don't know, crest is probably the best word, around their head in the first game). Should this be mentioned in the article? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 12:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't believe so. CGI videos for games tend to be more detailed than actual gameplay simply because they can handle more details.  For all we know the geth could always move that part (in the made-up ME universe), they were just unable to during the game due to engine and hardware limitations.  If the same changes are present in the actual game, then I think it would be worth noting.  Rowdyoctopus (talk) 19:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * True. *waits eagerly for gameplay video* --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just had a look at the original Mass Effect videos (the fully-rendered ones). In those, the geth heads didn't have crests. It's still speculation, but it does seem to lend weight to the argument that they've evolved. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Game Informer's article on the game shows a high res picture, and in it it looks like he wears a N7 shoulderpad, but nothing else. Nichos354 —Preceding undated comment added 06:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC).
 * Shepard was naked? Yikes! Fox will make a fuss over this. :P I'm not sure what you mean. Link? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, no I mean the geth at the end of the trailer, sorry for the confusion... nichos354 —Preceding undated comment added 00:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC).
 * Ah, that geth. It's been a while since I've seen it, I'll admit, but I think that it was wearing all the armour of a standard N7. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've now seen the picture in question. I think that's most likely concept art or something along those lines. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL! It would make sense that the geth evolvedlook at what was said in the first game alone about how they changed from their first creation/rebellion to the assault on the known galaxy! If their intellect and communications could "evolve", why not their looks?! Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The geth have evolved. The Codex states that the hopper breed were new and I doubt the quarians built Armatures or Colussi. The question is, have they evolved further? The answer is, it's not for Wikipedia to guess. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:56, 11 July 2009

as most of you might already know if u go to the wiki mini site they explain that a geth soldier as a team meet, and why havent we put the list of memebers as they begine to grow on the articul
 * We have on the List of characters in the Mass Effect universe page, but not here because there simply isn't enough known about them yet. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 11:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Shepard killed is a "red herring"?
The previous version stated that the trailer implying that Shepard was killed was likely a red herring, due to the recommendation to keep saved games. This is speculation; the saved games may only be needed for the decisions Shepard made, not necessarily for his/her stats. I reworded the sentence to indicate that there is uncertainty as to whether or not Shepard will be dead in ME2. Rainault (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies, that was my fault. I'm new to Wikipedia and that was my first ever edit. I hadn't considered that it would only be the decisions that were needed because, frankly, I would be surprised if BioWare didn't keep Shepard in. Sorry for having to make you reword my edit. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 15:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I took the red herring phrase out altogether. It is more slangish than anything.  I understand the implications of the phrase, but I would have trouble explaining it well to someone which is generally a good indication that there is a better way to say it.  Rowdyoctopus (talk) 07:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen the trailer shown at E3, and it actually shows some gameplay. Plus, G4TV also showed actual gameplay, too. In both, they were playing as Shepard. Shepard lasts for a while at least in this next game. (I hope they don't fricken kill him! He's the superhero of Mass Effect!) So, they most likely will use the stats and all from your old account. I wonder if they will extend the max Levels, my main from ME1 is already Level 57. IF they use your Levels, too. Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 21:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

References to development team
Does anyone know of another source, outside the forums, that says the same team that worked on ME1 is working on ME2? The forum post is from a BioWare rep, so it is legitimate, it would just look better if we had an outside source to confirm it. I have not been able to find any. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 09:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

no there are some different people working on mass effect 2 you can even see it when you play the game. although most people from ME1 did work on ME2. on a personall note I do prefer ME1 I think they put more work in the minor missons, and there was so much more weapons and armour, if anyone has a point why you think ME2 is better or if you agree with me please responde —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fragget (talk • contribs) 01:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

2009 GDC info in Marketing
Please stop inserting the paragraph about what people who attend the BioWare presentation at GDC will get to see. That paragraph is word for word what is in the IGN article. This is considered disruptive editing. If you feel the information is relevant and significant, then we need to re-word and summarize that paragraph, not copy and paste it. Personally, I feel that the information is more about BioWare than it is about Mass Effect 2 and would be better suited for the BioWare article. Please feel free to explain why you feel it should be included. Until then, any edits that merely add the same paragraph will be removed. Repeated attempts by the same editor will result in them being reported for disruptive editing. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 19:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Amazon
Is this really reliable information or merely speculation?

On March 23rd, 2009, a listing on Amazon seemingly revealed the plotline for Mass Effect 2[8]. The listing stated the following:

"The second chapter in the Mass Effect trilogy takes you to the darkest reaches of space, where you must uncover the mystery behind the disappearance of humans across many worlds. Prepare yourself for a suicide mission to save mankind. Travel the galaxy to assemble a team of soldiers and combat specialists, and launch an all-out assault on the heart of enemy territory."

My experience with Amazon et all says that they're not all that good at blurbs, especially if they appear to be the first to have it. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:VG/RS doesn't really help that much, but I would say no, not really reilable for this. – xeno  ( talk ) 13:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete then? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily as it is another source quoting from Amazon. Is it RS? – xeno  ( talk ) 14:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't say I've heard of the site, but it doesn't look like a major one from my thirty-second flick through. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably remove then... – xeno  ( talk ) 15:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say that it is reliable in the sense that it is what they leaked, but unreliable as to whether or not it is correct. If this was a situation where it was being included on a factual basis, but this is more allong the lines of a sidenote, and just make sure it is included as such (aka - the main point is the "leak", not the material of the leak).--Human.v2.0 (talk) 18:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Kotaku also covers the "leak," but I don't see how this is a leak. It doesn't provide any information that wasn't already known or speculated based on the direction of the last game and the novels.  Basically I am saying there is nothing profound or revolutionary in the information provided.  Add the dramatic touch that these types of things get to the info/speculation we have and you get this paragraph.  I am fine with leaving it there for now as I don't see how it could hurt anything.  Rowdyoctopus (talk) 19:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * CVG's also thrown in their two cents (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=211377). As to the information being nothing new, I think this is new: "Success - or failure - depends heavily on the crew you assemble and their loyalty to you and the mission." That seems to indicate something like KotOR II's Influence mechanic, something not in the original Mass Effect. Until more is known, I'd say it's speculation, but then I'm a n00b, what do I know? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 16:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

1) OXM AU reports that Shepherd is on a suicide mission. 2) Specialists, specialists of hacking, combat, etc...

So that would mean that the rest of the info is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.224.213 (talk) 05:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This topic is long closed. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Mass Effect 2 Co-op
I would suggest that, until solid proof develops, we regard any talk of co-op for Mass Effect as mere speculation. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 15:51, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

N7
I added a note about how N7 is the designation for elite special forces in the Systems Alliance military, as mentioned in the Codex in the first game, and therefore is not exclusive to Shepard. I kind of felt like it needed a citation, though, but wasn't sure how to add one (especially because I cannot access my Xbox and, therefore, Mass Effect and its Codex at this time). Can anyone add one? Hydrokinetic (talk) 23:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Mass Effect Wiki has a copy of the majority of the Codex entries, but it doesn't matter. I reverted your edit as I felt it was unneeded information. It never says that it was exclusive to him, just that he wore it. Besides, since the entire trailer is devoted to Shepard's military career, it's a pretty safe bet that the armour was his/hers, rendering your point moot. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm... Upon reflection, I agree that my edit was a bit strongly-worded, but I still feel like a note should be added, something along the lines of "N7 is the designation for elites special forces in the human military, and Shepard's armor bears the N7 logo." Keeping in mind Bioware's previous experience with throwing players for a loop (Knights of the Old Republic being a shining example) I don't think that it is a safe bet that the armor is Shepard's. The statement does imply that the armor is most likely his, and I think that a statement indicating that it may not be should be included. Hydrokinetic (talk) 09:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I presume your KotOR reference was about Malak's little surprise reunion with you? I saw that coming a mile away. It helps that I was told about a year before I played the game, but there were enough clues that I'm pretty certain I'd get it. I love a good conspiracy. The trailer probably has little to do with the game (it would be odd that they'd kill Shepard off, what with him/her having the beacon in his/her brain and all). I personally still don't think we need a note about N7 like that. I'll give it a brief edit attempt in a second. Tell me what you think. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Forget it. I can't think of anything. Here's what I drafted before deciding not to edit (the part in bold indicating something I was unsure about):


 * The camera then pans upwards to show the head of a Geth with armor bearing the N7 logo (part of the Systems Alliance Military Vocational Code, of which Shepard is a member, his default armour reflecting this) in front of it. It appears as though the Geth is wearing the armor, though BioWare has not confirmed this.


 * --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of the gaming community was actually shocked Malak's revelation, myself included, to the point where Game Informer ranked it the #2 plot twist of all time (right behind "wait- Samus is a GIRL?!). Digressions aside, it's a bit awkwardly worded, I think... how about "The camera then pans upwards to show the head of a Geth with armor bearing the N7 logo (part of the Systems Alliance Military Vocational Code and printed on Shepard's default armor) in front of it. It appears as though the Geth is wearing the armor, though BioWare has not confirmed this." Hydrokinetic (talk) 11:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I was partially surprised, I can't remember. But it is a great plot twist (not that this is the right place for such a conversation). I'm still not totally sure about the addition, but whatever, I'll add it. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Realase date on Amazon
Amazon says ME2 is going to be released on 31st October 2009. Is it a reliable enough source to write it in the article? Lampak (talk) 10:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * blinks* Where the hell do they get these release dates from? Seriously, does '2009' now read '2010'? By the way, this means 'no, it's not reliable.' By my understanding, it's never considered reliable. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Development Blog
However, in a developement blog, Casey Hudson, BioWare's Executive Producer, commented on the rumors of Shepard's "KIA" status, stating "Better not be. We had a lot of big plans made, so if someone’s gone and killed Shepard then things are going to take an unexpected turn… ".

Citation please. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

New Details
More information has been released for ME2, but they seem a bit too vague to add in right now. Should we wait until something more detailed appears? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Please tell me if this counts as spam people, it would be much apprecitated.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  12:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Lack of Normandy Weapons
I'm aware that this edit may not be the best as we try not to link to external wikis, but it's the only place I could find a citation for it. Since it's from a BioWare writer, I'm going to say that it's an acceptable and reliable source in this case. Comments? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Page formatting
WP:BRD engage. I personally feel that block quotes are appropriate for this particular article, given that we have quotes inserted in the middle of paragraphs. It's inconvenient to scan for quotation marks in a sea of "ref links ". --King ♣  Talk   17:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That may be true, but there are bound be several such lengthy quotes in an article which is largely based upon the exact words of the sources. Once we actually figure out more about the game, we can depend less on quotes and paraphrase more. I guess it doesn't really matter what we use in the long run, but I opposed it because of how I know to write. I've been taught repeatedly that block quotes are to be used in works of writing sparingly, and then only if the quote in question is greater than four lines in length. My old lit. teacher's lessons and textbooks may not apply here, but those are the grounds I base my opposition on. If Wikipedia allows such practices as yours anyway (transgressions of the sacred rules!!!) then go ahead and revert me, no harm done. -- Commdor    { Talk }  17:24, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. My english teacher taught 2 lines. I only made the edit to improve readability. I'll fish through the Manual of Style (LO, THE SACRED TOME) and see what it has to say. --King ♣   Talk   17:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * As per MOS:QUOTE, block quotes are limited to 4 lines (or a paragraph). Also, if it WERE to use a block quote, I apparently formatted it incorrectly =P --King ♣   Talk   17:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there you go, maybe I actually learned something meaningful last year. :) -- Commdor    { Talk }  18:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Cover art
Is that the real cover, or even an official placeholder? It has the European PEGI rating, and I want to know how a game being developed in Canada (which goes by ESRB ratings) already has the rating and cover art finalizd in europe. Don't we still have half a year before the game is even released? How can the European version be rated now? I say we go back to the logo and wait for the real art to be reveled by Bioware however long that might take. Also, isn't it preferred that the same cover as used by the region that made the game be used in video game pages? Like since this game is under development in North America, this page would use the official NA art, not PAL region art. Example, Killzone 2 was made in the Netherlands, so its article uses the European cover image. =/= Ironoclast (Talk) 18:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It came from Amazon. Are they reliable in this sort of scenario? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 11:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Usually online retailers like Amazon aren't even trusted for release dates. In some cases they do get a hold of cover art a few weeks before a game's release, but considering we have at least six months before that happens here, I'm a little wary. The official site doesn't even link to image. It might be best to go back to the logo until we're sure that this is the final cover. -- Commdor    { Talk }  17:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Bah! Its still is nice! And, maybe there was a leak and Europe was able to get alot of info to rate the game. There's a lot of other reasons too to explain the European rating. Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 21:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Whether it looks nice or not doesn't factor into it. If the cover isn't official, which may be the case, it shouldn't be used in the article. -- Commdor    { Talk }  22:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, solved that mystery. The devs have said they don't yet have the final art, so this can't be real. I guess it's back to the logo. -- Commdor    { Talk }  22:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The real cover art has been released 99.236.125.59 (talk) 22:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC) 


 * Not too different from the other image, but this time it's official, so that's good enough for me. I've added it to the article. -- Commdor    { Talk }  22:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It looked identical which was why I got rid of it. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

does anyone know who the girl behind shephard is? i havent seen realy anything on her —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.215.6 (talk) 21:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be Miranda, but you should probably be asking this on a forum, not here. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 21:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Collector's Edition
There has been absolutely zero news on the bioware forums regarding a collector's edition. Until some verifiable info is released I will take the section out of the main page.--99.185.49.1 (talk) 04:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I put it back in. Yes, I am also the one who put the citation needed tag on it. I think that it is very plausible that it's correct and the BioWare forums aren't the only source in the world it might have come from (and, indeed, the BioWare forums shouldn't really be anything but a last resort anyway). -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 08:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

New cover art
http://www.gametrailers.com/news/new-mass-effect-2-box-art/1568 And I thought the old art was the final version. 164.107.91.160 (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you seen one that just has the new box art? -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 00:38, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I took care of it. Found one here: Link =/= Ironoclast (Talk) 13:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Link didn't work for me. Are you sure it's right? -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 15:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed it, I didn't space the url from my sig, it should work now. =/= Ironoclast (Talk) 17:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now... does anyone know how to upload pictures? -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 17:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I already did the upload back when I posted this link, it is over the previous one since I was tight on time. Have you refreshed your browser's cache? =/= Ironoclast (Talk) 17:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I was just too thick to look at the article before I asked. (headdesk) -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 17:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what it's like. =/= Ironoclast (Talk) 18:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Should we mention something about all the negative reaction this cover art gets? Sources: http://meforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=709473&forum=144, http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/104/1046674c.html , http://www.gametrailers.com/news/new-mass-effect-2-box-art/1568 , http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/96189-Mass-Effect-2-Box-Art-Fails-to-Impress 194.78.37.122 (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * That's all forum stuff and opinion pieces. I don't think this wiki accepts that. 164.107.91.209 (talk) 03:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reviews are opinion pieces. Depending on the strength of the opinions, it might warrant a place in the article. But I'm getting the collector's edition so I don't care. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 03:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

PC specs announced
link 74.215.114.200 (talk) 20:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you muchly. Will add in a second. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 20:41, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Needs wikifying (adding in relevant internal links), but it's in the development section. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 20:53, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

In-game bonus items
I would like to include the Collector armor along with the pre-order bonuses and the Blood Dragon armor, as it is an in-game bonus item you won't get with every ME2 purchase. I know it's in the section immediately below, but it fits the bonus item description as well, and the BDA isn't a pre-order bonus but is in the section.

Also, the Collector armor improves both maximum health and health regeneration. If the error is still in there, I'll fix it when I add the external links for the videos.

-Grand Commander13 (talk) 22:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Game will run on 2 discs
http://meforums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=711031&forum=144&sp=30 Quoted from Chris Priestly's post on this thread:

"Ok some details for you.

1 - Yes, there are 2 game discs for both the PC and Xbox 360 versions, both the Collector's and standard editions.

2 - There is a 3rd disc with the Collector's Edition. This is a movie DvD containing making of and other bonus information.

3 - The PC version is a standard install. You install the information from both discs and then play with 1 disc in the drive. No swapping.

4 - The Xbox 360 does not have an install and does require disc swapping during play.

5 - Even though there is a disc swap, it occurs at a carefully planned place in the game (that does not interfere with gameplay) and is done once. You do not swap back and forth. 1 swap and then done.

6 - Why 2 discs? Answer: Because you cannot fit this much awesome on one disc." 164.107.91.97 (talk) 02:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea, I think people might like to know this. I'll make the edit, using the same format that Baldur's Gate 2 handles amount of discs.
 * -Grand Commander13 (talk) 02:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Intriguing... I wonder how they'll do the disc swap when you can do things in whatever order you like and the first game was different for everyone... very intriguing... Thanks for the information! -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 11:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This is entirely speculation on my part, but if I had to make a two-disk game with a single swap per play, I'd allow map and voice-chatter redundancy between the disks (whatever you can get to in the first half on Disk 1, whatever you can get to in the second half on Disk 2), but have all other assets (cutscenes, dialogue with plot characters, etc) only on the relevant disk. Essentially, after the first half of the game, you swap out dialogue you won't hear again and map files you can no longer access for the second half of the game. With no 360 install, I can't think of another way it could be done.  -- King Öomie  14:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Adam Baldwin
Adam Baldwin has confirmed to have voiced a character in this game, but unfortunately, I cannot cite the source because the link has been blacklisted by Wikipedia. What can I do to request for the removal of that ban (i.e. Examiner is currently blacklisted)?Dibol (talk) 03:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You can give the source here for a start. If it's physically stopping you from saving even this page, write "(dot)" instead of "." for instance. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 03:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the source: http://www(dot)examiner(dot)com/x-11363-Dallas-TV-Examiner~y2009m12d1-Exclusive-Adam-Baldwin-discusses-Chuck-video-games-and-Chevy-Chase Dibol (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... it seems like it probably is useful, though I'll wait for a second opinion. Follow the instructions given when you try to add the proper link and I'll check it out tomorrow (about to sleep) and see if you've done anything wrong. I'll add it to the article now in the hopes of gaining a better citation. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 04:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * All right, I'll let this sit for the time being. Thanks, Falcon.Dibol (talk) 04:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (Sigh) Unfortunately, after having read the MediaWikiTalks on both the global and local pages, looks like this source is officially a no-go.Dibol (talk) 05:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. It's on the article itself anyway, with a hidden note explaining that the source was bad. Someone will find something else soon. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 13:47, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Voice cast confirmed
http://pc.ign.com/articles/105/1053905p1.html

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/masseffect2workingtitle/video/6242706/mass-effect-2-voice-cast-reveal-video

IGN lists everything, and the GameSpot video tells more about the character roles. And Keith David does return, this time as "Councilman" Anderson. 74.215.114.200 (talk) 18:56, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Disc check citation
It says 'citation needed' now and I don't know how to include references. here's a link: http://meforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=710074&forum=144 194.78.37.122 (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks for bringing that tag to our attention.
 * -Grand Commander13 (talk) 20:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Plot spoilers in article
I think that the plot section of the article should be revised. It gives away too much about the intro to the game considering that it hasn't even come out yet. Does anyone else agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.243.2 (talk) 15:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, we don't. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. It should be obvious that details of the plot will be in the "Plot" section. Spoilers should not be removed in it. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 18:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Have a look at WP:SPOILER, which explains it all, hopefully. Ged  UK  19:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Jade falcon is right, plus they can't be spoiler if Bioware has already announced and talked about them. -- Larry MacDuff (talk) 01:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Reception?
I've been reading on the official BioWare ME forums, it's gone gold already, and it's already received awards and ratings. EX: Edge Magazine gave it 10/10 already. So, when is there going to be a reception section? -- Larry MacDuff (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Give me a source for the Edge Magazine one if they have a review on the web (if not, any review by IGN, CVG, GamesRadar etc would be good) and I'll set up a skeleton of a section for expansion. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 01:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, apparently the OP on the site was false, and was a troll.. But, I still think some reviews will be coming it soon. -- Larry MacDuff (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Bit Tech just gave it a 10/10 rating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.125.130 (talk) 23:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Source? -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 23:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Source. --Taelus (talk) 00:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I added that in now using the custom fields on the VG template, as its not a frequently used one with a short-cut. --Taelus (talk) 00:09, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Why isn't the truth media review up? http://www.somethingawful.com/d/truth-media-reviews/truthmedia-mass-effect.php It is a valid review by a respected site. -- Robert C —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.184.68 (talk) 19:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Possible plot error, potential spoilers.
This section could potentially have spoilers so this a warning.

Anyways, I was reading through the current main article's plot and I noticed it says Shepard asphixiates (sp?) and dies while drifting through space, well after reading a few articles regarding the first 90 minutes of gameplay it says that Shep gets a crack in his space suit, eventually runs out of oxygen, and then falls to a near planet while burning, finally when Cereberus finds him they see his flesh scattered around an area. here's the link http://www.bravenewgamer.com/2009/12/mass-effect-2-preview-first-hour-of-gameplay/ -- Larry MacDuff (talk) 17:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Character death
I took away the false information that you wouldn't be able to load a previous savegame after a certain ending of the game. That was clearly a misunderstanding of the phrase "permanent death".134.147.63.252 (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What it was meant to imply is what the source said (at least, I think it was that source, maybe have been replaced at some point). The death represents one where the character dies in story, not just because the player got them shot in the face one too many times. I'll see if I can reword it to make it clearer. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 02:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 02:15, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Heat Sinks.
I have read in OXM that heat sinks do not function the same as ammo clips in that they are necessary, what it states is that weapons can cool down like they used to BUT you can opt to eject a heat sink instead causing the weapon to instantly cool down providing a tactical advantage. I cannot link to a magazine article so when I added heat sinks in general to the article somebody replaced it with what is there now (I think the source for what is currently said uses the word "apparently" when it talks about heat sinks by the way) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.174.245.183 (talk) 20:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Use to cite a magazine. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds  02:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * They work as ammo clips, effectively. You cannot fire without them. Your ammo just reads as 0 and nothing happens if you try to fire. 67.49.132.203 (talk) 12:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Bioware waffled on this point several times. They ended up going with a system whereby every weapon has its own ammo (so emptying your sniper rifle won't empty your other weapons, etc) but collecting heat sinks grants ammo to all your weapons at once. -- King Öomie  14:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Cerberus Network
Most of this is right, but I'm pretty Bioware said they are no longer releasing day one DLC...I'm sure a proper citation wouldn't be difficult to find..some one fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.98.252 (talk) 16:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You could always search for the source yourself, you know. Anyway, I haven't heard anything about them cancelling the day one DLC, and I've spent the last eight or so months doing tonnes of research on the game - I've got a feeling you're incorrect. --LordNecronus (talk) 19:37, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

9 seperate items of the collector's edition & pre-order bonus DLC was available for free from the Euro xbox-live marketplace website this morning until about noon (GMT). 25JAN2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.195.187.198 (talk)
 * Without a source, I find that doubtful since it hasn't been officially released anywhere yet. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 13:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's your 'source' (well, where I got the marketplace links from - I'm just waiting to get home and download them all from my queue ;) - http://www.gamestm.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15014&start=60#p336760 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.195.187.198 (talk) 13:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * O... kay... that is an epic fail by Microsoft... Is this "leak" notable, people? ... and would it make me a pirate and get me banned from Xbox Live if I downloaded? <.< -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 13:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Like you say 'epic fail'... I don't that would make you a pirate, because at the end of the day, Microsoft made the ballsup on their website! Also I don't think Microsoft can really do anything once the items are in your DL queue / account history... Of course, that's assuming they're still available for DL, which from what I've read elsewhere, they're not... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.195.187.198 (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect 2 Leaked
It appears that both PC and Xbox versions have been leaked on Bittorrent sites. Just wanted to point it out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.164.80 (talk) 06:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Only large leaks mentioned by the developers are notable. Especially since this one is incredibly small, only 246 people have played the game with Xbox Live plugged in (You can know this by looking on mygamercards.com gamerscore leaderboards). What would be more notalbe is kmart breaking street date on yet another game.99.236.125.59 (talk) 00:33, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Whether developers mention it or not doesn't make it notable. Many people have completed this game before its release date. How do you think there already FAQs, forums, and posts etc going up before the release date? I finished the whole game yesterday. 67.49.132.203 (talk) 12:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * To include it here, it needs to be mentioned in a reliable source. It does not have to be the developers though. Regards  So Why  13:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Not to "WAX" the issue, but in the MW2 article, there is a concise section about piracy and the one source it's citing is at TorrentFreak. Personally, I think that section is certainly appropriate there, and it would be here as well. Based on this source (also TorrentFreak), ME2 downloads are already in the hundreds of thousands. --87.79.139.28 (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

EU/UK Release date differenting
According to the Mass Effect Wiki on Wikia, January 29th is only the UK release date, the rest of the "eurozone", including Sweden and Denmark, gets it on the 28th, at midnight. Steam also confirms this, at the time of writing saying "Available: 28 January 2010; This game will unlock in approximately 3 days and 12 hours" --Nukleon (talk) 12:14, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Here in Switzerland, we are also only getting it on the 29th (4 days and 12 hours). So although the EU release date might be the 28th, non-EU European countries have the same release date as the UK.92.104.7.115 (talk) 12:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Has no-one noticed how that isn't sourced? Keep this page as is until someone finds something useful. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 02:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

criticism of the Mako's poor gameplay sections in the first game
"A new vehicle will be introduced to replace the M35 Mako due to criticism of the Mako's poor gameplay sections in the first game"

Seriously... ? I thought it was the wacky random-generated terrains and generally poorly/hastily done planetary expedition sub game that was the problem. If their solution is to replace the vehicle instead of making the space/plane exploration part better then they're not working hard enough to get me interested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.172.94 (talk) 14:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * New threads go at the bottom. Also "gameplay sections" covers the "wacky" terrain (personally, the Mako's controls were fine for me, it was those damn. bloody. mountains. x.x). The sentence used to just be "Mako's poor controls," so this is an improvement on that. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 13:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

lol only casuals dont know how to pilot the Mako, christ it was piss easy on the PC. was frankly bummed that they removed it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.10.178 (talk) 22:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Freezing before character creation
It seems to be a common bug, possibly universal, that computers with only a single core processor can't start the game because it freezes when you try to make a character, evidence. Should it be noted or something? --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say yes, but obviously people have other opinions. Put it in the article then if people don't think it should be in it we can sumply discuss it here.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  16:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say absolutely not, at least not with that reference. This isn't a news site- we can't point to a forum and say "people are talking about...". We have to wait until something is covered in the media, or through some other official channel. -- King Öomie  17:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, didn't realise it was a forum; yeah forums arn't allowed, so no  ' The Ninja  lemming '  17:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Sales Numbers: 2 Million sold in first week
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1065086p1.html 74.215.126.88 (talk) 23:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Uncanny Valley
I suggest a section or link concerning the Uncanny Valley. I just saw ME2 the other day and it was unnerving and unplayable.24.32.45.152 (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Click this. --LordNecronus (talk) 23:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Problem with the plotline
Brah, the plotline is massively variable, you can have things happening in a completely different order. --notably the thing about tali does not neccesarily have to happen in that order. You wogs should sort it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.66.219 (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Next time you want something sorted out, make sure you don't insult us - we'll be a lot more helpful. --LordNecronus (talk) 23:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * hahaha Seriously though, the plot section is too long; it shouldn't be a recap of the entire plot of the game, it should be a plot summary.   S warm  ( Talk ) 06:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with that, just that the person creating this section had to insult us about it. I'll just forget about that, avoid a problem. Anyway, I would change it to a plot summary, but I haven't played it enough to do a summary, and I don't want to spoil the plot for myself. --LordNecronus (talk) 10:15, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The plot section is not too long; it is longer than those of some other games because the game itself is long and has much happening within the story itself. I believe the plot section is fine the way it is. It is... a summary. -- Kilkia123 (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Ashley returning
Is this real or fake info? There is no slot for her in party selection screen and no one I know has experienced a scenario described. Can anyone confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.17.3 (talk) 16:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It also sounds pretty weird that she would have the same stats as in the last game, given that Tali or Garrus don't and the talent tree has changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.17.3 (talk) 16:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Removed. The "same stats" bit gives it away. -- King Öomie  16:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * She does not return. You may see her in the game, but she feels betrayed by you and will leave in disgust. She returns, but she does not 'return' to join your party. -- Kilkia123 (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Text too small
Does the news stories, that are on most sites, about the text being too small on SD tv deserve a mention. It makes the codex and all the planet bios worthless to anyone with a SD tv and seems a curious decision by the developer. http://www.pcworld.com/article/188510/mass_effect_2_sdtv_text_size_a_design_choice.html http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/no-fix-for-mass-effect-2-text-issue-could-have-been-avoided.ars

Rorypat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rorypat (talk • contribs) 14:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly, I depends on other peoples opinions but I would say yes, as long as it doesn't take up too much space as it is only a small thing.  ' The Ninja  lemming '  13:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

upadte to page
I thought what was put up on the page was very accurate. Thanks Rorypat (talk)Rorypat —Preceding undated comment added 18:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC).

Something strange
Is it just me, or does the article seem like it only focuses on things that were revealed before launch? The headings on the page are pretty much the same as they were a month ago, and it seems weird. 71.169.191.89 (talk) 02:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Somebody has changed information
Somebody has changed many instances of "XBOX 360" to "Playstation 3" on this wikipedia entry.

Seeing as Mass Effect 2 was never released on Playstation 3. I have taken the liberty to correct the error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RockoDGrey (talk • contribs) 15:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

"Cuttlefish"?
Did they really say that the Reapers evolved from cuttlefish? Maybe I was distracted, but would've thought I'd remember EDI saying that when the Human-Reaper appeared... Planewalker Dave (talk) 21:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, rewatched the cutscene. Definitely stuff about it being their version of evolution but no mention of cuttlefish.  Thank God.  Thought I was going crazy.  Planewalker Dave (talk) 21:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Multiplayer
my friend INSISTS that there is multiplayer for this game. I have proven him wrong SEVERAL times unsuccessfully. I have the game for gods sake, if there was multiplayer I would know! He says that "there isn't multiplayer for pc" please help me prove him wrong. his ignorance is beginning to annoy me... --Lazy1337genius (talk) 05:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got the 360 version; there isn't multiplayer. Though this doesn't seem to be anything to do with this page, does it? --LordNecronus (talk) 11:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Citation 66
Citation 66 is broken, and the info is very relevant (as it's happening now). --174.103.224.13 (talk) 02:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Introduction section
This seems to be very short, as usually intros have a basic outline of the plot and reception. Look at Mass Effect, for example. Vrinan (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Something like this, perhaps -

The game takes place in the year 2185, two years after Mass Effect, as Commander Shepard gathers up a team of specialists to find out why entire human colonies have been vanishing.

Mass Effect 2 was received with high praise, and had strong sales. [Insert more stuff about reviews and DLC]

64.222.96.61 (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

List of Downloadable Content
Someone removed the list of downloadable content saying that it violated the not a game guide rule, and saying the list of dlc was already up at www.masseffect.com/arsenal

A) A list of DLC is simply a list of DLC. Really, this does not make it a game guide in any way. B) The link the user mentioned does not exist.

Perhaps the list should be restored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.91.186 (talk) 17:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I restored it, but I have no doubt that this won't end here. 72.95.91.85 (talk) 20:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

There's a notice above the DLC list now that the content might be better in prose format - I came to the article specifically looking for the list of all DLC, and the best and tidiest format for presenting it is the one it's in now. I see no benefit from attempting to convert it into prose; there's no narrative there, just a series of entries. Is there a point to changing it? 78.1.113.22 (talk) 20:01, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, I've also streamlined the table further. Vedant (talk) 21:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Ingame Screenshot
The screenshot used in this section is, no offense meant, rather low quality. One of higher quality, perhaps a source on the internet, should be used in my opinion. Vrinan (talk) 04:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Characters Section
The "Characters" section should not be a list. If you look at the Mass Effect "Characters" section, you see that it provides an overview on the main character, and voice acting list. Granted, this one would focus more on squad mates as we already know enough about Shepard, but it definitely needs to be changed. We don't want it looking like this now, do we? Haha, no offense to Fable, great game. 71.169.183.93 (talk) 16:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

The "ammunition" system
The article mentions "In addition, weapons now use ammunition and no longer rely on the overheat system of the first game." which is incorrect. The oveatheat system has merely been reworked and acts more like ammunition in that you collect thermal clips that prevent overheating off fallen enemies. The ammunition itself still uses a mass effect drive to give you infinite (or at least a very high amount) of ammunition. Why the thermal clips don't cool down overtime like they do in the original game is beyond me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.179.218 (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 217.42.0.240, 6 August 2010
Notice that under Critical Recepetion heading, the PC Gamer UK 90% score is unsourced and requests a citation. A source can be found here: http://n4g.com/news/457887/pc-gamer-uk-reviews-mass-effect-2

Cheers.

217.42.0.240 (talk) 13:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done --Stickee (talk)  14:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)