Talk:Mass Transit Super Bowl

Title renamed
It was suggested by one edit that the title of this article should be Transportation at Super Bowl XLVIII. I have reverted it because this article is not just about any generic transportation plan for the Super Bowl, but it is specific to focus on mass transit for the first time. Many references in the inline citations use the "mass transit Super Bowl" as the term for this plan. We need to use this term as the title name of this article. Now that the BOLD action has been reverted. Following the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, any disagreement should be discussed here before making change again. Z22 (talk) 12:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Transportation at Super Bowl XLVIII is still kept as a redirect page. Z22 (talk) 12:47, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Merge into main article
The main issue with this article is that it reads too much like a travel guide, and contains information that, in my opinion, does not need to be discussed in such a detailed fashion. Even though the plans have been discussed by reliable sources, much of it may not be as relevant after the game. I think we would be better off condensing this as part of the main article ViperSnake151   Talk  17:27, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose – the derivative article is too long to allow a merge in its current state. Epicgenius (talk) 18:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Readable prose size is only about 20kb. WP:PAGESIZE does not suggest splits for articles smaller than 40kb readable prose size. ViperSnake151   Talk  18:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The Super Bowl XLVIII article is about 48 kB long as of this post. Epicgenius (talk) 20:27, 30 January 2014 (UTC)`
 * No, those guidelines are based off readable prose size. That's not the readable prose size. ViperSnake151   Talk  21:58, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Still, the derivative (the Mass Transit Super Bowl article) is notable enough that it shouldn't be merged. Epicgenius (talk) 23:00, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The readable prose size of this article is about 10,000 exclusive contents, captions, see also, and ex-links Djflem (talk) 23:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose – I already mentioned in the main discussion on the merge proposal. In addition to the size, the merit of whether this should continue to be a standalone article should also be around whether this is a discrete subject (see WP:MERGE) and notable or not. The answer is yes. Many sources discussed specifically about the "Mass Transit Super Bowl" without even discuss the Super Bowl XLVII. So they are two separate subjects. Also, if the current contents look to be more like a travel guide which is not what Wikipedia meant to be, then let's put our energy into improving this article. Some details can be cut out, but obviously some more can be added like the actual history of the the plan was coming together, etc. Let's continue the discussion on the main talk page so we don't have two separate discussions. Z22 (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OpposeThe concept of the first Mass Transit Super Bowl (MTSB) is significant not only because of its impetus. The Tri-State Area (NY-NJ-CT) has the highest rates of population density and public transportation use in North America. The system is complex and limited in its integration due to geography and administration. With the MTSB, a number of significant new approaches were introduced: a new regional transit map, Amtrak stopping at Secaucus, a westbound Lincoln Tunnel XBL, NJ-bound buses using alternative Manhattan boarding locations, among them. It also represents another effort by the transportation agencies to work collectively and highlights the intensity of Hudson River crossings which are maxing out. Djflem (talk) 22:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment / Wrong Talk Page - An editor forked the discussion away from the original location, so now two discussions are occurring in parallel. I've updated the 'Discuss' link to use the initial location, to consolidate us back into a single discussion.


 * Moving forward, please comment here: Talk:Super Bowl XLVIII. UW Dawgs (talk) 00:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Execution of the plan on Super Bowl gameday
Seems like every media outlet has coverage on severe transit problems both before and after the game. The "Missing information" template has been added to the article. UW Dawgs (talk) 13:23, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

‘Mass-Transit Super Bowl’ Hits Some Rough Patches in Moving Fans

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/sports/football/mass-transit-super-bowl-hits-some-rough-patches-in-moving-fans.html

Mass transit meltdown on the way to the Super Bowl

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/transportation/20140203_Mass_transit_meltdown_on_the_way_to_the_Super_Bowl.html

Security, Crowds Delay Fans’ Trip to Super Bowl

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303442704579359043995105418

Angry Super Bowl train passengers curse NJ over delays, overcrowding

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/02/super_bowl_train_passengers_furious_with_packed_rail_cars_delays.html

Reports: Epic transit delays in New Jersey

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/super-bowl/post/_/id/1032/reports-epic-transit-delays-in-new-jersey

Super Bowl 2014: NJ Transit riders complain of heat, overcrowding

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/02/super_bowl_2014_nj_transit_riders_complain_of_heat_overcrowding.html

Super Bowl: More train problems as announcer asks fans to stay in MetLife Stadium

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/02/super_bowl_more_train_problems_as_announcer_asks_fans_to_stay_in_metlife_stadium.html

Super Bowl 2014: Transit woes plague ride home

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/02/super_bowl_2014_hows_your_ride_home.html

Super Bowl's mass-transit vision at risk after commuter mayhem

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-superbowl-transit31-20140131,0,7656275.story

Super Bowl chaos: Officials plead with 28,000 train-bound fans to stay inside MetLife Stadium after Super Bowl despite having hours to react after pre-game transit disaster

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550797/Super-Bowl-chaos-Officials-plead-28-000-train-bound-fans-stay-inside-MetLife-Stadium-Super-Bowl-despite-having-hours-react-pre-game-transit-disaster.html

Mass Transit Strains Under Super Bowl Crowds

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Super-Bowl-Transit-Train-Problems-Crowds-MetLife-243249801.html

Super Bowl fans trapped for hours at MetLife stadium

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/super-bowl-travails-worth-fans-heading-nj-article-1.1600009

Transit woes, mild temps mark NJ-NY Super Bowl

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/2014/02/03/transit-woes-mild-temps-mark-super-bowl/CKHmYbScz6T1Rc23xPz5FL/story.html

Frustrated fans cry foul over ride to Super Bowl

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/super-bowl/frustrated-fans-cry-foul-over-ride-to-super-bowl-1.6928341


 * I created a new section. Can someone expand it? Epicgenius (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of PATH map
This was relevant before the game, but I am not so sure of that now. Should it be removed? Epicgenius (talk) 20:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I re-added. My thinking was this is an article on a world-wide media event, but with no geographical context for those unfamiliar with NY/NJ transit.  Map is collapse (space) and page weight don't seem to be considerations. UW Dawgs (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

NJT report
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/05/nj_transit_lost_56m_on_super_bowl.html NJT lost $5.6million http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/03/nj_security_expenses_for_super_bowl_48_top_5_million.html %million security

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