Talk:Master (Peerage of Scotland)

Please excuse me, gentlemen, but how are they addressed if they are heirs to similar peerages (Lord Kerr of Fernieherst and Lord Kerr of Jedburgh, for example)? --Anglius 30 June 2005 01:08 (UTC)


 * The heir of a holder of an "X of Y" title who is Chief of Clan X can use the style "Master of X", but otherwise (and occasionally even when "Master of X" is possible) the style used is "Master of Y". Lord Balfour of Burleigh's Heir Presumptive, for instance, is the Mistress of Burleigh, not the Mistress of Balfour. "Master of X of Y" is never used. Proteus (Talk) 4 July 2005 19:58 (UTC)
 * I thank you for information, Mr. Tilman. --Anglius 5 July 2005 18:04 (UTC)

peerages only?
Is this form applicable only to peerages? I dimly remember reading that an heir can be Master of something other than a peerage, but can't remember what! —Tamfang (talk) 08:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

According to Valentine Heywood, British Titles (1951) p.103–8: —Tamfang (talk) 06:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "Master of X" can also be the heir to a courtesy title. His examples: the heir-apparent to the earldom of Strathmore is Lord Glamis, and his heir is Master of Glamis; "the grandson of the Earl of Crawford and Balcarres [is known] as the Master of Lindsay; and the grandson of the Earl of Southesk as the Master of Carnegie."
 * The non-peerage example that I half-remembered was "Master of Grant", a style claimed for his son by the 31st Chief of Clan Grant but denied by all authorities.
 * "Sir Francis Grant informs me that there was never any warrant for the adoption of this style ['Mistress'] by an heiress presumptive."

masters of courtesy titles
A few articles give 'Master' titles to heirs too distant for a courtesy peerage of their own:
 * Master of Strathnaver, grandson of the Countess of Sutherland
 * Master of Aberdour, grandson of the Earl of Morton
 * Master of Bruce, grandson of the Earl of Elgin
 * Master of Ogilvy, grandson of the Earl of Airlie
 * Master of Stormont, grandson of the Earl of Mansfield

Other persons who might claim such styles, or so it seems to me, include:
 * Master of Drumlanrig: Lord Torquil Douglas, second son of the 12th Marquess of Queensberry
 * Master of Elcho: Hon. Andrew Charteris, cousin of the 13th/9th Earl of Wemyss and March
 * Master of Dalmeny: Hon. Albert Caspian Harry Primrose, grandson of the 7th Earl of Rosebery
 * Master of Carnegie: Hon. George William Carnegie, second grandson of the 3d Duke of Fife
 * Master of Aithrie: Hon. Victor Hope, second grandson of the 4th Marquess of Linlithgow

Also, is there a good reason not to list a Master/Mistress of Lothian, Rothes, Galloway, Northesk, Kintore, Oxfuird, Terregles, Kinloss, Culross, Cameron, Freeland or Nairne? —Tamfang (talk) 23:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Earldom of Ross?
"James Douglas Scott, Master of Ross, heir presumptive to the Earldom of Ross"

Is there such a Scottish earldom, extant and not merged with the crown? I can find no trace of it. Anyone?

(I note the surname Scott, and that there is a Viscountcy of Nith, Torthorwald and Ross in that family, but the heir apparent and therefore Master would be the current Earl of Dalkeith, and his name is Walter, not James). Not Proven (talk) 15:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)