Talk:Master Chief (Halo)/Archive 1

John-117
Does anyone actually call him John-117? I thought he was always just "John" or "Spartan 117." At least, that's what my friends who have read the books say. LockeShocke 19:53, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * From memory, no. However, he considers it his last name and more than likely how he is officially designated in all records. Razer of Chaos 23:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Cassandra?
In the Collector's Edition for Halo 2, there's a barely discernable letter to 117 from a woman named Cassandra currently convalescing at the M2SL Recovery Station and that she's gone into fourth-stage rehabilitation. Has the novels or any other material mentioned her?--YoungFreud 18:33, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No, but you should research it. It is worth mentioning.

In overlooking the contents of the letter she may be a Spartan that was broken during augmentation or injured beyond her capacity to repare, she mentions being happy to be skinned, no indicaction of having skin again or having her skin removed again, hopefully the former. She may even be capable of becoming a full Spartan again depending on the number of stages in rehabilitation. I figure this from the fact she uses the sentence, "We miss you, John," clearly she knew him before and also knows Sgt. Johnson. The "we" is probably the other Spartans there with her at the station.--Man Demon 23 Jan 2006

I think this should be moved to Master Chief.
What do you all think. Cookiecaper 13:26, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I disagree. At best, such a move would just start a disambig page with Master Chief Petty Officer (besides, it already points to this page). --YoungFreud 16:00, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree that this article should be retitled Master Chief, maybe Master Chief (Halo). I realize that there's already a redirect from Master Chieft, but having the article titled John-117 is somewhat confusing because that name is mentioned only in the semi-canonical Halo novels. Anyone who has a passing knowledge of Halo knows the character as Master Chief and that should be a good enough justification for the title. -- NormanEinstein 13:45, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and moved the article from John-117 to Master Chief (Halo). I think this works better and is less confusing. I'll correct all the existing wikilinks to John-117. - NormanEinstein 16:36, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Halo novels which actually say that they are official are fully in canon, just for the record. MrJammie 22:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Just to remind, it never hurts to fill in edit summary, even if the edit is a minor one. Without edit summary, it's hard to tell if an edit has rationale behind it and if removed material has been removed or moved. Thanks. Aapo Laitinen 16:51, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)

John Spartan - just a coincidence?
Master Chief is also referred as John or Spartan-117. This makes me think about movie Demolition Man where Sylvester Stallone played main character named John Spartan. Does anyone know if this is just a coincidence?

Walter


 * Maybe, but the possible connection is certainly not strong enough to mention in the article. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 05:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * The popular theory is that the name is a reference to the Bible, either John 1:17 ('For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.') or John 11:7 ('Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.')

Perhaps another coincedence, but the description of John "freckled face, gap between his front teeth, touseled brown hair" seems to describe Alfred E. Newman (of MAD Magazine fame) anyone else notice this?

Article name changed
I changed the article's name because it would be better if it includes the Master Chief's full name. Do you like it or not? If you don't like it, the article's name should be reverted back to the previous name. -- Ed Telerionus 17:34, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Surviving Spartans
The First Strike section of this article ends with the following sentence: In addition to the five named Spartans above, there are in fact three other Spartans who were out of range when the Spartans were gathered on the Pillar of Autumn, prior to the Fall of Reach and the events on Installation 04. I think this sentence relates to a few lines in the Fall of Reach novel where it is stated that all Spartans, save a few engaged in far away star systems, were present at the briefing for the plan to infiltrate the Covenant homeplanet. I always thought this meant some Spartans did not attend the briefing, but all were enlisted for the mission. In the context of this article the sentence seems to hint there are three other Spartans alive other than John-117, Fred-104, Linda-58, Will-43 and Kelly-87 whose name is not mentioned, but I believe this to be incorrect. Is there some info in Halo 2 (haven't played it yet and I'm avoiding to read any spoiler until I can play it...) that can justify such an intepretation? Or am I missin the real meaning of the sentence? Anyone can shed light? Berserker79 15:21, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

About the surving Spartans
That was done by me, and my information was gleaned from both Fall of Reach, and Halo.Bungie.Org, more specifically, fans whom have also made the same assumptions. I must say in fairness, that EITHER of the two options, there being 3 extra spartans + the four from the books, or all but those four having perished in the battle for Reach.

As for the games, the games are made with the assumption that the player has not read the books, but does reference various events that happened in the books, but wouldn't require more than what the in-game story provides. Such as mentioning the fall of Reach and what not


 * Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering if I've been missing some piece of information or if there were simply two different and equally possible ways to interpret what is hinted in the books/web/etc... Thanks. Berserker79 13:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

New Master Chief image
Would it be worth throwing up a shot of Masterchief's face from Halo 3 on here, or just keep the Halo 2 one? I think it might be worth it to keep it up to date. -Sanius 20:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

don't move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 11:23, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Master Chief (Halo) → Master Chief … Rationale: Master Chief has been a redirect to Master Chief (Halo) for several months now, and there doesn't seem to be any complaints that Master Chief Petty Officer is inappropriately obscured. as such, it'd probably be best to drop the disambiguating suffix and just put the Halo-related MC article at Master Chief. There's already a hatnote at the top of that article for MCPO. Note: Although Master Chief contains revision history, it's for a disambigation page that was simply dropped in favor of the current redirect. — TKD::Talk 04:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with  ~


 * See comments below. — TKD::Talk 08:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Support as original requester. — TKD::Talk 04:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Olessi 19:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose The suffix lets people know what the article relates to more quickly than any other method can. Thunder Wolf 05:36, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strongly oppose due to the possibility of having something something real (Master Chief Petty Officer) obscured by something from a video game. I don't mind fancruft too much, but it shouldn't interfere (even slightly) with real reference material. Isomorphic 22:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oppose I think we should leave this article as it is now, it just works fine. Besides, I'd rather see more useful to turn Master Chief back to a disambig page, even if it will contain just two entries. Berserker79 07:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments


 * Isotope does have a point about real-world taking precedence. I had assumed that since the redirect had been in place for months that there was no opposition to it, and just wanted to drop the redirect if that were really the case. Master Chief was redirected earlier to Master Chief Petty Officer, to which I don't have an objection. I went through and corrected all of the incoming links from article space, about 90% of which were expecting the Halo protagonist. On the other hand, Berserker's suggestion does make sense. In most cases, I don't like disambiguation pages for only two entries; however, from a pragmatic standpoint, it does seem as if there is a discrepancy between what is "more important" from an encyclopedic standpoint and what actually gets linked to. So in this case I think a disambiguation page might be a reasonable solution. I don't know of any precent for a two-entry disambiguation page, however. — TKD::Talk 08:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Other appearances
A "Other Appearances" section is present in this article with a single entry which has very few to do with the Master Chief. If not already present, mention of Spartan-458 (Nicole) in DOA4 should be done on the Halo (video game series) page rather than here. Unless someone disagrees I'm going to remove it in a few days. Berserker79 12:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's relevant because Team Ninja had asked for the Master Chief specifically so it pertains to him. Maybe change the section from "Other Appearances" to "Trivia" instead? I think that makes more sense. --LiK 04:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

hey Berserker79, I decided to change the section title from "Other Appearances" to "Trivia". This will make more sense to the readers since John-117 doesn't actually make the appearance. But since he was originally requested by Team Ninja, it should be something noteworthy for this article. --LiK 05:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't like much the fact the whole paragraph dealt more with Spartan-458 rather than the Chief, but since you have renamed it to trivia I think it makes a bit more sense now. Berserker79 07:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Trailer for halo 3
Sorry, I may be being stupid, but the halo 3 trailer gave me the impression that the Master Chief was on earth, but was working with the elites, grunts and hunters. Otherwise, wouldn't they be shooting at him?--elk 20:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

elk, the location of Earth is correct. It was confirmed by Bungie that the trailer depicts Master Chief in Africa where one of the Forerunners relic is found, hence the location of the previous Earth battle locations in Halo 2. The Convenant were not necessarily working with Master Chief but were merely a dramatic visual unveiling for the teaser. A hint of the massive war that is happening on Earth in Halo 3. Btw, as for the question about the Elites, etc, all of Master Chief's allies in Halo 2 were still in a middle of a civil war on their own planet so the ships we saw in the trailer were probably still following the prophets' orders. --LiK 13:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, just because the Covenant didn't acknowledge the Chief's presence doesn't mean they were friendly to him. They could have merely ignored him, not have detected him, or felt he was not an imminent threat. --NLUT

The street sign seen in the trailed depicts a Grunt, where normally you'd see a man crossing the street. This may just be Bungie having a laugh, or it may indicate a gap in time between Halos 2 and 3 where the Elite faction of the Covenant were present on Earth. Just shooting in the dark here, it's probably a joke. MrJammie 22:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The whole 117 thing
You guys might want to look into the infamous and ancient "site 117", which is believed by many to be the first scientific evidence of man's violence against other men. It is also certainly the first "mass" slaughter of men, women and children ever uncovered. Read this is you give a damn(http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/anthropological_quarterly/v073/73.3ferguson.pdf), just a thought, good luck...

Will the moderator please respond to my brilliant discovery?
 * Bree-lee-ahnt! Son of a Peach 16:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Italian
I had info that could back up that he is italian but it was delealed I'll show you if comes back

Demolition Man?
I pulled this Demolition man section from the Trivia section. This seems a strech at best. Besides, how could the game have influences a movie that came almost 10 years before it? Here it is if anyone cares.

-ShatteredHorizon


 * In the 1993 movie Demolition Man, Sylvester Stallone plays a wrongly-convicted cop named John Spartan, similar to the Master Chief being named John, and his sub race being SPARTAN. In the movie, John Spartan is nicknamed 'The Demolition Man', who is released from prison on parole in order to apprehend a more dangerous criminal, under the watch of the police.

"Spartan John 117?"
Just a thought, but shouldn't it just be John-117? Spartan isn't necessarily a title, more of a group association, really.

Allies
Note: Remember, the Master Chief does not know that the Arbiter, Sgt. Johnson, Commander M. Keyes, and Guilty Spark are allies when the Chief returns to Earth. Hell, John knows nothing about what happened with them. Of course, the Halo 3 trailer was probably taken from a point in the middle of the game, (or hell, maybe at the very ending!), so the Johnson, Miranada, and the Arbiter might have rturned to Earth.

Unless the Arbiter and Johnson and Miranda find a way to return to Earth, Covenant forces and Humans will continue to engage each other and remain hostile.

Helmet removal
This article alleges that the Master Chief removes his helmet once in each game. I can't think of an instance in Halo 2 when he does that; can someone point out when this happens? Graft 22:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In his first appearance in Halo 2, he is putting the helmet back on his head. Peptuck 19:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Mistake on Background artical
In the artical it says he's about half a ton. It's a metric ton. Not a ton. A ton is 2,000 pounds. A metric ton is 1,000 kilograms. Half of that is 500 kilograms. So it's actually half a metric ton.

Suggested external link
The following link :

http://www.writeups.org/affiche_fiche.php?id=3069

has a fairly good article on the version of the Master Chief and the Spartan troopers from the *book* version of Halo. It thus would be a good complement for people with an interest in the Master Chief, IMO. Should we add it or not ?

Ghostwise 15:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Ghostwise


 * Unless I'm missing something, it looks like a fan-written article geared toward integration of the character into some unrelated RPG, so, no, it wouldn't be a particularly useful external link. — TKD::Talk 17:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I beleive Ghostwise was particularly interested on the section discussing Cheif's history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.57.20.114 (talk) 20:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Armor color?
At the end of Halo 2, and in the Halo 3 Trailer, Master Chief's MJONLIR VI Armor appears to be of a beigeish persuasion, possibly steel or brown colored. However in Halo: Combat Evolved and other instances, it is more of a sage color. Which color is officially correct? 66.57.20.114 20:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC) Timekeeper

Both. They're different models, so they have different colors. Peptuck 23:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Linking...
Why doesn't SPATRAN-117 or John-177 link to this article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.103.134.110 (talk) 13:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC). --Does now. Timekeeper 14:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC)