Talk:Master Chief (Halo)/Archive 2

College
Is the "college" section accurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.222.204 (talk • contribs)


 * Its persistent vandalism. If you see it posted again on this page, delete it. Peptuck 19:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah... where do we request to get this page locked? --Ras29 00:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It was locked, and it was just unlocked yesterday. Someone has no life. Peptuck 06:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

the college thing is back and i cant find a way to erase it, you guys should lock the page to avoid those noobs from mesing the info —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.14.2.102 (talk • contribs)


 * Semi-protection was tried, and the perpetrator created an account to bypass the restrictions. Since it seems to be only one persxon with 2 IP addresses, I'd rather block those IPs than subject the page to semi-protection, which should be used only if all else fails. — TKD::Talk 03:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Its starting up again... >.> Peptuck 19:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Blocked again. — TKD::Talk 19:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Back again. Someone seems to be begging for a permaban now. Peptuck 20:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Mascot for Microsoft Xbox
Hey, I saw the list of mascots and I saw that the Master Chief is now the mascot for the Xbox divison of Microsoft. Should we put this statement in the article? Leader Vladimir
 * Definitely. Peptuck 05:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

RATE vs. RANK
Master Chief should be his RANK, not his RATE. Rate refers to a specific job. Some examples of RATEs include MA (Master at Arms), SK (Storekeeper), YN (Yeomen), GM (Gunners Mate).

In naval jargon, a senior NCO is referred to by their rank, (ex. Chief, Senior Chief, or Master Chief), whereas lower enlisted personnel are called either "Petty Officer" or a combination of their Rank and Rate, such GM1 (Gunners Mate, First Class).

I don't think it was ever mentioned what exactly Master Chief's Rating was, however, we obviously do know that his RANK is that of Master Chief Petty Officer. Loner48 06:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting point, I had come to understand rate was the same as rank except the term is used in the Navy. According to your info however this is not correct, so it would be more logic to revert back to rank in the article... This would also help lower the number of times someone drops here and decided to randomly change rate with rank without reading through the whole article! :) Berserker79 13:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Changed. — TKD::Talk 08:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

In Fall of Reach didn't it say something about him being Petty Officer First Class thou I think that was around the begining of the war -- 74.104.240.5 21:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Loner48 would have made an interesting point vis-à-vis rank and rate if he were correct. As it happens, he isn't. Rank refers to degree of precedence. Rate refers to pay grade. Rating refers to occupational specialty. "Master chief petty officer" is a rate, not a rank. Gunner's mate is a rating, not a rate. See 10 USC 101 (b)(9) for reference. John-117's rate is (allegedly) master chief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.2.121.181 (talk) 18:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * (1) This discussion is no longer relevant; the wording has changed altogether. (2) I just realized this, but why are we trying to apply the terminology of the US armed forces to a fictional hierarchy? Who's to say that they carry over? That's original research. — TKD:: Talk  13:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

First, according to Military Rank, "rate" is a term used by 'most' navies in place of the term "rank". Second, isn't pay grade the little letter-number combo that goes along with each rank/rate (eg. O-4, W-2, E-9)? Or am I misunderstanding. Third, I aagree with TKD, while it is clear that his rate/rank/26th century equivalent is "Master Chief", other than that phrase "Master Chief" any use of modern terms to describe the (fictional) UNSC that aren't gleaned directly from official sources (games, etc.), would constitute OR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.91.248 (talk) 03:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Enhancements
I changed the section about how he is enhanced at the beginning of the article. It said biologically and cybernetically but if I recall correctly from the first book (and I could be wrong, so let me know) that he was genetically, surgically, and cybernetically enhanced. Can anyone else confirm or respond to this? --DannyBoy7783 02:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In response I can confirm that you are indeed correct. Though I would say genetically mutated... —The preceding comment was added by theonlyxmen/ Feb. 8th 20007 05:16


 * Spartans are not genetically enhanced. They were born with superior genetic traits making them highly suited for the project, but they are not genetically modified. The enhancements that were made to the Spartans were chemical or cybernetic. Peptuck 16:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely correct, Peptuck. I see the "genetic" thing posted on a lot of pages (Wiki or otherwise) about the augmentations applied to the Spartans. The Spartans were all born into the general populations of their respective homeworlds, and were not engineered in any way. They were chosen for the program, as children (that is, several years after birth), because their particular natural genomes provided for superior phenotypical attributes. Really, there can be no "genetic augmentation" in humans (or any other complex organisms, really) beyond early zygotic/embryonic stages of development--there are simply too many cells in the body to manipulate, among other factors. --The Berzerk Dragon 07:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

How come when I first read this article it was full of jokes/incorrect statements. Yet when I went back to the page it was correct?

4/19/2007
 * Vandalism that I reverted. Peptuck 19:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

"...SPARTANs,can sprint at bursts of 40km" This doesn't really make grammatical sense and is confusing as it could indicate either how fast or how far SPARTANs can sprint. I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to fix this either way though I suspect the statement is meant to be concerning speed.ASA-IRULE 13:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

its most likely supposed to mean 40 kmph, small mistake 24.240.39.207 00:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Um, I went ahead and fixed the vandilism. ReneeLouvier 18:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

More Images
This think we need more images. This article looks too empty without them. --Putmalk 21:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I think I might put something up later.Lokon40 01:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Only 3 pics of master cheif??? Toa Zach 07:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps a comparison section of what he looked like in each of the games? --TyGuy92 18:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

fancruft
the halo 2 article seems really skimpy alot of the articles seem to missing info all though the article is about the MC there is other characters that interact with him and small saying for them is best. Also a section on cortona is needed and maybe johnston with connections to the masterchief
 * See WP:Fancruft for the reasons why the articles aren't excessively detailed. I just performed a revert on this article because it had far too much information, and as soon as I get some time I'm going to cut back the rest of the article to make it better off. Peptuck 21:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

but the parts are important to the masterchief so wouldnt they be important enough to be article have you even read the books
 * Brevity is important too. The article does not need to be weighed down by every little detail and battle. Peptuck 21:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

speed
Okay wth is with the constant change of speeds units Agentheartlesspain 22:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Peptuck 00:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

like the kilometer per hour thing its like km kmph km/ph km/h kmh it keeps beeing changed contstantlyAgentheartlesspain 20:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Move page?
Master Chief is an abbreviation for the rank Master Chief Petty Officer, and in the Halo Universe there seems to be a difference between today's MCPO and the MCPO in the year 2552, so I think this page should be moved to John-117 (Halo), as that is his name. Guesty-Persony-Thingy 02:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why? The primary name for his character is "Master Chief" - even within Halo's own story material - and the article's title already specifies the difference between him and the real rank of MCPO. I don't see a reason to move it. Peptuck 02:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because that's his rank, and not his name. That's like making an article aboot George Bush and calling it President, the way I see it. But whatever you say, sir. Guesty-Persony-Thingy 08:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Master Chief is his name. Bungie themselves refer to him as Master Chief, and that is the general name he is refferred to as when someone is referencing the primary Spartan character of teh Halo series. A better analogy would be Superman; is he more generally refferred to as "Superman" or his real name of "Kor-El"? Master Chief is the same thing, and is the more recognizable name that the general audience and public would look up. Peptuck 17:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since Halo: Combat Evolved, I have never heard anyone in real life refer to the Master Cheif as anything but Master Chief. If you read any of the stories, there were tons of other Spartans running around and you would need dinstinction then, but since their all dead, 117 is just the Master Chief.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spartan3500 (talk • contribs) 01:10, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick note to Peptuck, Superman's actual name is Kal-El, I know it doesn't really matter all that much and is quite irrelevant to Master Chief but I'm kind of a fan of Superman etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.188.207 (talk) 08:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Nicole (Spartan 458)
Doesn't it say that Spartans are numbered in order they are captured/trained? There are not 458 Spartans.
 * There's no evidence in any of the game literature or canonical fiction that the numerical designation is the order of induction. After all, the Master Chief's designation is 117, but there were only 75 SPARTAN candidates inducted in his group. (p.30, the Fall of Reach novel)  It's possible that the number indicates the order of discovery as a possible candidate, but there's no evidence of this from canonical sources of which I'm aware.  Anton P. Nym 00:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Anton. Actually, the initial number of SPARTAN-II candidates evaluated was 150, but only 75 were brought to Reach for training. There's no clue as to how the numbers were assigned anyway. This means the numbers could be from 1 to anything as far as we know, including 458. On a purely speculative basis it is possible they screened hundreds of kids and had numbers at least up to 458, then selected 150 of them and with a final selection (the one carried out by Dr. Halsey and Keyes in the first part of the novel The Fall of Reach) 75 were finally admitted. Berserker79 16:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Frankie himself has said that there is no order to the Spartans' numerical designations. Peptuck 18:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

When Referring to Master Chief
I've noticed in the article he is referred to as the Master Chief, Master Chief, the chief etc. We should agree on a consistent name so that the article remains clear to outside readers and overall seems consistent. As soon as we determine what name we are going to use I, or if someone else decides to, will make the changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tyguy92 (talk • contribs).
 * The Master Chief is equally referred to as all three of those names. I think the article is fine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spartan3500 (talk • contribs) 01:20, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
 * How would any of those names be confusing to outsiders? They're all more or less the same.-_ $U IT  01:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold
The article looks good, is well referenced, and is structured appropriatelly. To pass the article please restructure the "Early Years" section into a subsection under appearances. Structure it in such a way that it says "in the novel halo reach, master chief does x" or "x is revealed". Judgesurreal777 22:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I trimmed the early history a tad and moved it to the proper place.
 * I formatted it like i meant, by appearances. Now, all you need to do is list the appearances by release date, and I'll pass it. Judgesurreal777 18:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I put in little intros to each appearances section with the year. That better? David Fuchs ( talk  ) 19:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Much. Congratulations! Going foreword to Featured Status, I would recommend even more popular culture and reaction information to the character. Who has he been compared to? Is he listed in something like IGN's top ten lists? That kind of information will be a help in that direction. Judgesurreal777 20:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the recommendation. I won't go for FA until after Halo 3 and Halo: Uprising are concluding anyhow, but I'll be sure to dig up more popular culture stuff. David Fuchs ( talk  ) 20:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Not the Last Spartan
I fixed the part that said that Spartan-117 was the last of the Spartan-IIs. I changed to "last known surviving" because I don't think the other few spartans alive (like those trapped inside Onyx) are known to the UNSC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.174.221.167 (talk • contribs)

Shouldn't we remove the part about him being a silent protagonist, considering he has spoken several times in the game? 68.40.62.32 23:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there are 3 Spartans that could not be easily recalled to Earth because of distant missions. I'm not exactly sure of a citation on that, or which book it is from. 74.229.90.160 07:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Halsey mentions the 3 unrecallable Spartans in the novel The Fall of Reach when assigning the surviving Spartans their mission to capture a Prophet. They are mentioned again this time as "Gray Team" in, I believe, Ghosts of Onyx. Flag-Waving American Patriot (talk) 01:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

reference to Doom?
anybody else think, and I may just be showing my bias toward Doom, that it should be noted somewhere that the Master Chief looks to be inspired by (if not directly based on) the "original" space marine, the Doomguy? Doomer4life 08:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You could say any space marine is based off Doom. But the only references given by Bungie are to Alien. If it can't be reliably sourced, don't put it in. David Fuchs ( talk  ) 11:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

"suggesting some physiological issues or trauma"
Perhaps I missed something relevant in the novel, but is this piece of character analysis mentioned specifically anywhere, or possibly in an out-of-universe source? — TKD::Talk 16:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed it, as it's not mentioned explicitly in the novels (although it would be a safe, though o.r.-laden guess) and I haven't seen it in any of the interview/sources etc. David Fuchs ( talk  ) 17:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. — TKD::Talk 18:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

John 1:17
I'm no bible thumper, just that the thought or "John 1:17" or "John 11:7" came to mind when seeing his name. John 1:17 - For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 11:7 - Then he said to his disciples, "Let us go back to Judea." I don't know, someone else figure it out. If it's nothing then just call me paranoid. --67.68.10.61 20:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * We need a reliable source for that type of analysis, in order to avoid original research. — TKD::Talk 10:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Master Chief Dies
HE DIES! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.125.208 (talk) 14:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * (facepalm) Did you wait until the end of the credits? Peptuck 21:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

---Actually no he doesn't...
 * As far as everyone else is concerned, he is dead. Every single person on Earth believe he is dead and every alien race would have also heard the news that he died. He may have lived, but only Master Chief and Cortana know that he is alive, the the rest of the universe he is dead. JayKeaton 14:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

...If you actually stayed after the credits, he lives, but sleeps in a cryo chamber while Cortana activates a distress beacon. Do you even read things before blurting out random false facts? -- RJ101  (The guy who said pie. 00:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In additiona (and this should maybe go in the article) when you complete the game on legendary, there is an addtional scene in which the portion of the ship e's in drifts towards a planet as the sun comes up over its edge. The planet's surface looks extremely technological.72.86.39.202 04:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)Steve


 * I'd say that it's probably more fitting for the Halo 3 article (where it's already included), at least until more is revealed about how that impacts the Master Chief specifically, if at all. — TKD::Talk 04:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 Screenshot
I added a screencap from Halo 3 of the Chief. I think an example was deserved since the other two games had one. --NLUT —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 14:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Name
The article says his name is Will Dodson, but in The Fall of Reach it says his name is John. Is there are source for Will Dodson? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adzma (talk • contribs) 14:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It was vandalism and has been reverted since then. — TKD::Talk 06:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

John Spartan?
Anyone else think that he could be a reference to John Spartan, from Demolition Man? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.60.183 (talk) 20:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No, considering that John-117 and the SPARTAN-II Project are two separate, but obviously related, entities. In any case, we would need a reliable source to make the connection. — TKD::Talk 21:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's probably just a coincidence.-- 60 Delta  02:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Playable characters
The opening made it sound like there are only 2 playable characters in Halo 3, there are 4. Since the MC is the main character in All three Halo games I just took out the reference to playable characters (I couldn't figure out how to say he was one of 4 in Halo 3 and 2 in Halo 2 without sounding repetitive). If you can figure out a better way to phrase it feel free. Mad031683 22:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see TKD already did Mad031683

Who?
"Others have criticized the character for lack of depth because he speaks infrequently during gameplay." There needs to be citation for this I would put who myself but I'm an IP and it's semi protected.--71.170.106.104 18:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Its properly sourced in the "Impact and reception" section. -  Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  19:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism by 24.176.158.243
Just reverted it to the old article because of whoever thought "Poop" and "Shit" were more appropriate than the content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wraithfive (talk • contribs) 02:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)