Talk:Master of Puppets (song)

Andy Warhol?
I carfuelly listened and I hear no connection what so ever bettwen the riff(s) after the second solo in master of puppets and andy warhol... I really don't.... Is ther a confirmation by metallica or something that the riff used IS andy warhol and not just something simmilar? AnoreX 20:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I do hear the similarities. It's the e minor scale part: e f# g a b c d e f# g c--- c d c b g f# e. Calvero2 13:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

216.170.169.146 18:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)The Master of Puppets riff goes from an E to a C chord, and Andy Warhol goes from Am to F.  It's not the riff right after the solo, it's the second one after the solo.

The song is actually about the cocaine abuse of the other band members (i.e. Ulrich, Hammett, Burton)Iced Dragon1 21:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the point about the similarity between the song and the first level of the DOOM game. I totally agree that it does sound very similar to it, but the game actually borrowes the riff for the first level from coincidentally the song "no remorse" on metallica's "kill em all" album, not master of puppets. You can tell this from listening to the song instantly (from about 1:34 mins) and if you look at webpages about the game's music you will see this.

Holocaust
Hey there brothers, I just edited the article to include the fact that Metallica did not write the bloodied song. I have a copy of "The Metallic-Era" which is a collection of the original versions of songs that Metallica has covered over the years. Couldnt find much of an article on it, but here is a link I found to a product description.

http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,888176,00.html

Tonchiki 07:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

And it has been removed by someone because it was completely false. That album incorrectly has Holocaust as performing a track originally by them... it was written by Metallica, Holocaust merely cover it on that album you link to. Check all other sources as to the writing credits.

If it were the case there'd be much more about how one of Metallica's most popular songs and famous riffs is not their own. All other covers they do 'It's Electric' 'So What' etc. are always credited to their original artists.

--Spoco2 01:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that there should be more controversy about it, but I but do own the product that I linked to, and it is described in the CD book the same as on the web page I linked to. "A compilation of music that Metallica has covered over the years." With Master of Puppets on the track listing, performed by Holocaust. I wont change the article back until we clear this all up though, as I dont have much other evidence as of yet. (If anyone would like to see the CD book with the description and all, I would be more than happy to take a picture.)

Tonchiki 21:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * CD books are notorious for errors. Artists sometimes have enough trouble getting the track listing printed to match what is on the disc. Whoever wrote that sentence has overlooked the fact that not all the songs on the compilation are songs that Metallica has covered. Even Metallica's CD books have errors... Garage Inc's book says Metallica thought about covering the songs Silver Lightning by Paralex and Signal Thunder by Bow Wow. It should read White Lightning by Paralex and Signal Fire by Bow Wow, though also Bow Wow actually has a song called Silver Lightning. --210.55.99.90 23:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Meanings
I added a meanings section, although I feel I did a pretty poor job about it. It could be just me, but I don't like it very much, so if someone would like to extend on it or edit it a bit, I'd appreciate that.

Thanks in advance.

Joetheodd 22:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked at it, and I think you had the right intentions, but it looked as though you were pressed for time in writing the meanings. I clarified it a bit more; I might add to it later.... Cronos12390 22:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was a bit pressed on time. I also realized that I put "controlling so much they have no control" which sounds pretty horrible upon re-reading. I'll fix that.

Not doing cocaine personally, I don't really know what the significance of "chop your breakfast on a mirror" is, but multiple people have said that it's about cocaine.

Joetheodd 01:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, generally cocaine addicts will chop up the stuff on a mirror using a razor blade or something. I think the line refers to the fact that cocaine, or drugs in general, become more important to an addict than anything, including food. In a way, using cocaine in the morning to get a fix is like breakfast for a cocaine addict, really. So, I suppose this goes more to the drug reference. Cronos12390 21:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

well, it's referring to the fact that for a legitimate addict, as the song is describing, when you wake up, you are probably coming down off of any recent high, so to prevent withdrawal sickness, you need to get high again. Hence, breakfast.

And you might chop heroin on a mirror too, but cocaine is more of a "breakfast" than heroin.

Fair use rationale for Image:Metallica - Master of Puppets.jpg
Image:Metallica - Master of Puppets.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 22:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Metallica MasterOfPuppets sample.ogg
Image:Metallica MasterOfPuppets sample.ogg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Stub status removed
Article contains sufficient information. Steven Dudick (talk) 01:52, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

"Master of Puppets" was Burton's favorite song?
I thought that "Orion" was his favorite? That is why Hetfield, Ulrich and Hammett played the song over a speaker at his funeral. I do not remember hearing that Burton's favorite song was "Master of Puppets". Is there any source for this? --Blaguymonkey (talk) 04:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Live Performances Section
I think the Live Performances section of this article needs to be removed!! It would need to be updated on a weekly, sometimes daily basis, to keep the information current. As of this posting, the entire section is outdated. 99.62.22.6 (talk) 02:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 one external links on Master of Puppets (song). Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Attempted to fix sourcing for http://www.totse.com/en/ego/cult_of_the_dead_cow/cdc068.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071118121525/http://www.vh1.com:80/shows/dyn/the_greatest/103446/episode_this_list.jhtml to http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/the_greatest/103446/episode_this_list.jhtml

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

Cheers.—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 10:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC)