Talk:Mastodon (band)/Archive 1

Non encyclopedic and highly biased information in the article
Aonymous user 24.177.1.87 insists upon putting information into the article insulting the band based upon unverifiable personal anecdotes and personal dislike, violating NPOV policy. The following is a copy of the conversation started on his talk page about this:

Mastodon (band)

Please stop inserting insulting comments into the Mastodon (band) article. Your actions likely violate the Wikipedia policy on such matters NPOV and may even constitute vandalism. DreamGuy 12:20, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC) [edit]


 * Reply


 * After carefully considering your comments, I choose no. Although you probably did't intend for this to be a situation in which I could choose to ignore your wishes, I have decided to do so. Also, my actions are not considered "vandalism" as you claim. The general legal definition of vandalism, although differing from state to state, is "malicious destruction of public or private property". I have destroyed nothing through my updating of the Mastodon page, as is proven by your ability to revert the page to its previous form with such ease. Additionally, courts have recently upheld that the content of web sites such as Wikipedia, altered and maintained by an international group of unique users, do not constitute property in either the public or private realms. Therefore, I am not a vandal.


 * However, I did want to say that I tremendously respect the work people like you put into Wikipedia. I especially enjoy the updates you have done to the Jack the Ripper page, excellent work. Although I have decided to continue altering the Mastodon site, you should not take this as a personal insult. Rather, I am enlightening internet users about the vapid nature of this atrocious "musical" ensemble. Keep up the good work on Wikipedia.


 * Yours truly,


 * 24.177.1.87


 * Please read the NPOV policies and follow them. DreamGuy 13:35, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * Dreamguy, I must reiterate my decision not to follow your wishes. I apologize if you disagree with me, but life is full of disappointment and hardship. Also, I took the liberty of correcting the grammar in your initial post. The last sentence was awkwardly worded and made little sense. Don't worry about it, even "published scholars" can have a tenuous hold on the English language from time to time. Have a good day, and look for more updates on the Mastodon page. Cheers.

As is apparent, he does not care the slightest about following Wikipedia policies and is only out to insult the band. DreamGuy 16:53, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

This is why vandalism locks exist; to keep arrogant pseudo-intellectuals from using Wikipedia as a blog. GoodSirJava, 18:29, Sep 23, 2005 (EST)

Disambiguation of genre
The disambiguation link has Mastodon as Progressive Sludge Metal. I suggest changing it to just heavy metal, as this is the first style given in the article, and Progressive Sludge Metal is also dismissed as not widely accepted

"Heavy Metal"
While correct in the same sense that calling King Crimson "Rock" is, it should really read "Progressive Metal," a more accurate and descriptive classification for Mastodon. Besides, it doesnt say "Heavy Metal" in any of the genres!!! Fix it.

Call Of The Mastodon
I created an article on the new release Call of the mastodon but the only way i can get the articles that include the title name to have it act as a link is to make only the first letter of the first word capitalized, while leaving the others lowercased, how can i fix this? you know what, someone just do it for me, please.
 * Fixed it for you. In the future you can use the Move page function to do that. —Slicing (talk) 19:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Internet leak
High quality version (lossless) of Blood Mountain leaked to OiNK September 2, 2006 Braincandle 22:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Influences, Genre
Stop wrecking this article with subjective information and an accumulation of crap in the summary at the top. GoodSirJava 18:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The problem is, Mastodon has had many metal magazines stumped, Troy Sanders said himself in an interveiw for a bass guitar magazine that Mastodon has been labelled as "Whalecore", "Elephant Rock" and "Mammoth Metal". "Noise Metal" has been a term bandied about a lot in the british metal press and amoungst fans in Britain. --KronKron 22:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The important quantity to note is that splitting hairs over metal sub-genres contributes very little to the article; the actual definitions of these sub-genres are incredibly esoteric and subjective, anyway. GoodSirJava 03:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I would say most of the elements of their music suggest that they are a mathcore band, but they've moved away from the Dillinger Escape Plan-esque meter signatures determined by the throw of dice on Leviathan. Compounding the classification difficulties, Wikipedia separates mathcore and math metal into separate articles, whereas I've generally heard the terms used interchangeably. It's a tough call. Cassandra Leo 08:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * although, now that I think about it, they also have a lot in common with sludge metal, and in fact are listed on that style's list of bands on Wikipedia. Cassandra Leo 08:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Both Remission and Leviathan barely sounds like anything the Dillinger Escape Plan has produced. I can see why there are some comparisons (the drumming and leads) but they really don't sound the same. Mastodon's riffs are chunkier, the vocals are not screams and there is barely any industrial sounds. Also, many other metal bands have used the same elements Mastodon use before they did and they are not limited to either them or the Dillinger by a long bloody shot. But Mastodon are a good metal band and produce real music while Dillinger are a god awful noise band and have little to no metal in them. More hardcore, jazz and most importantly noise elements. That is not music in any way or form. -- Markendust
 * Yes, jazz is definitely not a valid musical influence. =/ I do agree though, that the two bands sound nothing alike, and Mastodon doesn't classify as noise metal or math metal. Why not just simply "progressive metal"? Why try so hard to narrowly classify something as subjective as this? 68.35.200.26 13:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Last sentence
I deleted the last sentence that started talking about the genre again. The statement that the were "nu-metal" is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time, haha. I also felt that it was just a rehashing and wasn't needed since the genre was already stated. If you have any problems with it... sorry. user:willsy Oct. 16th, 2006 12:31 AM

yeah, the whole 'Mastodon, is a nu-metal/metalcore' bit at the beginning of biography needs to stop popping up. Regardless of whether or not you disagree with their super fine detailed sub genre, it's redundant because the [much more appropriate] genre is listed at the top. I already editted it once, so let's hope some elitist "metal expert" doesn't edit it again.Super Pixel Advance 23:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree... I hate these guys that are "purists" but listen to complete crap. Hah, have to keep it clean for this place I guess. user:willsy 8:49PM, 16th October 2006

Josh Homme
The person claiming to be Josh Homme at the end of the album actually is Josh Homme. He also sings on one of the tracks on Blood Mountain. I'm editing the article accordingly - it sounds stupid the way it's written at the moment.--*smb 16:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wtf?
"technical sludge metal bands like Neurosis and the Melvins, who they are also influenced by. There is also a clear hardcore influence on the band, unsurprisingly as several of its members previously played in hardcore bands."

LOL. Sludge is a clear influence of hardcore

Doom + Hardcore = Sludge...
 * Read again, you miss understood the sentence. It doesn't state that hardcore is influenced by sludge. --Dexter prog 15:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Returned to Last Version
Just returned this page to a previous version because of the extreme vandalism. I did not make any other edits. CABLEFTW 11:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

alternate tunings
I haven't learned to play most of mastodon's material, but i'm fairly certain that Circle of Cysquatch is in C# standard, only with the low C# tuned to A.

Note that in the intro to Circle of Cysquatch, the high C# string is played unfretted every other note or so. You can see this being played in one of the making the album video clips on the band's official website.

Whoever posted this bit about the alternate tunings, which I don't really see that necessary, should at least go through and see if the songs in "drop A" aren't all in the tuning I refer to. Also, these tunings aren't all that extraodinary. I don't think every band should have a section detailing the different tunings they use. Perhaps a page for an individual song should mention the specific tuning used in that song. But this is kind of extraneous info.


 * Mastodon doesn't use C#, Circle Of Cysqautch is in AGCFAD, low to high. Orion213434 22:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sources in Notes
All links in notes are pointing to the websites instead of the articles

e.g. http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com

instead of

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=63432

the links to the articles should be available in the notes too, shouldn't they? The way it is now it looks really messyEmmaneul 18:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Mastodon Logo.png
Image:Mastodon Logo.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Signing to Warner
Should there be something added to the article about the band moving from Relapse to a major label?


 * As a point of clarity, did they sign to Reprise or to Warner? (reprise is sublabel of warner, and appears on Blood Mountain, oddly so does the Relapse heart signature)Atechi 19:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * They're on Reprise. Orion213434 07:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Questionable Content
I just thought any fans keeping an eye on this article might like to know that Mastadon has been sortakinda mentioned in a recent Questionable Content strip... the chalkboard in the background advertises the specials as Metallica Mocha, Megadeth Milkshakes and Mastadon Muffins. linkity (QC is archival, so even though the strip is literally minutes old as I'm typing this, it shouldn't end up being a victim of linkrot). - Ugliness Man 07:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Mastodon Tribute CD and The Workhorse Chronicles...
While looking for information on The Workhorse Chronicles DVD (That should be added), I also found a tribute disc called "Taste of Chaos Ensemble Perform's Mastodon's Leviathan."

Does anybody think that should be added? Also The Workhorse Chrnonicles DVD?

AKnot 06:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Good album. In my opinion, the fact that the band has a tribute album is worthy of mention. --Orion213434 08:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Everybody has a tribute album nowadays. It's the record industry's newest way of trying to sell more albums without anyone working hard or thinking (ie writing songs!). Kind of like when they used to put out "Greatest Hits" albums for bands that had recorded two or three studio albums (oh, wait they still do that, too...but they're not greedy...). Gimme a break. I suppose it deserves mention, but please let's not make a big deal out of it. Highonhendrix 23:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Festival information
Is it really noteworthy for the article to say they played X festival or Y festival? Digestion 13:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Trivia section
Regarding the "Nipple Tooth" thing: translated from what to what?? Latin, maybe? I will try to find out, if anyone else does first, please clarify this point. It may also be desirable to merge this info into the main body of the article. Two items in the trivia section seems kinda silly to me. Highonhendrix 23:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah i'm deleting the trivia section as that nipple tooth thing seems unlikely in any language and trivia sections are being done away with.68.252.95.232 02:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Jada Pinkett Smith
she mentioned in Q magazine she listens to Leviathan doubt if it's mentionable

Not surprising. Will Smith loves Soilwork Savre 23:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * not really worthy of mention. Savre, look up wicked wisdom.68.252.95.232 02:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Image
I think the free image used in the article should be cropped like the one I made below. I don't know how these "Wikimedia Commons" images work. Is it possible to upload this image and copy-paste the current image info? Any hints? Any opinions? Kameejl (Talk) 23:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all I would like to say that I am the one that decided to use the free image because I check for free images on the other Wikipedias and the Commons for bands that need one. I have no idea that images can be cropped like that though (it is modifying someones work which is the picture they have taken), but it may just work if it is given a license and rationale (although the creator of the image should of done this). I have no clue about it really. Also, whats wrong with seeing a couple "metal"heads in the picture (although they should of aimed the camera higher... to get more of their album backdrop). I also suggest everyone to search for images in my method to add for bands if they don't have one or better yet get a cam and go see them in concert. I just searched just now and this seems like a good replacement: (Mastodon live 2007.jpg). --CircafuciX 04:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The current image doesn't really show the band, though. I mean, yes, they're all standing there playing, but you can't really tell who they are.  It could be any band up there, you know?  Big red01027 19:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Groove and Heavy Metal
I Have added tags to both the links to heavy and groove metal. Heavy metal is just plian redundent, and I do not think it is pluasible to say that Mastodon derrives thier sound from Pantera and thier ilk. That being said, I Am giving any editor who disagrees a chance to find a source for these genres. If a credible source is not up with in 24 hours, I will remove said genres. Johan Rachmaninov (talk) 00:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Nipple Tooth
Do you think they realize that their name means NIPPLE TOOTH? (in greek)

i think they named themselves after the extinct animal. the animal was called nipple tooth because of its tusks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.13.51 (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

"Whalecore"?!
What the hell? Is this a joke? This is obviously not a legitimate genre, and it simply redirects to the Mastodon page when clicked on. Just because some pretentious magazine hack calls a band something (and it's not cited) doesn't mean that something is a legitimate classification. That's how the genre name "shoegaze" came about, but that doesn't legitimize this. The only other "whale-themed" album I've heard is by Ahab, and it's funeral doom. This is a farce. I'm removing it, despite the ridiculous disclaimer against changing the genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratiuglink (talk • contribs) 06:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've removed it before but the tough guy fanboys of the band seem to enjoy the whalecore gag and don't seem to want to let it go. Leave a warning note of some sort if it continues. It'll get tedious in time for sure but I'm not one for comical and irrelevant nonsense on a band's wiki. —Vanishdoom (talk) 07:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Photographs
Hey, I just wanted you guys to know that I found a bunch of photographs from the Mayhem Festival on Flickr under a free liscense (here). If you'd like to use them I suggest you upload them to Wikimedia Commons, if you need any further help with it I'd be happy to help, just drop me a line on my talk page.  REZTER  TALK   &oslash;  00:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Progressive Metal genre...
I just removed the prog metal genre after readding it after someone removeing it (before me); as well as removing it from the prog metal wiki (not the list) because he thinks it's Technical Metalcore. Do you guys think they are progresive metal? For me I think they are.

Discuss...

AKnot 01:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * no, they are not progressive metal. Progressive metal is not just about using complex time signatures, it's way beyond that. See progressive metal for more info. Dexter prog 14:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

--Theotherness 13:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't they be considered progressive metal? Progressive metal is just that: PROGRESSIVE...METAL.  There is no question whatsoever that Mastodon are a metal band, and they constantly progress their sound.  Progressive metal isn't all about sounding like Dream Theater, either.


 * Progressive metal is a mixture of genres which developed from progressive rock. The fact of having complex time signatures is not a valid reason to call a band "progressive metal". Again, this is the 3er time I say it, read progressive metal for more info. -- Dexter prog 22:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * "Progressive metal is a genre of heavy metal music which shares traits with progressive rock including use of complex compositional structures, odd time signatures, and intricate instrumental playing" That's the first sentence in the progressive metal article. Hearts Alive sounds like a pretty prog song to me. --Orion213434 9:06, 1 January 2007
 * When an article cites another article, you have to read the article sited also. "Progressive rock acts often combine elements of jazz and classical music, folk and world music influences with rock formats, often rejecting specific genre norms, and instead utilising relatively uncommon musical structures and ideas. As such, progressive rock can be seen as an approach to songwriting as well as a genre of its own." -- Dexter prog 23:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Progressive metal is a genre of heavy metal music which shares traits with progressive rock including use of complex compositional structures, odd time signatures, and intricate instrumental playing. The high level of musical proficiency is often combined with a lyrical counterpart in the form of epic textual concepts, resulting in lengthy songs and concept albums. As a result of these factors, progressive metal is rarely heard on mainstream radio and video programs, much due to that the length of the songs are not suited for those medias." Sounds like Mastodon to me. Theunknown42 02:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Progressive rock acts often combine elements of jazz and classical music, folk and world music influences with rock formats, often rejecting specific genre norms, and instead utilising relatively uncommon musical structures and ideas. As such, progressive rock can be seen as an approach to songwriting as well as a genre of its own." Sounds not like Mastodon to me. --Dexter prog 16:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about progressive ROCK. We're talking about progressive METAL.  Or were you not paying attention?  And besides, I have not once attempted to state that Mastodon are a progressive ROCK band; I am saying that they are progressive METAL.  And now that everything is settled (and if you're still thinking otherwise, you meaning anybody, then you really need to get a life), let's move on with our lives, shall we?  --Theotherness 9:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Listen to Brann Dailor's drumming. Clearly it is heavily jazz inspired. Anyways, note the phrase "often." That indicates that it is common, but not a requirement. --Orion213434 08:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * @ Theotherness : you really don't know how to read and relate articles, please re-read. --Dexter prog 01:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say they are Prog Metal. Their approach to metal does use elements you wouldn't find in most metal bands. The way I see it is that if Tool are Prog metal, so are these guys. Plus, concept albums are very proggy.

89.243.95.142 13:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

--Ænima 19:52, April 15 2007 Mastodon are progressive metal, they are quoted by many other bands as being such because they are expanding metal in a way no one else could

"includes heavy (and sometimes quite complex and technical) guitar riffs, complex, jazz-influenced drumming, odd time signatures, and long, melodic instrumental interludes, which are all common aspects of the progressive rock genre." Well this is exactly what Black Sabbath, and Iron Maiden, did. And isnt those bands Metal. ??????? How can you say that Mastodon isnt metal? It is modern or progressive or technical...you can argue about that...but hey it is metal! Jaken.--80.216.181.220 08:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think they are progressive. Sounds like Punk Rock sometimes. Definitely not Progressive though. Too heavy for that. When hearing The Wolf Is Loose it sounds like Punk Metal. Savre 23:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh, no. The Wolf Is Loose would be definied as "sludge metal." If you're looking for prog on Blood Mountain, go to "Sleeping Giant", "This Mortal Soil", and "Pendulous Skin." All parts of their concept album. You know, that prog metal uses along with the odd time signatures and complex structure on those songs. -MetalKommandant (talk) 02:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Eric Saner
i don't see how he's notable enough to be included as a former member. the so-called demo he was apart of doesn't seem to be in circulation anywhere publically, he left the band abruptly afterwards, not to mention Lifesblood remains as the band's first "official" release. i propose that he be dropped from both the former member sections of the article in light that the band's line-up honestly hasn't really changed at all since their formation. —Vanishdoom (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

He is a notable former member, because he performed the vast majority of vocals on that demo. It IS still in circulation; it is distributed as Call of the Mastodon. It came out in 2006. But yes, other than that, the band's lineup hasn't changed.


 * It should be pointed out that a former member of a band IS still a former member, no matter how short a time they served in the band. Take, for instance, Jon Dette, who filled in for Paul Bostaph (of Slayer) in 1998. He was only with Slayer for one tour, but he is still listed as a former member of the band on Slayer's Wikipedia page, regardless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.174.219.204 (talk) 00:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Acclaim and success
The intro stated that they had release four albums "finding acclaim and mainstream success with the latest two". Apart from there being no citation for this, arguably they've had acclaim for all of them, especially Leviathan, but since this is a contentious and unfounded statement I've removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.225.16 (talk) 22:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Album symbolism and portrayal?
Shouldnt there at least be a mention on the concept of each album? Or perhaps on the album's own pages? For example how each album represents each of earth's elements, such as Blood Mountain representing earth and 'nature's wrath', March of the fire ants - fire, Leviathan - water, crack the skye - air. Etc etc etc and perhaps an analytical section stating the story within each album? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.192.162 (talk) 17:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Crack the Skye is Mastodon's album on aether not air. The band has said so in interviews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.200.153 (talk) 17:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see a section on the band's philosophy; they obviously have some esoteric influences and are heavy into symbolism, other bands of which this is true often have a "Themes" or "Subject Matter" section where the underpinnings of the work is discussed, and it seems like this band is deserving of one, if any material can be found. 65.103.23.160 (talk) 04:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Classification Question
I wonder if Mastodon shouldn't be labled as progressive metal. I seem to recall several records stores having them (Leviathan) stocked in that area. I personally think they are much more talented than your average "sludge metal" or "power metal" bands. I have also mentioned this in the progressive metal discussion page...--Mikepope 02:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I would personally vote for Sludge. I don't think there are any power metal traits at all in their music, no high pitch vocals, no borind double bass drum patterns and more importantly no extended guitar solos all around the albums. They do have some technical traits when it comes to shifting time signatures and complex arrangements but they don't over do it and I don't think it's a main charachteristic in their sound. Groove would generally sound slower than Mastodon as they do have some up-tempo songs (Iron Tusk, Crusher Destroyer, Island, The Wolf Is Loose...etc). Heavy distortions and loud shouting are sludge characteristics (I'm not much into it) but speed is not really present as much as other types of metal. It comes to the point where you should just enjoy the music without thinking of a certain category. --Aly Hassab El-Naby 21:07, 19 April 2007

Sums it up right there. 147.97.241.121 (talk) 15:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

why does every metal band page on here have an argument about genre? this crap is sooooo moot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.249.156.138 (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Guitar Hero 2
The "In Popular Culture" section claims that the track Sleeping Giant somehow appeared in Guitar Hero 2. I can find no evidence of that or any other Mastodon song being in that particular game (including popping in my copy of the game and checking), but the rest of that section regarding GH3, RB2 etc is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.157.255 (talk) 07:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Death Metal and grindcore elements?
"Their music also includes influences of doom metal, stoner rock, hardcore punk, thrash and some death metal and grindcore."

I can't hear any death metal/grindcore influences at all in their music. There aren't any blast beats, they aren't fast enough and the vocals aren't even near death metal.Nick227 (talk) 16:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed it.16:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick227 (talk • contribs)

There's definitely Thrash/Groove elements in the music. That definitely needs to be added & Progressive/Sludge crap-tegory taken out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.7.154 (talk) 16:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Suggest mergind Troy Sanders. Fails WP:MUSIC: no evidence of notability independent of the band. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Try to improve the article first before make this kind of comment.--Malconfort (talk) 01:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Short of managing his career, I cannot make him notable. Per WP:MUSIC: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article." As he has no solo releases and has not been a member of more than one notable band, he is not notable. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Last call for comments. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC) Merger was reverted with limited explanation. An AfD was opened. The result of the discussion was merge. I have moved over Sanders' additional appearances. (Nothing in the original article was sourced.) - SummerPhD (talk) 14:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Soft Metal
What the hell? Vandalism. I'm removing it. Chrlyon (talk) 12:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation
there is no point in adding a disambiguation to "mastEdon". Anyone can differ an E from an O.

Wikipedia:Disambiguation

"Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic. In many cases, this same word or phrase is the natural title of more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to different topic pages that share essentially the same term in their title."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation

--Dexter prog 16:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes a point. It's for those who misspell a the term and see that there's a band and click on that page. You're not being very courtious to the misspellers of the world. It completely falls in line with the policies on Disambiguation page:
 * Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes "Go", what article would they most likely be expecting to view as a result? (For example, when someone looks up Joker, would they find information on a comedian? On a card? On Batman's nemesis? On the hit song or album by The Steve Miller Band?) When there is no risk of confusion, do not disambiguate nor add a link to a disambiguation page.
 * If someone misspelled Mastedon's name, they may come to this page first that is why I added the see also. Since there's a huge risk of confusion the link should stay. --Walter Görlitz 18:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I would consider adding a link back to the existing disambiguation page if you are somehow offended by the link to a Christian band. --Walter Görlitz 18:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * wikipedia articles don't have disambiguations every time anybody misspells a word, if a word is misspelled the person will realise when he or she reads the article's title. Regarding your example, yes, it is alright because this person is typing "joker" and there are various definitions of that word, but the person is not spelling "jeker" (for example) which is exactly what you keep saying. --Dexter prog 19:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have seen several pages that have disambiguations for slightly different spellings. The following is from Disambiguation, emphasis mine.
 * A user searching for a particular term might not expect the article that appears. Therefore, helpful links to any alternative articles with similar names are needed.
 * There are no guidelines for homonyms or words that are intentionally misspelled. As for your example, if Jeker actually had it own article, then it would make sense to add it to a disambiguation page for the term joker. If Jeker were an anti-hero in the Batman series, or a card name, etc. then it would make sense to add that to those pages as well. Mastedon actually has a page, is a hard rock band and people could come to this page expecting to find information on the band, and I have seen the band's name misspelled several time in publication so that is why I added it here.
 * People misspell thing and make typographical errors all the time. I suggest that we ask some admins to decide since both of us have valid points. --Walter Görlitz 22:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Because I'm sure literally SEVERAL people came here to find information on some shitty jesur-freak prog band who spelled their own name wrong... Jasper420 16:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Can't see the reason for [sic]
Under the legacy and reception section there's this part:

'''"Mastodon are the greatest metal band of their generation - no one else comes close." [sic]'''

Can anyone better at grammar than me explain what part of this is incorrect? It seems OK to me. Only thing could be the use of British-English with "Mastodon are", as opposed to American-English with "Mastodon is". If that's so, surely a regional variation in English doesn't warrant [sic] after it. Anoldtreeok (talk) 08:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Date of formation
Mastodon did not form in "late 1999" as previously stated. They formed on January 13th 2000, this according a post shared on the band's official Facebook page today (January 14th 2012). The date of formation has been changed to the correct information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirrunk (talk • contribs) 18:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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" It was reported to be a concept album that tackles the theme of cancer." That really doesn't sound right to me, maybe it can be rephrased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.98.161.187 (talk) 00:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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