Talk:Matador (Danish TV series)

Spoiler section
I think this should lose its 'stub' status. All that really lacks is a 'spoiler' section, marked so people will know not to read if they don't want to know what happens and how it ends. I'm not a Matador buff, so I will not be the one doing it. Lilac Soul 13:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm from Denmark and I am very curious. I have a little question: Have Matador ever been shown on foreign telly?


 * Yes, on several occations. The most unexpected place is probably Bosnian TV which showed it during the Bosnian war. The complete list counts more than 20 countries including Australia, Bosnia, Estonia, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Naming
Are there any sources for the claim: "It is named after the Danish version of the board game Monopoly."? I know this game appears in one of the episodes, but it is strange to name the whole series after this little event. I would find it more likely that another meaning of the word "matador" is intended, namely "succesful businessman", refering to Mads Skjern. Apus 09:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The name is from the boardgame. The same way the boardgame has given name to the danish translation of tycoon ("succesfull businessman" as you say). The point is that Mads Skjern ends up with all he ever wanted, more or less owning the entire town. There is a reason the final line in the series is: "Mads har det hele", "Mads has got everything" Carewolf 12:42, 12 December 2006 (CET)


 * The exact phrase is "Ja Mads, han har alt." (Yes, Mads he's got everything) :) but you are right. I should have pointed out that the game gave its name to the word for an exceptionally succesful businessman.  Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I've cleaned it up a bit. But it is probably not a coincidence that a group of characters play this game in episode 11. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Removal of "internet poll" paragraph
I've (hopefully temporarily) removed the following paragraph:


 * A 2006 Internet poll on the Matadoronline website established the season 3 finale Hr. Stein (ep. 18) as the most popular among the series' viewers, with 37% of the votes. Many critics consider this episode the pathos highpoint of the series, as it depicts the nationwide Rescue of the Danish Jews in late 1943. When Nazi authorities in occupied Denmark on August 29, 1943 ordered that Danish Jews be arrested and deported to Germany, many Danes and Swedes took part in a collective effort to evacuate the roughly 8,000 Jews of Denmark by sea to nearby neutral Sweden, leaving a mere 161 Danes victims to the Holocaust at the end of World War Two. In this episode 18 of Matador, the national rescue is represented by Korsbæk's until then anonymous Jewish banker Mr. Stein, who is assisted to refuge in a collective effort by both main families of Korsbæk, who otherwise through the entire series is locked in a constant hostile rivalry.

There are serious problems with sourcing there. Matadoronline's standing (or lack of such) to establish the popularity or otherwise of a program with its viewing public is not explored. The item is labelled as "trivia" but at the same time it is tagged (not shown above) as a spoiler so presumably the reader would not expect to see the information given in a trivia section. Most of the paragraph is speculation or ascription of opinions to unidentified "many critics" (No original research).

If this is a significant episode (and at first sight it does look like a good candidate), it's a well written paragraph and belongs somewhere in the article, but we need better sourcing. If the Danish press has commented on the poignance and pathos of this episode, we should cite, and quote, those commentators who have done so.

And as I suggested earlier, if this is significant it doesn't belong in a trivia section. --Tony Sidaway 13:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you are going to have a hard time finding such a source. The claims are true but they don't belong on Wikipedia. WP:OR and WP:V specifically require reliable secondary sources to verify all information. The criteria for inclusion is verifiability, not truth. It's not that I don't think it's well written or true for that matter - it just doesn't belong here. EconomicsGuy 06:05, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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Social climber
I have removed "social climber" from the lead, since Mads Skjern is not one as I understand the term. He does rise swiftly on society, but he does not try to join the high society of the town. He despises them. "A daddy's boy living off abusiness he has himself created" he calls one of them. He is alarmed when the possibility of a marriage between his daughter and the son of the leading family in town is brought up. --Klausok (talk) 17:01, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Speaking from personal interpretation, it's not that clear. He fight's the "old guard", but wants to be in it and becomes part of it. The final shot shows him enjoying accomplishing this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2019 (UTC)