Talk:Matan Vilnai

vilnai
I see there is no page on Wikipedia for Matan's father, Zeev Vilnai, who was a genuine pioneer in "Israelogy" and wrote the first guidebooks and anthologies of "Israel lore." Anyone want to start one?--Gilabrand 12:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The "Sho`ah" Comment
I am Israeli. "shoah" is used in Israel all the time by whomever with no reference to WWII holocaust. It just means "disaster". The guys who translated that are complete idiots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.255.102 (talk • contribs) 06:27, 2 March 2008

To this point, the reference for Vilnai's holocaust remark only gives the title of the Reuters article, a link, and the fact that it was a Reuters article. I have tried to find some more information. I am pasting it here, because I honestly still do not know how to insert new information into an article and reference it.

Israel minister warns Palestinians of "holocaust" By Adam Entous and Joseph Nasr 29 Feb 2008 "The more Qassam (rocket) fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger holocaust because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Vilnai told Army Radio. (Additional reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; Writing by Adam Entous and Joseph Nasr; Editing by Ralph Boulton)

Ynet.co.il copied the Reuters report to http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3512978,00.html and kept the English translation, "Holocaust." I checked it because I understand it to be the online version of the Yedioth Ahronoth, a right-wing newspaper.

The Guardian also had a story on this and kept the Hebrew word Shoah. Israeli minister warns of Palestinian 'holocaust' Staff and agencies 29 Feb 2008 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1 "The more Qassam [rocket] fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai, Israel's deputy defence minister, told army radio. Shoah is the Hebrew word normally reserved to refer to the Jewish Holocaust. It is rarely used in Israel outside discussions of the Nazi extermination of Jews during the second world war, and many Israelis are loath to countenance its use to describe other events.

The Times Online (Times Newspapers, Ltd) had an article, as well. Israel threatens to unleash 'holocaust' in Gaza 01 Mar 2008 “The more Qassam fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger holocaust because we will use all our might to defend ourselves,” Matan Vilnai, the Deputy Defence Minister said.

The use of the term "holocaust" is usually restricted to descriptions of the Nazi genocide of the Jews in Europe in the Second World War, and many Israelis resent its use in any other context. Mr Vilnai’s deployment of the word appeared to show Israel’s growing frustration that Hamas and other militant groups in Gaza refuse to curb their attacks, despite heavy tolls inflicted in Israeli air strikes and tank raids.

As Israeli media relayed his controversial comments, Mr Vilnai’s spokesman was forced to issue a clarification. “The minister used the Hebrew term 'shoah' which means 'catastrophe' and in this context does not refer to the 'the Shoah' - the Holocaust,” he said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld (talk • contribs) 15:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ugh, how do I force line breaks using Wikicode? And what happened to the new comment from the Israeli who said that the word shoah is used nowadays without necessarily referring to the holocaust? I am so sorry. PinkWorld (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)Pink


 * I have moved the (previously poorly placed) comment you refer to into this section. To force line breaks type:  Also minor point: Yedioth Ahronoth is a centrist newspaper.  Rami R  16:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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