Talk:Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat./Archive 1

Genres
"Do Nothing/Bitchslip" is original-Progressive/Death/Grind/Thrash-version from the "Me Inside" on Slipknot."


 * sigh* blurb referencing multiple revered genres in a desparate attempt to rub shoulders with them is unbecoming. Anyone who could stop sucking off this band long enough to actually LISTEN to some Prog/Death/Grind/Thrash would be able to tell that there is no similarity whatsoever.

Moved
I moved this: ''*Contrary to popular belief, "Purity" and "Frail Limb Nursery" did not in fact appear on MFKR or the self-titled digipack sent to Roadrunner Records, but were axed from the Roadrunner debut after www.crimescene.org decided to sue, as "Purity" was based on a story from the site, and "Frail Limb Nursery" was a half-minute instrumental leading on to "Purity". The tracks were the 7th and 8th on the album, and with their removal, the album was reissued with "Me Inside" in place of these two tracks preceding "Tattered and Torn".'' to the self-titled albums page where it belongs. I also editted it.

I replace "Crows". This is correctly written as "Crowz".

eBay
Not sure how to make my own message (new to wikipedia) but I just removed the part about one selling on ebay for over $600 and put in the fact that today one just sold on ebay for $760.

Musical Style
If you disagree with the descriptions, make sure that you have actually listened to the cd either on youtube by searching mfkr, on your own copy or here. You change but not if it's the likes of "its purely metal". I have nothing against the song Confessions but I certainly don't think it's metal.

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Requiem
I have a song named requiem but I'm not quite sure i it's truly from slipknot... my computer says it's from MFKR--Sheish 6 Sheish 03:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

NOT a "demo"
While the band has, in a sense, "disowned" the MFKR album, it is NOT a demo by any means. It was fully mixed and mastered and had several thousand copies pressed. 64.53.37.3 (talk) 08:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The band has on many occasions said that it is a demo, there was only ever 1000 original copys and it was later re-pressed without the bands permission. They haven't "disowned" the album, they are aware of it and accept it as part of the band's history but it is a demo, it's what they used to give to record labels to try get signed it's not a commercial album.  Rezter  TALK  10:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If anybody can provide a reliable source to claim that MFKR is an album pelase provide it and then change it back to an "album" but MFKR1.com is not a official site or a reliable source.  Rezter  TALK  09:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The site still contains several interviews and quotes from band members, past and present, and from what I've seen they all refer to it as an album. I kinda figured it wasn't exactly an official site, but the quotes were what did it for me. 64.53.37.3 (talk) 05:05, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

RfC: Is this a Demo Album or a Studio Album
Is Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat a demo album or a studio album?

Statements by editors previously involved in dispute


 * The band named their third album Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses) (after Slipknot (album) and Iowa (album)) to even clear up the dispute about them considering this a demo.
 * There was only 1000 copies made and was mainly distributed between record labels and radio stations, which is the aims of a Demo album.
 * There was only 1000 copies made and was mainly distributed between record labels and radio stations, which is the aims of a Demo album.


 * The official site refers to MFKR as an album, never a demo, several times. I can think of several other albums that are out of print now but are not demos
 * The official site refers to MFKR as an album, never a demo, several times. I can think of several other albums that are out of print now but are not demos


 * MFKR1.com is NOT the official site.
 * MFKR1.com is NOT the official site.


 * Regardless, the site contains various quotes from Slipknot members clearly referring to MFKR as an album, not a demo.
 * Regardless, the site contains various quotes from Slipknot members clearly referring to MFKR as an album, not a demo.

Attempt at Mediation: Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. issue
Because I was just too damn lazy to write everything out again, this post was copy-pasted from the talk page of the Wikipedia article on Slipknot... for the purposes of this discussion I've expanded the original post to include the relevant site MFKR1.com, which appears to contain a petition to convince Slipknot to rerelease MFKR. Certain sections have also been expanded... I advise the concerned parties to read these as well. I respectfully advise everyone involved in this debate to read my post carefully, to draw your own educated conclusions about the matter.

Before I go on, I would like to state my opinion on this issue... I personally do not listen to Slipknot, and I'm sure I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable about the band as all of you are. But from what I can see, Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. can hardly be called an album. There exists a similar situation with the band Tool: their first-ever release, 72826, shares many similarities with the Slipknot release Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat.


 * Both MFKR and 72826 were self-released by their respective bands.
 * Both MFKR and 72826 were of limited supply, and now are valuable collector's items.
 * Both MFKR and 72826 were released in the early days of their respective bands.
 * Slipknot has refrained from rereleasing MFKR. Tool has refrained from rereleasing 72826.
 * Songs from MFKR (specifically "Slipknot" and "Gently") have appeared on later Slipknot albums. Likewise, songs from 72826 (specifically "Hush," "Crawl Away," and "Sober") have appeared on later Tool albums.

See, 72826 is explicitly classified as a demo. And judging by the similarities between both works, MFKR should also be classified as a demo. There's additionally at least another instance of very circumstantial evidence that seems to imply MFKR is a demo: Paul Gray, the bassist of Slipknot, was quoted as saying in an interview with Slipknot-Metal, "... Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. was just a demo that we recorded ourselves ... I don't even consider that a "record." Furthermore, the obvious demo Roadrunner Records Demo was released by Slipknot after MFKR... I believe it's perfectly normal for a band to release two demos, while it's heavily unusual for a band to release a demo after a produced album.

Now then, user 64.53.37.3 mentioned an interesting site, MFKR1.com, that seems to be dedicated to informing Slipknot fans of the band's early history. However I must call their site's design into question... they label themselves as the "official Mate Feed Kill Repeat [sic] website" and yet they appear to be completely unrelated to the band or its label. The fact that they also misspell the album's name further calls their reliability into question. It's a bit like Company X establishing an "official" website for Product Y, which was originally manufactured by Company Z and not Company X... I'm honestly surprised these people haven't been sued. I additionally can't help but notice that the article for MFKR cites MFKR1.com as a source when referring to MFKR's presumed status as an album... if I may make another analogy, it's a bit like citing my drunken friend as well as the ramblings of pre-Columbus religious fanatics on an article that states that the Earth is flat. If MFKR1.com lies about their official status, that's in my opinion pretty much a death sentence regarding anything else they may have to say on the subject.

To me at least, this issue seems pretty clear-cut in terms of mediation. I hold that the following courses of action should be taken to resolve the issue:


 * The Wikipedia article on Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat., as well as all other articles which mention Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat., should mention that it's a demo rather than a full album.
 * A section may be added to the article on MFKR stating something along the lines of "it is a common debate amongst Slipknot fans whether Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. is a full album or a demo. Evidence has been presented on both sides, etc." That should be the extent that the article refers to this conflict and its resolution.

People can contribute in an educated fashion to the discussion, but until I see sufficient evidence implying otherwise, I hold that the Slipknot release Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat. is to be classified as a demo rather than a studio album.

If anyone needs any further clarification on the issue, drop me a line at my talk page. --Kagetsu Tohya (talk) 20:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

MFKR DEMO ALBUM
According to this sources...:


 * "link to the source" and "the quote"
 * p.46
 * "Slipknot's mission was to record a demo-album - which would eventually be titled Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat."
 * p.50
 * "McMahon further recalls a particularly humorous moment during the album's recording"
 * p.62
 * "The album itself stands today as a promising first effort, featuring a few rudimentary versions of tracks such as 'Only one' and 'Tattered and Torn' which would eventually come to their ultimate fruition on the Slipknot album three years on."
 * "Shawn Crahan admits that even he doesn't own one. 'At the time, that first album was the best thing ever,' he told hiponline.com. 'It's a sick, demented, magical album. But we don't support it anymore."
 * p.132
 * "The band record a series of demo, releasing their eight-track debut Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat."
 * p.19
 * "Although they loved playing live, the band were keen to get a record deal sand wanted to have a demo to five to prospective labels."
 * "In early 1996, the band started to collect all their recorded work together with a view to putting out an album."
 * p.19
 * "When you have six motivated muscicians in a band, things move rapidly, and at the very end of the year Shawn, Joey and Josh visited a local recording studio, SR Audio, located in the Des Moines suburb of Urbandale, to record an album."
 * p.20
 * "Firstly, the band were booked into the studio in December to record a debut album."
 * p.118
 * "The newly re-christened sextet saw out 1995 by heading into Des Moines' SR Audio studio to work on a demo."
 * "tracks like 'Slipknot', 'Only One', 'Gently' and 'Tattered and Torn' would resurface on future recordings."
 * p.123
 * "No further pressings of MFKR were made and the album, which the band regard as strictly a demo, has become a sought-after rarity."
 * CD
 * "The band recorded their self produced and self distributed debut demo album Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat.."
 * The Metal Observer MFKR review
 * Well not exactly since this album was only printed to a number of 1000 copies and was soon lost in the empty void of the past. Even now, SLIPKNOT-members don't talk much about their true first release.(...)Another interesting fact with this CD is that it contains songs that can be found on their self-titled CD ["Only One" and "Tattered & Torn" as well as other riffs here and there from the other songs] and also "Gently" which should appear on their 3rd release "Iowa".
 * Sputnikmusic MFKR review
 * "The album kicks off with the 7 minute tune Slipknot.(...)This among other songs is what merits the album the 'experimental' tag.(...)This Slipknot's best album(...)I give the album a...3.75/5(...)"
 * AllmusicGuide MFKR review
 * "Originally released on Halloween 1996, the Lincoln, NE-based indie outpost -ismist Recordings picked up the album for distribution in summer 1997.(...)but the group manages to integrate a healthy sense of variety across the album."
 * AllmusicGuide MFKR bio
 * On Halloween 1996, Slipknot self-released an album called Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat., which began to build a buzz around the group once it found its way to several labels.(...)Slipknot recorded their official, self-titled debut album, which was released in 1999.
 * Roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net news
 * "SLIPKNOT's self-released demo album from 1996, entitled "Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat","
 * Rollingstone Slipknot album Review
 * The band's second LP is metal with a capital m(...)(talking about 99's self-titled album)
 * Biography on official MFKR website
 * Soon Shawn contacted Mike Lawyer, due to an interest in recording some studio work.(...)The band soon started work on their first project, dubbed, MFKR. "Mate Feed Kill Repeat". (...)During his arrival, the MFKR album was already in its mixing stages. The mixing of MFKR was anything but smooth, each song being remixed many times.(...)The album was sent out to many people and a person named Sophia at a local station KKDM managed to hear it and liked it.(...)The band continued the onslaught of supporting their debut Mate Feed Kill Repeat. According to ISMIST records the distributor, there were only 1000 copies of this made and distributed by the band as a promotional tool.
 * FAQ on official MFKR website
 * What is "Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat."? and where do I get it? - Shawn explains "In 96 we made our first album called, "MATE. FEED. KILL. REPEAT." And that album was, basically, a kind of soul searching musical experience. We decided that we were going to experiment with a whole bunch of different musical styles to which we would assemble under the name SLIPKNOT". This RARE ass album is now out of print. Only 1,000 copies were ever made. By the time the record was released officially through Distributor -ISMIST, their were only about half left, most were given away as promo's during gigs.
 * Facts on official MFKR website
 * The album cost around $15,000 to record, mix, master, and reproduce.(...)Slipknot dedicated the album to(...)
 * "Crowz" was recorded, and re-recorded, and re-recorded... Before Slipknot got signed they were working on a "revised" MFKR with better produced versions of those songs, along with newer stuff that was written with Corey on vocals, This was to do two things: 1) Give them a quality demo to shop to labels. 2) If not signed, they could put it out independently as a replacement for MFKR. Some of this stuff was recorded at SR with Sean McMahon, some was done at Juniors' Motel in Otho. It really depended on what was needed at the time. Some of those songs have many multiple versions and mixes. For example, there are at least two versions of 'Prosthetics' that I have heard prior to the S/T. Some songs, like Snap, were done quickly at Otho and sent out as a demo to give record companies something new compared to MFKR.
 * matefeedkillrepeat.com
 * Welcome to MateFeedKillRepeat.com - the only website dedicated to supplying reliable and accurate information about the legitimacy of the Slipknot Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. album.
 * Black-Goat.com MFKR facts
 * MFKR, otherwise known as Mate Feed Kill Repeat was Slipknot's very first album, created in 1996. The album is very experimental, covering a wide range of styles and genres. The album is very rare and is now out of print, only 1000 copies were ever made and when distributor -Ismist picked it up only half were left, the rest being given out as promos at gigs, etc... . You can find one of these albums at EBay rock memorabilia for the hefty price of $350.
 * Within the MFKR album there are(....)
 * 742617000027: This number is the barcode number on the Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat album (....)
 * Black-Goat.com facts
 * Slipknot's self-titled second album was re-released after Corey Taylor
 * MFKR, otherwise known as Mate Feed Kill Repeat was Slipknot's very first album, created in 1996. The album is very experimental, covering a wide range of styles and genres. The album is very rare and is now out of print, only 1000 copies were ever made and when distributor -Ismist picked it up only half were left, the rest being given out as promos at gigs, etc... . You can find one of these albums at EBay rock memorabilia for the hefty price of $350.
 * Within the MFKR album there are(....)
 * 742617000027: This number is the barcode number on the Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat album (....)
 * Black-Goat.com facts
 * Slipknot's self-titled second album was re-released after Corey Taylor

it has been deduced that MFKR is a demo album on the Talk:Slipknot (band) (if the discussion is not over there, it is in the archive).-- Lykantrop (Talk) 19:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Carve / Before I Forget
I removed a point from the page that went as follows:


 * "Before I Forget" uses the same guitar riff from an unreleased track entitled "Carve". "Carve" was recorded after MFKR in an un-released EP entitled "Crowz" before the band's self-titled album.

The Slipknot wikipedia project appears to have taken the stance that per WP:V, all mention of "Crowz" should be removed from Slipknot pages. There seems to be no evidence of such an album ever being in the works, at least under that name. However, the fact that the off-album song "Carve" contains a guitar riff that was recycled in Before I Forget, a major single, certainly warrants inclusion at the Before I Forget article or the Vol. 3 article. If someone has a spare moment and if it's not already mentioned over there, it would be great to pop that in. Warhorus (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)