Talk:Matharu

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The Matharus predominatly made up of Sikh Sirdars mainly work in the Trades. Most of them in the farming and metalwork areas. Known for their strength and skill in working inate objects to pieces of cultivation and art.

Matharus are also have profession as farming & many of them are Zamindars doing farming on large scale these days in Punjab. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.7.132.71 (talk) 09:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed typo errors, spelling mistakes, and mainly the clan and trade definition. Kpreet39 (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Very odd content
Hi user named Sikh-history

"Scholars such as H. A. Rose, believe that they are descended from the Sakas, the Kushans and the Huns."
 * In your edit of 21ST November 2009 where you added into this article the following

Where is the specific reference page in your citation ??

There is no separate listing of Matharu in any of the three volumes of A H Rose.
 * On page 457 volume III under Tarkhan - Matharia are listed and not Matharu,.
 * there is absolutely no mention of descent of anyone Matharu, or Tarkhan from Sakas , or Kushan or Huns

If there is a page that says as you quote ….please mention it.


 * I also find strangely that anonymous ids seem to be making very simillar disingenuous  content to yours on many pages and categories.

I hope you will provide the specific reference page for the citation you have provided .Otherwise your repeated misquotes on various articles is getting  really odd. Intothefire (talk) 18:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * and your WP:Stalking, WP:Lawyering and lack of WP:Assume Good Faith is getting rather tiresome. Thanks--Sikh- History 08:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Response 1 from Intothefire to the user named Sikh History
 * But why dont you provide a specific page number from a book you cite ?? ...instead of evasively quoting rules to me.
 * Apparently we simply happen to be interested in common topics ...and I am repeatedly finding insertions of content with odd/misuse  of  incomplete citations  by you on various pages.
 * You are an editor, and it would be befitting an editor to not insert unreferenced , or phony  citations and content as you have done blatantly also  for example on the Khatri page which I requested you to clarify  on the Khatri Talk page . Your respone there as well "Will take a look when I get a chance" was at best facetious .I could provide other examples as well.
 * It is safe to assume then that your inability to provide a proper page no and volume number is proof of a fake citation and content once again.
 * Intothefire (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, the reference to H. A. Rose was originally added by an anon editor Special:Contributions/210.7.132.71 in November 2007, as part of a long series of edits. Although I have not found copy of Rose's original work, I have also since reinstated this citation in good faith when it has been deleted from this article without explanation. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fayenatic thanks for the intervention but,Intothefire's WP:Stalking, WP:Lawyering and lack of WP:Assume Good Faith is getting tiresome. Thanks anyway.--Sikh- History  19:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I haven't checked any previous contributions by either of you. Intothefire's tone above is rude and fails WP:AGF. However, on this occasion he appears to be correct on the point of fact. I just looked up H. A. Rose's book at Google Books and can't find Matharu or Matharoo in Volume 1 or in volume 3 L-Z. So it seems that you and I have both been reinstating it in good faith but in error. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well, such is the life of an Editor, unfortunately, WP:AGF means sometimes we don't delve more deeply into the references. Pk Mohanty's book may be of value here. Thanks--Sikh- History 09:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Deecan
Can someone explain what Deecan tribe is, i am unable to find anything regarding this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.30.234.54 (talk) 19:09, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Jat Gotras Namesake

 * Matharu = Mathatræi (Pliny.vi.32).

Mention by Pliny
Pliny  mentions Arabia.........the Ilisanitæ, the Bachilitæ, the Samnæi, the Amitei, with the towns of Nessa55 and Cennesseris, the Zamareni, with the towns of Sagiatta and Canthace, the Bacascami, the town of Riphearma, the name by which they call barley, the Autei, the Ethravi, the Cyrei and the Mathatræi, the Helmodenes, with the town of Ebode, the Agacturi, dwelling in the mountains, with a town twenty miles distant, in which is a fountain called Ænuscabales56, which signifies "the town of the camels." 55 Agatharchides speaks of a town on the sea coast, which was so called from the multitude of ducks found there. The one here spoken of was in the interior, and cannot be the same.

56 Hardouin observes, that neither this word, nor the name Riphearma, above mentioned, has either a Hebrew or an Arabian origin.

History
Matharus are known to be of the same stock as the Jat and Kamboj castes as they are a purely Indo-Scythian tribe. A very proud and fiercely independent people, they are amongst the wealthiest and most educated clans of India.Scholars believe that have originated originally from Mathura & were original Jats from that region who emigrated to Punjab and took up carpentry along with Landowning & Farming.

Scholars such as H.A. Rose believe that they are descended from the Sakas, the Kushans and the Huns. According to the Manu Smriti, they (the Sakas) are originally of Kshatriyadescent. In Sanskrit, they are known as Ayogavas, which is more akin to Vaishyas, but are considered degraded Kshatriyas.

Historically, Matharu's occupations have included landowning, farming, politics and military. In Punjab they originate from the regions of Amritsar, Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur, Lahore and Ludhiana. MATHARU name features on one of the marble slabs on Harmandir Sahib's premises (AMRITSAR, India). It is told by family elders that Matharus also built battleships in olden times for attack and defense, and that a canon in the Ranthambore(RAJASTHAN, India) Fort also bears the name MATHARU. Matharus fought in the armies of Prithviraj Chauhan, a wise, brave and famous Warrior King of Ajmer, Rajasthan, who has the credit of unifying the embattled, beleaguered small and large kingdoms and fiefdoms of Rajasthan into one powerful force to reckon with.

Matharu were fierce Warriors. (Fought number of wars in History with Prithvi Raj & Jassa Singh Ramgharia).A spirited clan,they love to work hard and live well. Known for being a highly ambitious and progressive tribe, Matharus are now diversified into many other professions like Engineering, Science, medicine, research, Politics, law & entrepreneurship. 142.160.95.179 (talk) 06:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Matharu are Hardcore Jatt Clan.
https://sikhi.fandom.com/wiki/Matharu

Matharus were fierce warriors especially during, the time when the Matharu tribe, had converted to Sikhism; they fought numbers of wars for Guru Gobind Singh, Banda Singh Bahadur and Jassa Singh Ramgarhia.

'Matharu or Matharoo (ਮਠਾੜੂ in Gurmukhī script) is a prominent Sikh clan belonging to the Jatt tribe.

Sir Denzil Ibbetson counted the Matharus as one of the major Jatt tribes of the Punjab and the Northwest Frontier Province, centred in Amritsar, Jalandhar, Lahore and Ludhiana.

The origin of Matharu was a Jatt clan.Later they were thought of Ramgharia / Tarkhan /Jatt etc. Matharu Jatts are dominant in some villages of Punjab including Jattana, Chounkimaan, Nakodar and areas around Moga. Matharus are widely known as successful landowning farmers through Punjab today. Matharus claiming Jadaun Rajput ancestry are found in Sialkot, Narowal, Gujranwala, Hoshiarpur, Jalandhar, Patiala and Ludhiana districts.

Variant forms of the name include Matharoo, Matharu, Matharo, Mathru and Matroo. Matharu’s live in Canada, India, U.K., USA etc.

They originate from the regions of Amritsar, Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur, Lahore and Ludhiana in Punjab. The name Matharu appears on one of the marble slabs on the premises of the Harmandir Sahib (Golden Temple) in Amritsar. Matharus built battleships in olden times, and a cannon in the Ranthambore Fort at Rajasthan also bears the name Matharu. Matharus also built weapons for and fought in the armies of Guru Gobind Singh, Prithviraj Chauhan and Akbar.

In 1984, the Sikh extremist leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale started a Sikh militancy against the Indian Government for creating an independent Sikh state in Punjab to Khalistan. A great number of Matharus and its village of Chaunkiman in Jagroan, Punjab were among the sikhs who supported him.

The Punjab Gazetteer says of the Matharus, in a description of the Amritsar District,They possess all the good qualities and martial spirit. Thus in the military atmosphere they have the honour to share up to this day, with their allies, the topmost position among the Brotherhood of Lions. 142.160.95.179 (talk) 06:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for stating your source, but fandom.com does not count as a reliable source for Wikipedia articles. Please read WP:Reliable sources.
 * If you think Denzil Ibbetson is worth quoting, then please find the relevant District Gazetteer or volume of A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Province at archive.org and provide a full citation. However, when I traced such a citation myself several years ago, another editor removed it on the grounds that Ibbetson's classification of Indian social groups was not reliable either. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

This could be a decent disambiguation page
for people with this surname. Cut the facts, fables or whatever about any clan. Of course the article would then have to be retitled. 126.157.199.91 (talk) 04:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)