Talk:Matthew Macklin

British/Irish
I was asked to check British nationality law, so I did.

"Under the law in effect from 1 January 1983, a child born in the UK to a parent who is a British citizen or 'settled' in the UK is automatically a British citizen by birth. "'Settled' status in this context usually means the parent is resident in the United Kingdom and has the right of abode, holds Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR), or is the citizen of an EU/EEA country and has permanent residence. Irish citizens in the UK are also deemed to be settled for this purpose."

Macklin was born in Britain to Irish parents whoa re settled in the United Kingdom. He meets the criteria for British citizenship and therefore has been granted it. This makes him British/Irish.

I'll be reverting the article soon enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.4.221 (talk) 19:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You did not read it particularly well, since Macklin was born in 1982. And if you want to describe him as British, you should be able to provide a source confirming he has British nationality? O Fenian (talk) 19:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Additionally, even if he was born after 1983, I think you are mixing nationality up with citizenship.--Vintagekits (talk) 19:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It still applies. British nationality law is proof of his nationality.

And Vintagekits, citizenship IS nationality. Sorry but nationality CANNOT be passed down from your parents, it is not hereditary nor is it the same as ethnicity. If you move to a country, live there for a few years and receive citizenship, that is your nationality.

For example - TS. Eliot was British-American. Freddie Mercury became British, and rejected his Indian heritage. Slash is no longer British, he is American. Gene Simmons is no longer Israeli, he is American.

All you need is citizenship, and you have changed your nationality. There's nothing British or Irish or anything in our blood, in our DNA - all it is is the nation that we have tagged ourselves to, and you can quite easily change it via naturalisation and aquiring citizenship. In this case, he is British-Irish, unless you can find me proof that he has rejected his British nationality, which may be the case.

If you can find me a source proving that he stresses that he isn't British, I will gladly accept defeat in this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.100.65 (talk) 10:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you can't find a source, I'll just have to revert it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.72.55 (talk) 18:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Nationality
A recurring issue i see looking at the above? As you Ruairi Og's like to use press articles to back up the nationality field, then this must be proof that he is of Britisih nationality as well then, as it states: "Macklin, a heavy underdog in this fight, burst on to the scene in 2001 as one of British boxing’s brightest prospects,". Mabuska (talk) 10:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC) Macklin has an Irish passport and self identifies as Irish not British. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruairí Óg's (talk • contribs) 10:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * And does it say he rejected British nationality? Who says you have to be exclusively of one nationality especially seeing as you can be of dual nationality. Mabuska (talk) 10:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Matthew mam is from tipp his da is from rossi so that makes him 100 percent irish. 93.107.57.188 (talk) 06:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

If you can find a source in which he says he is British then we will talk. He self identifies as Irish and I have provided a source to prove that. You are the most anti-Irish editor on wikipedia. shame on you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruairí Óg's (talk • contribs) 10:53, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can identify as being Irish (due to being born on this island) however that doesn't make me an Irish citizen. I can describe myself as Northern Irish but i can still be a British citizen. Self-idenfiying as something doesn't change your citizenship unless you actually change it. Mabuska (talk) 11:53, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Show me where he self identifies as British, and I will show you a picture of him drapping the tricolour around his shoulders. Your refusal to accept anything Irish hightlights your nasty bitter twisted POV. Try using sources and facts as opposed to POV and you will find people are a lot easier to deal with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruairí Óg's (talk • contribs) 12:03, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

He was born and raised in this country, has lived here for most/all of his life and has British citizenship. This makes him British.

Until you can provide a source proving he has rejected his Britishness, he is British. Please go back to being banned VK, things are better when you aren't messing around with nationalities. 90.196.241.238 (talk) 02:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Professional record
"Many who watched this match are of the opinion that Macklin was in fact the winner. The judges call that he lost by a "hairs breadth" seems odd when you watch the match itself. Whatever the facts; it is clear that Macklin was the pluckier and more active fighter of the two, displaying an incredible drive that kept Sturm on a constant defensive." Seems non-encyclopaedic language and no citations for it. I'm removing this unless someone can provide a citation and word it better. 94.170.25.203 (talk) 23:19, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Anyone (who's not German) who watched that fight knows that Macklin won it clearly, outworking Sturm throughout the fight. 202.159.154.3 (talk) 10:06, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Flags
I'm loathe to reopen this can of worms, but someone changed his flag on Sergio Martínez (boxer). Is there any chance of reaching a conclusion? Perhaps someone without an axe to grind, and who knows more about boxing than me, could suggest an answer? Dolive21 (talk) 12:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * After three years, the can should be reopened. This RfC was inconclusive, but I maintain the same stance as I did back then. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC)