Talk:Maud of Gloucester, Countess of Chester

Name
Matilda is the name always given in twelfth-century documents contemporary with her life. Maud is a later variation of that name, the way Jack may be used for John.

The claim that she was known as "FitzRobert" or "fitz Robert" (the latter more common to the period) is highly unlikely because of the derivation of the word fitz. It is an abbreviation of the Latin word filius meaning son of. The erroneous assumption may be based on the fact that her father, Robert earl of Gloucester, was the illegitimate son of King Henry I and, in later centuries, filius or fitz was used to indicate illegitimacy. Surnames were just developing in the early 12th century when she was born and there were many filius and filia (masculine and feminine forms for son of and daughter of) designations for legitimate children for those with no surnames. Matilda was the legitimate daughter of Robert earl of Gloucester and so might have been referred to as filia Robertus. Filia was never abbreviated as fitz in her lifetime.DeAragon 12:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Ancestry
The ancestry tree in this article shows her maternal grandfather, Robert Fitzhamon (d. 1107) as the son of Hamon "Dentatus". But Wikipedia's article about Robert Fitzhamon says he was a son of Hamo "Dapifer," who was in turn a son of Hamon "Dentatus." And Wikipedia's article about Hamo "Dapifer" notes: "Traditional pedigrees of the Grenville family of Stowe in the parish of Kilkhampton in Cornwall and of Bideford in Devon, dating from the 17th century when the family was raised to the Earldom of Bath erroneously gave the father of Robert FitzHamon (the most famous of the Hamo family) as Hamon Dentatus and omitted any mention of his true father Hamo Dapifer. This was despite William of Malmesbury having described Hamo Dentatus as avus ("grandfather") to Robert FitzHamon. The erroneous descent was given official status when recited in the royal warrant signed in 1661 by King Charles II creating titles of nobility for John Granville, 1st Earl of Bath (1628-1701)." pnh (talk) 14:03, 5 December 2015 (UTC)