Talk:Maudgalyayana

Merge suggestion
I have suggested to merge the new article about his Paranibbana into this article. Neither is very long, and some of the info in the death section here is redundant. Rigadoun (talk) 16:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I agree. There's no reason why his paranibbana should be in a seperate article- there's not enough material to justify separating them.  --Clay Collier 00:31, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I am in the process of writing more about him, and the article will end up being quite large. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * In that case, I oppose merging. I do, however, support making the titles of the articles match.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 07:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If you're extending the article, it might be worth your while to check out the entry in the Plai Proper names dictionary (see link on page), which is in public domain and can be copied into here.Greetings, Sacca 14:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * By 2017 Wikipedia standards, 's article Paranibbana of Mahamoggallana is not large, and has no secondary sources whatsoever. I think a merge with the current article is still warranted and I therefore reopen the discussion.--S Khemadhammo (talk) 20:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * , formerly known as Blnguyen who commented above, never really added anything to the article after I put the original merge suggestion, and has now not been active for six years. I still agree with the merge. If he does ever return to expand it, or anyone else wants to, it's easy enough to make a new page. I still support. Rigadoun (talk) 03:01, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, that's two people supporting. Thanks. Anyone else?--S Khemadhammo (talk) 18:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Go for it. --Spasemunki (talk) 23:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Super powers?
Is there really evidence for these outlandish claims in the Buddhist tradition? babbage (talk) 23:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not evidence, . But they are described as part of the tradition by secondary sources, and therefore should be mentioned.--S Khemadhammo (talk) 20:20, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposal with regard to honorifics
A continuing problem found in Buddhist articles on the English Wikipedia, is the usage of the honorifics, which is inherent to Indian religious traditions. For the current article, as well as any early Buddhist disciple article, i propose to use the word Thera at the end of the name, which is common in the early Buddhist texts. This way, the name of the disciple can be distinguished from any laypeople with similar names, do justice to Buddhist practice in describing the disciples, without losing the neutral tone of the article. Thus, Maudgalyayana Thera instead of just Maudgalyayana, or most venerable Maudgalyayana.--S Khemadhammo (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Isolated content
I have removed the following content from the article, as I was not able to integrate it with the rest of the article. If anyone wants to try and reintegrate, please feel free to paste and rewrite.


 * The Buddha also entrusted Maudgalyāyana with other tasks than teaching: the Commentary to the Dhammapada states that Maudgalyāyana supervised the construction of the Migaramatupasada monastery.
 * In other stories, he showed his strength in more mundane matters: there is a Sanskrit account of Utpalavarṇā (Uppalavaṇṇā) trying to seduce Maudgalyāyana. He resisted her, however, and persuaded her to ordain as a bhikṣuṇī (nun).
 * --Farang Rak Tham (talk) 12:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The two sources cited can be found in the article.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Great
Great work on this article, very detailed. Perhaps you'd like to take a look at Sariputta and Ananda, both major disciples of the Buddha whose articles need some help. Javierfv1212 (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will, . But I am currently working on Faith in Buddhism and Buddhist devotion, which takes most of my time. After that, I will return to the disciple series. Any suggestions for this Maudgalyayana article?--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2017 (UTC)--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 20:16, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Image of relief (moved from Talk:Faith in Buddhism)
That particular relief would be considered 3D. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * But in this case the copyright has lapsed, obviously. So it can be used. Am I right, ?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 08:30, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes - you will just need to make sure to include a valid copyright tag for both the photo and the relief. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:42, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 16:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , how do I proceed? I can't find the information on how to add an entry or section for the depicted work. Is there an information page about this somewhere? Thanks.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:33, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 08:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure what you're asking here - you can edit the description page of an image to add additional copyright tags, and simply indicate which applies to what. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:48, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

So simply make two sections in the description. I was asking because I thought it was required to make another page. Okay.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 14:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Article title
The article was moved (without discussion) from Moggallana to Maudgalyayana in 2010. I'm not familiar with other schools of Buddhism, but is "Maudgalyayana" actually the common form of the name as used by the majority of references cited in the article? If not, it should be renamed back to follow the Pali form. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The reason given for the 2010 move (here) was "The page "Moggallana" should be renamed to "Maudgalyayana". The name "Moggallana" is a Pali name, which is used only in one school of Buddhism. Maudgalyayana", in contrast, is the Sanskrit name use)." I'm only familiar with the Chinese, which is not relevant here, so I'm just asking if this was a good reason.ch (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of Sanskrit being preferred over Pali in Buddhist discourse, but, as mentioned, I'm only familiar with Theravada Buddhism. If most reliable sources discussing the subject are in a Theravada context, though, that may be grounds for preferring the Pali version per WP:COMMONNAME. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just noticed that the article was originally created at Maudgalyayana and moved to Moggallana in 2009. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:51, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Following the sources used in the article, the Sanskrit spelling Maudgalyayāna is used more than Pali Moggallāna, especially in modern scholarship, though both are used in the sources. Unfortunately, Pali isn't given the same value these days as it was at the beginning of the 20th century. Aniccam vata sańkhāra...-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 23:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the clarification. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:29, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Some comments

 * 1) In the Heritage section, the sentence "In South-East and East Asia, Maudgalyāyana is honored as a symbol of filial piety and psychic powers." reads like he is a symbol of filial piety and psychic powers in both Southeast and East Asia. Is this what is intended? The rest of the text seems to say that the filial piety symbolism is mostly limited to East Asia.
 * 2) Also, in the Relics section, it isn't clear when the relics were given to the Victoria and Albert Museum. Was this shortly after they arrived in Britain, or in the 1930s, just before the protests? --Paul_012 (talk) 08:40, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I have been so bold as to add numbers to your comments.
 * You are right in that the sources only mention East Asia—thanks for the catch. There may be other sources in the article that also mention Southeast Asian countries in this regard, but I would have to spent considerable time to check this. Rephrased now.
 * After arrival. Fixed.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 17:03, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

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Translations of Maudgalyayana - Korean
Just wondering if the translation is Korean or not. 68.94.33.176 (talk) 21:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

hatnote
needs to be readded. Incoming links at dab pages [in this case: Moggallana] need to be listed as outgoing links. Iterresise (talk) 04:36, 30 October 2023 (UTC)


 * No, I don't see why it should. There is no expectation of bi-directionality. While 'Moggallana' is an alternative name for 'Maudgalyayana' and therefore it should be listed at the Moggallana disambiguation page. But none of the other entries at that disambiguation page are known as 'Maudgalyayana' -- a reader arriving at 'Maudgalyayana' would be very unlikely to be looking for something else named 'Moggallana'. older ≠ wiser 11:09, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Template:Other uses/doc states: "This template creates a note directing the reader to the disambiguation page related to the page it is included in". Maudgalyayana's name in pali is "Moggallāna" as stated in the first sentence. If you have some sort of guideline or policy to support your statement, I could agree with omitting the hatnote. Iterresise (talk) 12:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:NAMB and Template:Other uses/doc. older ≠ wiser 14:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)