Talk:Maureen O'Hara

Place of birth cf. nationality
O’Hara was undoubtedly Irish, by birth, family lineage, raising, citizenship and as self-identified and identified by others. Her place of birth was in Ireland which was at that time, and until 1922, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. This is merely a factual statement. It does not mean anyone is trying to say O’Hara was British as user 92.17.5.57 claimed in seeking (refused) protection of the article:


 * “Reason: Persistent nuisance inputs by an Australian IP seeking to make a misleading WP:POINT. O'Hara was born in Dublin and was always Irish by nationality, family, origin, etc. The IP is insisting she was British because she was born shortly before Ireland (the ROI) left the UK.”

What justification is there for user 92.17.5.57 deleting and trying to block contributions of verified facts? Further, what is user 92.17.5.57’s suggested relevance in emphasizing a user’s locality as “an Australian IP” rather than just as an IP editor. User 92.17.5.57 trolled other edits made by the IP address, including by other editors, and reverted them. Vindictive?

Stating in an article that Ireland was part of the United Kingdom leads readers to read and explore and come to a knowledge of that history.

Hawaii is a country of its own which was several nations, a single independent kingdom, a republic, annexed by the USA and made a state and may or may not separate. It is still Hawaii. However, we say Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, USA, not just in Hawaii as it was part of the USA at the time. 115.42.2.203 (talk) 01:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not that simple because of the Irish Republic. Most of Ireland was functionally independent in 1920. Besides, it is the previous version of the article that has consensus until consensus is demonstrated to have changed, so the version without the UK in the infobox should remain until the talk page discussion decides otherwise. DrKay (talk) 06:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Exactly, if consensus should change, then I will accept it. As I have pointed out to 115.42, articles about British nationals generally state the country only, not the state. I cited the examples of John Mills (England), Alastair Sim (Scotland) and Richard Burton (Wales) as fellow members of the acting profession. None of them have UK in their birthplace or deathplace details so why should Maureen O'Hara?
 * It is true, of course, that our American friends say things differently. They do say Hawaii, USA, but the British equivalent is Devon, England, not England, UK. We do not use UK for addressing purposes – in fact, we don't use England either – but on WP, England or Ireland is sufficient. Oh, and as far as British people are concerned, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and Michelle was born in Chicago, Illinois. We don't use US either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.5.57 (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)