Talk:Maurice Gibb

Death
''Some media reports (heard in Wellingon, New Zealand) indicated that he suffered the heart attack while under observation for the pain resulting from the blockage, and that the surgery then necessarily took place during the post heart attack shock. Is this correct?''

An intestinal blockage means toxins have no where to go and stay in the body. Those toxins caused the myocardial infarction. Barry stopped being vocal about Maurice's death after it came to light that it was the family doctor of many years who fumbled the ball by not being proactive in Maurice's care. He should have acted quicker. Maurice was not as healthy as one may believe. Sure he ate salads and used the treadmill, but no amount of diet and exercise can erase years of poly-substance abuse. The damage one does to one's body in his 20's comes back to visit with a vengeance in a decade or two. The sequence of events was not hard for Barry to follow. His ire disappeared from the media because a law suit would have hurt the Gibb family doctor, a dear, old friend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.5.178 (talk) 05:54, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

This article says Maurice died from cardiac arrest. The Wikipedia Bee Gees article says he died of a heart attack. A heart attack and cardiac arrest are not the same. Bunkyray5 (talk) 03:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Isle of Man
According to the article Isle of Man, that island is not part of the United Kingdom. S. That's right. If you go to their govt website at http://www.gov.im/ and select "Background", it's about the first thing you see! I've removed UK from the article. Nevilley 11:30 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)

Trouble with police of other brothers before 1958?
In 1958 when they moved to Australia, Barry was 12 and Robin and Maurice were 9 - is it accurate that Robin and Barry had been in trouble with the police in England at such young ages? I couldn't find any citation other than those picking up the Wiki reference. Tvoz 01:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

JoeBrennan 02:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Ages still 11 and 8 at the time of the move, and yes, true. See the Ultimate Biography by Bilyeu, Cook, Mon Hughes ("with" me and Mark Crohan). However Maurice was identified as the least involved.

Where did the Gibb family live in Australia?
The Bee Gees article says Redcliffe but Maurice's article says Cribb Island. Or was it both? Doesn't bother me particularly but am asking as a wiki quality issue.--Grinning Idiot 13:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * JoeBrennan They lived at many addresses in Australia, including Cribb Island.

Anecdote regarding MG's "stabilising influence"
The article contains this: His reputation as a mild-mannered stabilising influence continued into later life. When the Bee Gees walked out of their interview with British chat show host Clive Anderson, Maurice was last to leave, with the words "Well I'd love to, but I don't do impressions." [citation needed] More than a citation is needed; I have no idea what this text means.

When did the Bee Gees walk out of their interview (I know: in "later life")? Why did they do it? Were they angry? Insulted? Was the interview merely finished? What happened? (I know that "walked out on" is a British-type expression meaning "went out with" or "dated" to us USians, so is this just some misunderstanding of "walk out of" on my part?)

And why did Maurice say "Well I'd love to, but I don't do impressions?" Sounds like an answer. What was the question? To what was he replying?

Finally, how does this anecdote illustrate Maurice's stabilising influence? Especially if he was walking out in anger.

Thanks to anybody who can clarify this bit. - John Hosking 83.77.168.179 07:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, the brothers took offence at something said by Clive during the interview, and walked out of the studio in mid-broadcast. Clive apologized and urged them to stay, to which Maurice replied with the comment about 'doing impressions' (ie. of his absent brothers.) Drutt 15:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * here is the video. Drutt 12:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

JoeBrennan 02:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC) This paragraph is two revisions run together, and I was the second one working here. As the Clive Anderson show (1997) fades into memory it needs no mention at all on this page. It illustrates more about Barry than it does about Maurice. I will remove it.

"Man in the Middle"
JoeBrennan 02:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC) I removed a statement that Barry and Robin recorded "Man in the Middle" in his honor. In fact Maurice recorded that song without Barry and Robin for the last Bee Gees album.

204.156.112.31 (talk) 21:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)== Discrepancies in reports on the cause of his death -  moved from user talk:RationalLady ==

June 2, 2007---Maurice Gibb/personal info---deleted the reference to cardiac arrest, because other people editing don't understand that the complications of the twisted intestine *included* cardiac arrest, but he did not die when the arrest occurred. The cardiac arrest occurred two days before his actual death, before surgery occurred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RationalLady (talk • contribs)

August 17, 2007---Maurice Gibb/personal info---Please do not edit the cause of death on this man. He did NOT have a heart attack---he suffered cardiac arrest (stoppage of the heart) BEFORE he had surgery on the twisted intestine. He lived for two days after that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RationalLady (talk • contribs)

August 18, 2007---Maurice Gibb/personal info---Edited this again to remove inaccurate references. The Scotsman articles are inaccurate. As stated, he did not suffer a heart attack, but cardiac arrest, which did NOT cause his death. Also, the "family" did not settle....only Yvonne Gibb. His brothers did not want to settle. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RationalLady (talk • contribs).</small


 * This discussion more appropriately belongs on Talk:Maurice Gibb where other editors will be looking, not on your talk page (I didn't know to look here the last time you mentioned the talk page which is why I said nothing was on talk). The language I used to describe what led to his death was taken from several news articles, and referenced as such.  Your assertion above was not referenced, and appears to be your own opinion - if not, please provide references in the article.  I will clarify what I wrote, based on the news reports I have that are contemporaneous with his death, and updated by a report a year later, and I plan to reinstate  it.  If you have references that contradict what I have, perhaps you should add that other reports gave other causes, say what they are,  and reference that.  Just saying that the Scotsman articles are inaccurate doesn't really satisfy - how do you know that  your opinion is more correct?  Sources, please - there's no reason we can't have a short summary of the discrepancies in reporting the cause of his death included, but they have to be referenced. Tvoz | talk 04:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Whether it belonged in my talk or Maurice's page, the matter has recently become irrelevant due to edits changing it to simply "due to complications of a twisted intestine", which is fine and true. For the record, my sources are the Gibb family. RationalLady (talk) 23:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Those I am sure are accurate, but by Wikipedia standards would not be considered "reliable sources" (see WP:RS - the required standard here, for better or worse,  is not truth, but verifiability.  So  you or I might know that something is correct from our own personal observation or experience or by something someone close to a situation told us, but none of that qualifies on Wikipedia as a reliable source.  Tvoz | talk 04:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

So, in order to keep Wikipedia "accurate", it's better to use articles that can be "sourced", with totally false information, instead of information that is absolutely accurate? I guess that speaks highly for Wikipedia's accuracy and standards. In other words, this place becomes useless when inaccurate, sourced information is better than accurate information that doesn't have the weight of the New York Times behind it. Ridiculous. 204.156.112.31 (talk) 21:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I know thia can be annoying when you KNOW something is true - I've had the problem myself many times - but without a source it can't put it in and it can be infuriating. But I can see where Wikipedia is coming from - I can quite easily come along and write any amount of rubbish in an article and then declare it to be fact because I claim to know the person in question. So yes, statements do need to have sources that can be checked.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Flagcruft
As per WP:FLAG, specifically here, it is recommended that flag icons not be used with birth and death dates, because they imply nationality which may or may not be accurate. Please read the links I'm providing, and leave off the flags - they really don't add anything other than potential confusion. Thanks. Tvoz | talk 06:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Siblings
You are missing one sibling, I remember from fan magazines in the 70's there was also another sister younger than Andy. She was called "Beri" and I think her name was Bernice, but I'm not sure. Anyone else know?Aggiebean (talk) 23:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * She is actually not a sibling but the firstborn of older sister Lesley. Bernice was raised by her grandparents and Andy did refer to her as his sister as they grew up together. Ferdinandhudson (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Freeman of the Borough of Douglas
"On 10th July 2009, Maurice was posthumously made a Freeman of the Borough of Douglas. The award, was also bestowed on Robin and Barry, therefore confirming the freedom of the town of their birth to all three brothers."

What does the highlighted part mean? I'm not too familiar with this Freeman title, and googling I couldn't find an explanation for that last phrase. Crusoe704 (talk) 04:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2014
In the opening paragraph, please change the content from:

Although his brothers Barry Gibb and Robin Gibb were the band's primary lead vocalists, most of their album included at least one to two Gibb composition, including "Lay It on Me", "Country Woman" and "On Time". The Bee Gees were one of the successful rock/pop groups ever.

to

Although his brothers Barry Gibb and Robin Gibb were the band's primary lead vocalists, most of the group's albums included at least one to two Maurice Gibb composition, including "Lay It on Me," "Country Woman" and "On Time." The Bee Gees were one of the most successful rock/pop groups ever.

Cpastrick (talk) 01:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Looks like someone already had made part of the change, I cleaned up the wording a little more. Technical 13 (talk) 00:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Some copyediting requested
Hello.

Could someone please refine the category "Cancer deaths in the United States" to "Cancer deaths in Florida"?

Per Basic copyediting, bullet point 1, a comma is also missing after "Isle of Man" in the first sentence of section "1949–57: Early years", and after "Miami Beach, Florida" in the first sentence of section "Death".

There are also five occurrences of wrong date format (which is dmy for the article), namely "January 12, 2003", "May 22, 1971", "January 16, 2003", "January 15, 2003", and "October 3, 1970", that need to be fixed.

Thanks.

HandsomeFella (talk) 14:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Huon (talk) 19:46, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Maurice's death due to twisted intestine and sepsis not cardiac arrest
There is an error in this Wikipedia page regarding the cause of Maurice Gibb's death. In the section about his Death, it states he:

"died of a cardiac arrest, while waiting to undergo surgery."

The claims that he died of cardiac arrest and that it happened while waiting to undergo surgery are both wrong according to the actual reference that is used to support this claim in the Maurice Gibb wikipedia article:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/16/gibb.autopsy/index.html?eref=sitesearch

The reference above states that he had the surgery AFTER the cardiac arrest event and states that he died because of a twisted intestine condition. Nowhere in this reference does it state that he died of cardiac arrest, only that it occurred and it's not known how it affected his prognosis. It also does not state he died while awaiting surgery and instead states he had surgery.

Additionally, Robin Gibb's wikipedia page described Maurice's death as due to complications of a twisted intestine.

CNN and Billboard magazine, among others, which reference the actual autopsy report and the doctor involved, also state his death was due to a twisted intestine... an ischemic enteropathy. The New York Times stated his death was due to "complications of a twisted intestine".

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/72650/autopsy-shows-gibb-had-twisted-intestine

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/16/gibb.autopsy/index.html?eref=sitesearch

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/arts/music/robin-gibb-62-member-of-the-bee-gees-dies-at-62.html

Also, according to a very recent episode of the Cable TV show "Autopsy: the last hours of Maurice Gibb" (on Channel Reelz), Maurice's death was explained in great detail to be due to sepsis which happened as a result of a congenital intestinal twist that on autopsy was found to have affected much of his lower intestine... more than what was removed during surgery a couple of days before his death. His condition actually improved after the surgery but then worsened until it was found he had little brain activity. According to the Autopsy show, specifically, this condition caused blood and oxygen to be cut off from the intestines which caused degradation of the intestinal walls leading to sepsis leading to organ death. This may have also been behind the earlier cardiac arrest event. This is what I understood from the show. His brother Robin was later found to have the same condition.

http://www.reelz.com/trailer-clips/81402/maurice-gibb/

Anyway, I am going to correct the information here in this Wikipedia page about Maurice Gibb's death, which is obviously wrong since he went into surgery AFTER the cardiac arrest event was dealt with and his death was due to a congenital twisted intestine condition (volvulus) according to most sources some linked above and the Autopsy show.

Tapsies (talk) 17:45, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 May 2015
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Link doesn't work
The external link 'Who Do You Think You Are? - Gibb Family History on YouTube' doesn't work. There are a view Youtube-movies with that title, about Robin, by the way... Urgert (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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