Talk:Mauro Gianetti

Edit war.
While I understand the objection to the "blank" or unexplained deletions of substantial content, I would object to the inclusion of such detail and controversy in the header.

Perhaps restructuring the information with something in the header like "While there have been substantial allegations of doping, Mr. Gianetti has denied them." or some such (with citation).

Then, perhaps add a new section called "Doping allegations and scandal" or some such. sinneed (talk) 05:48, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I agree, I have removed all the stuff about his team members, as I am not aware of any UCI, TDF or press confirmation. I have restructured the well documented/referenced 1997 Tour of Romandy bits. Autodidactyl (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, if you read the entire article, the Dr. admits he exagerates some of his remarks, then states that he did not learn of the alleged doping by "medical means"... and finally it is noted that he was the team doctor for an opposing team. While I am not knowledgeable about cycling, and while I am NO EXPERT on the rules for biographical articles of living persons, citing a spoken interview with an opposing team's doctor looks very very iffy.  Unless there is something more here, I think the allegations need to be removed... they are nothing more than rumors as cited now.  Please see also my change at the drugs article.  sinneed (talk) 13:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * After reviewing the source, the linked drugging article, and the biography-of-living-persons guidance, I don't think this can wisely be included in Wikipedia in either article. I am sorry to kill off your work, but without a better source than an interview with an un-involved Dr. reporting a rumor... I can't see it.  sinneed (talk) 13:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Further... if you disagree, please feel free to restore the deleted sections... there were no other changes in the edit, so UNDO should work well. I will not revert your change.  However, unless you can help me understand why it belongs here, I will add a note at the biographical articles problem list to seek guidance.  I do apologize again for deleting your work, as it seems to be good work... I am just concerned that it does not belong on Wikipedia as is.  sinneed (talk) 15:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

The possible PFC use has been very widely published (Salon, NYT, etc.). We don't know if he did it or even if it was done to him by team docs, but it is a fact that there was an investigation for PFCs. Also, given all that we have learned post Hamilton/Armstrong etc. (along with the rash of deaths from over EPO use..."blood sludge")...would move your Bayesian needle...98.117.81.134 (talk) 20:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)