Talk:Max Euwe

Teacher
Max Euw was a teacher in Amsterdam and not in Rotterdam

(This talk seems to be obsolete; it's old, and the article now says that he taught in both places.)

Should indicate in which year/ tournament Euwe and Fischer got (+1-1=1).

Euwe scored highly in several tournaments that are not mentioned in the entry, e.g. Groningen 1946 (with Botvinnik). Asoane 12:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone should add a game or two. Krakatoa 01:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

When did Euwe ever beat Fischer? Rocksong 07:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I added the game to the article, it deserves it. --Ioannes Pragensis 11:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, but I think Euwe's lifetime record against Fischer doesn't deserve to be in the article. They played 3 times, twice when Fischer was 14, way before Fischer's peak. It's a bit like saying one of Botvinnik's greatest achievements was a lifetime 50% against Fischer. (p.s. I have no objection to including the game, however).


 * Yes, but it was way after Euwe's peak, too - You are true that this is not much important but perhaps still interesting for somebody. --Ioannes Pragensis 12:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

New game
Can someone add the game between Geller and Euwe in 1953?

Chess Archives?
Euwe was intimately involved in a long-standing chess openings publication called (I believe) Chess Archives. It was a serial distribution of loose-leaf pages intended to be inserted in one or more special binders, adding to or replacing other pages, to keep the reader up-to-date on opening theory. This was prior ECO or even the Informant, i.e., 40 and more years ago. It must have been the basis for his several books on chess openings. Does anyone have any solid info on this? --Wfaxon 13:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I recall having subscribed to Chess Archives and receiving, to my great delight, packets of pages that arrived every few weeks or so. Much of Euwe's work is the basis of Al Horowitz's book Chess Openings: Theory and Practice, a book that I worked on for Horowitz. I have no way of offering a reference, however. Abenr (talk) 14:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Citations needed - possible FA?
This article is balanced and well-written. I think it would make FA grade if it had citations for all the significant points covered. Philcha (talk) 13:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you can recruit help from WikiProject Chess. There are currently only two featured articles for Chess, Chess itself and The Turk. This article seems a bit thin for a featured article, though. For example, the sentence that starts "He also wrote many books on chess" is not very informative, and a separate section "Works" or "Publications" may be in order. I'm not a chess player myself, and my interest in the article is marginal. --Lambiam 17:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Didn't Euwe actually once play Alekhine's Defense against Alekhine? WHPratt (talk) 20:21, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. So did lots of people, with fair success. Euwe, Fine and Tartakower all drew Alekhine with it, although Reshevsky lost. Krakatoa (talk) 22:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! And in the World Championship match yet!  When Fischer played it against Spassky, some reporters said it had never been played at that level. WHPratt (talk) 02:07, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

FIDE presidency
I've just done a big edit on this. I think this topic may be more significant than Euwe's playing career - he was FIDE president for much longer than he was world champion, and the stakes were much higher. I'll keep a look-out for any other relevant sources. Philcha (talk) 15:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Philcha just removed a "fact" tag on the claim that "The Central Committee of Communist Party of the Soviet Union then started plotting to depose Euwe as president of FIDE," claiming that "the ref above (Sosonko) quotes the relevant Soviet internal memo)." The "Sosonko" link goes to the entry on Sosonko, which contains no such cite. Neither, as far as I can see, do any of the other links in this section. The solution is simple: if there is such a memo, link to it here. Otherwise this is anecdotal. Eddore (talk) 06:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You clicked the wrong link in the citation. Philcha (talk) 09:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Then put the cite where it belongs, next to the unsupported claim. I won't argue about whether it's really relevant, just that you need to source it where the reader can find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddore (talk • contribs) 23:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The one citation covers all the points listed, to avoid a disfiguring case of blue chickenpox. Your comment "I won't argue about whether it's really relevant" makes me wonder whether you checked that ref at all. Philcha (talk) 00:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Personal Recollection
In 1974 or 1975, when I was a youngster, Dr Euwe was at the Paul Masson Tournament. I walked by him, said 'hi' and he stopped and I shook his hand, saying "I never met a world champion before," at which the great man chuckled.

I see the games he played against the greats of the early 20th and late 19th centuries, also saw him mentioned as an up-and-coming young player in Reti's 1922 book New Ideas in Chess and am amazed at having met this legend.--Jrm2007 (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

1940-45
Was Euwe in the Netherlands during the German occupation, and if so, how did it affect him? Dynzmoar (talk) 10:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, IIRC he managed to talk his way out of playing in Nazi-organised events - see Alexander Alekhine for info and citations. Philcha (talk) 10:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

According to Garry Kasparov his daughters saw their father crying, when he heard the news of the capitulation to the Germans on the radio. Brederode (talk) 6:20 pm, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Simultaneous exhibition in Nepal
The article states: ''When the then FIDE president Max Euwe gave a simultaneous exhibition in Kathmandu, the Nepalese politician Baburam Bhattarai played against him and beat the former world champion Max Euwe, in 23 moves with a brilliant queen sacrifice. Afterwards, Dr. Euwe was reported in local media as saying, "Alekhine lives in Nepal!" .''

The only source I have found for this on the web point to the two leftist publications mentioned. The second reference leads nowhere, however, and searching for Euwe on the homepage of the Daily Pioneer does not yield a hit. Then, despite the detail of the praise Euwe allegedly said, no detail of the story is given. The date is missing, the score is missing, although we learn it was a "brilliant queen sacrifice". Euwe died in 1981. At that time, Bhattarrai was not a politician, so the statements are misleading and not informative. When you check his article, you will find other fabrications. The claim should be deleted. It is propaganda. -- Zz (talk) 23:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree and removed the claim per WP:REDFLAG. Quale (talk) 07:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Phonetic spelling of "Euwe"?
(I'm bringing this up here because what I'm questioning is on this page. But I suspect that the IPA renderings given throughout WP may be generated by another group somewhere in the site. So if there's another place I should direct this question, please point me to the correct page. Thanks.)

I have little knowledge of Dutch pronunciation, aside from its similarities to German, and came to this page to find out how "Euwe" should be pronounced. The article gives the IPA phonetic transcription as [ˈøːwə]. The phoneme /w/ is not listed on either the Help:IPA for Dutch or Dutch phonology pages as being part of Dutch. It is mentioned in the text of the latter page as being a functional result of certain diphthongs, but those diphthongs still do not appear to typically be rendered in IPA using /w/.

The phonetic and phonemic transcription examples provided on Dutch phonology do not use [w] phonetically or /w/ phonemically in standard Dutch; all instances of the letter 'w' in this sample are phonemically and phonetically rendered as /ʋ/. The phonetic [w] is used in the phonetic transcription example of Belgian Dutch as a representation of /ʋ/, but only for Belgian Dutch.

Here's the fun twist. In the video clip referenced to that phonetic spelling, it sounds to me like it's actually being said as [ˈøːvə]. This would be consistent with the common Germanic association of the letter 'w' with /v/, but the phonology examples don't include any instances of 'w' pronounced as /v/ in standard or Belgian Dutch. However, I am of the strong opinion that what I'm hearing in the video is neither /ʋ/ nor /w/, but rather /v/ or possibly /f/.

Now that I've thoroughly confused everyone reading this who doesn't use IPA all the time...

I do not think that the given IPA rendering of [ˈøːwə] is correct. I think it should be either [ˈøːvə] or [ˈøːʋə], the former being what I hear in the clip and the latter being what I'm reasoning would be the correct IPA in standard Dutch for [ˈøːwə]. But, being neither a phonologist nor a speaker of Dutch, I don't want to change it without running it past someone who might know better. Quantumpanda (talk) 05:02, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that this has in the meantime been fixed in the article, but just to tie up this loose end here: you were right (as you can see), and I was also surprised to hear something closer to [ˈøːvə] in the clip! (I am Dutch.) KarlFrei (talk) 09:10, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Someone asked chess columnist Larry Evans as to how to pronounce "Euwe." Grandmaster Evans admitted that he said it "Oy-Vey," which is rather ethnic, but probably effective! WHPratt (talk) 01:03, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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The "Other interesting accounts" section
I believe, sections such as this (also called Trivia or Interesting facts) were prevalent in the early years of Wikipedia, but from what I know, they have been thoroughly eliminated over time, at least, on EngWiki.--Adûnâi (talk) 12:22, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Date format
Shouldn't dates on this page follow the DMY format since that is what's used in the Netherlands? Nowhere Box (talk) 19:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * No. No strong ties to a national variety of English. I'm pretty sure the Dutch don't use 4 March 2024.  Presumably Dutch has a different word for March. Quale (talk) 23:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)