Talk:Max Mallowan

Rewritten
I have rewritten this article without the plagiarism (which affected mainly the central section about his professional work), adding some relevant material from other sources. See Talk:Max Mallowan/Temp. I hope an administrator will now find and insert it. Myopic Bookworm 18:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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 * Agatha Christie with Max Mallowan in Tell Halaf 1930s.jpg

RFC about categorisation
Should this biographical article be added to non biographical categories, and ? -- wooden superman  13:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I have attempted to revert these recently added categories but my edits have been reverted. The way I read WP:COPSEP and WP:OCASSOC is that we should have separate categories for biographical articles and non-biographical articles, where biographical articles are cateqorised by WP:DEFINING characteristics of the person. I don't think these defining characteristics would include people or places they are associated with unless there is consensus for a separate "people" category, i.e. something in a  tree or similar, or the clearly inappropriate . -- wooden  superman  13:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:COPSEP is not relevant here at all. I quote: "Keep people categories separate. Categories with a title indicating that the contents are people, should normally only contain biographical articles and lists of people, and perhaps a non-biographical main article" This is for people categories such as Category:Writers from London or Category:Writers from New York City, not eponymous categories.
 * Wikipedians have been disputing what are the "WP:DEFINING characteristics of the person" for over twenty years, and I don't expect the matter to ever be resolved.
 * We certainly categorize people by places associated with them, and it is logical for archaeological locations to be defining for their researchers.
 * "the clearly inappropriate " Why would it be inappropriate? We have an entire category tree for Category:Husbands by person. Dimadick (talk) 14:00, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree wholeheartedly. The spirit of WP:COPSEP is to keep biographical and non-biographical separate. Keep people categories separate.  We should not have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles in the same categories.  Yes, we categorise people by where they are from, but in a "people from..." tree, not just after the name of the place.  Again, we are keeping the categories separate.  Look at some of the examples at WP:OCASSOC.  And spouse categories seem to be almost exclusively for royalty and similar. -- wooden  superman  14:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "biographical and non-biographical separate" Categorization does not work that way, and the text says nothing about the topic. Eponymous categories are not people categories. Wikipedia never had a problem with overcategorization, only with undercategorization. And WP:OCASSOC specifically allows categories by association, specifically listing Category:Obama administration personnel as a good example to follow. Dimadick (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe the spirit of WP:COPSEP is to work that way, and that is generally the way it works in practice. I have absolutely no idea why you have added  to Reginald Campbell Thompson.  This is textbook WP:OCASSOC.  The association is clear in, but these "associated with..." categories need to be WP:DEFINING.  This is generally not the case for spouses, etc., as people are usually independently notable, per WP:NOTINHERITED. -- wooden  superman  14:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "usually independently notable" People like like Archie Christie are only notable because of who they married or (in his case), a controversial divorce and a connection to his first wife's temporary disappearance. Dimadick (talk) 14:45, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "WP:COPSEP is not relevant here at all." I disagree. Wikipedia:COPSEP clearly states, This article is literally named after a person and the dispute pertains to categories where such biographical article could be expected. Regards,  Thinker78  (talk) 03:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Where biographical articles are cateqorised by WP:DEFINING characteristics of the person. I point out Categorizing pages,
 * But at the same time, Overcategorization By being associated with,
 * Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 19:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Associations are the gold-standard in Wikipedia for categorizing people. We have a category tree of Category:People by association. Dimadick (talk) 16:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "Gold standard"? Nonsense.  There are quite a few in that tree that are a bit of a mess to be honest.  -- wooden  superman  12:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "Gold standard"? Nonsense.  There are quite a few in that tree that are a bit of a mess to be honest.  -- wooden  superman  12:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes for Category:Nimrud and Category:Nineveh as the article clearly indicates that these are excavations they worked on. No for Category:Agatha Christie as a marriage to her doesn't cut it to be included in the category is my understanding (please ping me if my understanding is incorrect and I need some education). TarnishedPathtalk 07:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)