Talk:Max Planck Institute for Informatics

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Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved article per WP:SILENCE. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:51, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Max Planck Institute for Computer Science → Max Planck Institute for Informatics – The official name is Max Planck Institute for Informatics, which is now only a redirect. This name is also used in all English-speaking publications of the insitute, and I think is a better fit than the official German name Max-Planck-Insitut für Informatik. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC) 88.68.25.199 (talk) 08:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Edit requests
As my changes have been reverted, here are some edit requests. My suggestions are licensed under a CC0 and therefore may be reused and adapted freely. Referenced news paper articles are available via WISO.

Wrong date of formation
I have no idea where 1993 comes from but the MPI-INF was founded in November 1988 and started its work in December 1990. I suggest the following introductory paragraph which also states the institute's founding directors:

Additionally, the Infobox should be updated.
 * I only used the German source, since the other source was primary. I didn't add the info about the directors because the sourcing either was missing or had no link that I could read, and I don't think directors' names usually go in leads anyway. If you can find better sourcing, I can start a history section and put their names there.  STEM info  (talk) 23:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

First of its kind in MPG
The MPI-INF is the first institute of Max Planck Society concerned with informatics and computer science. If this is considered worth mentioning, I suggest the following paragraph:


 * ❌ Without a link, I can't read the source, so don't know if this is notable or not. STEM info  (talk) 23:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Awardees
If reputable awards received by the institute's members are considered worth mentioning, I suggest the following paragraph. (If no explicit reference is given then the award's linked article includes a list of all awardees):


 * ✅ but with moderated language, and only using one of the identical sources. STEM info  (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Section “Research departments” is outdated
For example, Thomas Lengauer is no longer a director at MPI-INF. , some departments have been dissolved and new ones founded. I suggest to replace the section except for the last two paragraphs with (all information available on the department's websites, e.g. D3):


 * I tried to balance the poor sourcing with including something of interest to readers. I carefully parsed the language to let the reader know that they are reading information based on what's posted on the institute's web site, but not a reliable third party source. Also, I counted three research groups, not two.  STEM info  (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Section “Research departments” too broad
Mentioning Internationales Begegnungs- und Forschungszentrum für Informatik and the International Max Planck Research School for Computer Science in the section for “Research departments” doesn't make much sense. I would suggest moving the two paragraphs into separate sections. (Proposal below)

International Max Planck Research School for Computer Science no longer operational
IMPRS-CS has been succeeded by International Max Planck Research School on Trustworthy Computing (IMPRS-TRUST). I suggest introducing the following new section and removing the current paragraph from “Research departments”:

The link in “External links” should also be replaced by
 * International Max Planck Research School on Trustworthy Computing (IMPRS-TRUST)
 * I replaced the external link, but am reluctant to add the other text without better sources. I feel I already went out on a limb enough by putting the departments and research groups up with the institute's self-source. It can be frustrating, but I'll make the argument that something as significant as replacing an entire institute department should have some independent coverage if it's notable enough to mention here. STEM info  (talk) 19:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Schloss Dagstuhl outdated
Internationales Begegnungs- und Forschungszentrum für Informatik nowadays operates as Schloss Dagstuhl or Leibniz-Zentrum for Informatics. I suggest introducing a new broader section concerned with cooperations of the MPI-INF and removing the current paragraph from “Research departments”:

The link in “External links” to Dagstuhl's website should also be removed.
 * ❌ No sources, and there's no reason given for removing the Dagstuhl link. STEM info  (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

CS@max planck
Institutes of MPG concerned with computer science have founded a work group and jointly offer a graduate program. If this is considered worth mentioning, I suggest adding the following paragraph to the previously proposed section “Scope of Research”:

I also suggest added a link to cs@max planck in “External links”:
 * CS@max planck
 * ❌ echoing Spintendo below, no sources and thus no indication of notability. STEM info  (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

If references are missing, please feel free to reach out to me. K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 13:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC) ; edited 18:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC) ; edited 12:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)  ; edited 16:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Much of the provided references are sourced to the Max Planck Institute, meaning the bulk of this information is already available for readers to peruse on the Institute's websites. Per WP:NOTREPOSITORY, Wikipedia cannot act as a mirror for these sites. Regards,  Spintendo  21:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I've replaced and removed some sources. I'd appreciate if you could please point out which claims are still lacking sources and which sources are not acceptable.
 * "Wikipedia is neither a mirror nor a repository of links, images, or media files."


 * I'm not sure I understand how this applies to the edit requests I made as I didn't add / link to images or media files and added links only in the form of references. I'd appreciate if you could please point out which sections you consider unfitting for a Wikipedia article. Thank you very much. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 13:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC); again 18:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, it states: Public domain or other source material such as entire books or source code, original historical documents, letters, laws, proclamations and other source material that are useful only when presented with their original, unmodified wording. Complete copies of primary sources may go into Wikisource, but not on Wikipedia. Information from the company published on their website is a primary source. That information may be paraphrased, but it is essentially identical to that found on the company's website. Just as a speech from a notable individual giving information about themselves would be considered an historical document, so would the press release information from a notable company giving information about itself be regarded as an historical document. Regards, Spintendo  20:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I suppose you are referring to ‘Section “Research departments” is outdated’, would it be preferable to just state the directors' and departments' names? K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 12:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've reduced the list of departments such that it now only states the departments' names and directors – as currently done in the article. Are there still unresolved issues? --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 12:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Edit request
Re-attempting after having made modifications to the initial edit request. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 13:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * With regards to the Research departments section, I'm only prepared to add those names of department directors which are independently notable in Wikipedia. Currently, the only three listed in your request which meet that qualification are already listed in the article. Regards, Spintendo  19:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. In this case I suggest removing the item concerning Thomas Lengauer. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 16:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you please tell me whether there are still outstanding issues that I have to address? K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 11:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Addressed issues pointed out by Spintendo. Additionally, no other outstanding issues were listed upon request. --K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Spintendo  19:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, but what about the other suggestions I made? K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 21:56, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Suggestions, , , , , , from above.
 * As far as I can tell only has been addressed yet. K.M. (MPI-INF) (talk) 22:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @K.M. (MPI-INF) They were not addressed because you did not place a new or unanswered template within your request when you were ready to proceed. Now that you have done so, your request will be reviewed shortly. Regards,  Spintendo  22:58, 20 October 2023 (UTC)