Talk:Max bemis and the painful splits

Notability problems
There are notability guidelines at WP:NMUSIC which should show you why the notability here is problematic. That it's a side project of a notable musician does not make it inherently notable in itself - "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians" (emphasis added). That two albums exist is not itself enough - "Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels" (emphasis added). And there's no citation here of the sort of non-trivial coverage which establishes notability. That isn't to say that the Splits cannot be covered in Wikipedia, but barring any indication of its own notability, it should be covered as part of Bemis's article, rather than its own article. --Nat Gertler (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Notability
Have you researched the topic you are debating? There are two or more notable musicians. The tracks contain background vocals (and some co-writing) from Bemis' wife, who is the lead singer of the band Eisley, most specifically the band's most popular song. I support what you're saying in terms of my sources, and if anyone could find anything better that would be much appreciated. This was one of the reasons I wrote the article, in an attempt to centralize information for those who already have interest in the lead singer. However, in terms of notability, two or more notable independent musicians ARE a part of this band. Even so, along that same principle, wouldn't bands like The Color Fred which IS a side project that contains only one member of notability, be not considered worthy? As for label releasing, the most accurate information I have found is plans to have the albums released on an independent album in the near future.

I could understand why we wouldn't want Wikipedia flooded with non-Notable bands trying to make a name for themselves, but this is my opinion, as a fan, a notable side project of two musicians with a large following. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MFrugard (talk • contribs) 04:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I do not appear to sound antagonistic, I am very interested in the Wiki process, and I support the creative criticism, it helps me better understand what to do. I am merely trying to get a better handle of what is expected in an article.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MFrugard (talk • contribs) 04:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You say there are two notable musicians - but the article makes no mention of it, nor do any of the reference sources. Part of the key to a good Wikipedia article is to say why the subject is notable; that's far more significant than details like the listing of the name of every track they've recorded. As for The Color Fred, it is quite possible that it would not be considered worthy were someone to take a close look at it. I don't know, I haven't looked at it. --Nat Gertler (talk) 06:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)