Talk:Maxim Gorky/Archive 1

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That was the "beauty" of living in the USSR.

KNewman How can a man be obligated to live in a country without having authorization to leave it and then the town of his birth is renamed with the name of the "prisioner"? I don't understand it! «The mother» the great realistic novell of Gorki is all about the worker's, industrial and the others... Gorki was all about the USSR policies, it was the USSR that allowed him to publish that novell and many other work's!

This page indicates slightly diferent dates of birth and death. Already correcting them...

Nah, many sources indcate his date of death June 18.........

Linking works
I don't think we should link every minor work, especially not in Russian. If you want links to all his works in Russian, look on the Russian wikipedia. Even for English translations we should concentrate on sites that offer many books (and will potentially add more) and not add individual minor works. --Prosfilaes 20:21, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I would certainly prefer sites that link multiple works, but it is very useful to some people (and no real problem for others) to provide links to online versions of as many of an author's works (both original and translated into English) as we can. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:43, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Why the 'x' in Maxim?
No transliteration convention known to me suggests that the k and s should be merged into x. Also, the use of y in the BGN/PCGN convention seen in Gorky is ambiguous, as this denotes both Й and Ы. I will also express my concern in WP:STYLE. --GSchjetne 07:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * SeeRomanization of Russian abakharev 08:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Simple googletest Maksim Gorky - 48K hits, Maxim Gorky - 313K hits, Maksim Gorkiy - 0.5K hits abakharev 08:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Human rights
The articles says that Gorky wrote: "Lenin and Trotsky don't have any idea about freedom or human rights. They are already corrupted by dirty poison of the power, this is visible by their shameful disrespect of freedom of speech and all other civil liberties for which the democracy was fighting."

Where exactly did he write it? Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni 05:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Death date
This edit, from an account that has made no edits except related to the date of Gorky's death, changed the date from June 14 to June 18. It provides no citation. - Jmabel | Talk 17:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A quick Google of Russian language sites suggests that this was, indeed a correction. - Jmabel | Talk 17:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Death date revisited - the Chesterton factor
It does seem that the majority of sources, particularly Russian ones, favour the 18th over the 14th, although there are still a lot of sources, in absolute numbers terms, that say it happened on the 14th. Maybe they're all just copying the incorrect data from other flawed sources - but that's an equally possible scenario for those that say it was the 18th. It would be good to get to the bottom of how the discrepancy occurred in the first place, so we can be confident about the 18th. One thing I've just become aware of is that G K Chesterton wrote an extensive introduction to Gorky's short story collection Creatures That Once Were Men. I have no idea what the background to this was - whether Chesterton and Gorky were long-time friends, for example. I can't find anything on Google that sheds any light on it, and there's no mention in either our Gorky or Chesterton articles of the other author. But it's curious that Chesterton himself died on 14th June 1936, only (apparently) 4 days before Gorky died. I wouldn't be at all surprised of this was a factor in getting the dates confused. (It would be even more curious if it turned out that they in fact died on the very same day, but that is looking improbable.) Can anyone comment on this? -- JackofOz 23:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Confirmation; See French Presse 19 june 1936 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k406749d and http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k500745f. PRA (talk) 17:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That makes the 18th seem very likely ... although it doesn't actually prove it. All it proves for 100% certain is that he died before the 19th, the day the paper was published.  But thanks for the research, PRA. --  JackofOz (talk) 08:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Précision : These french newspapers are clear. L'humanité of 19/06/1936 writes :« Maxime Gorki est mort hier à l'hôpital du Kremlin »,(= M.G. died yesterday (18/06) at Kremlin's hospital » and L'Ouest-Éclair says « Moscou, 18 juin. L'agence Tass annonce que l'écrivain Maxime Gorki est décédé. » ( =Moscow, june,18. Tass Agency announces that M.G. died).

All it proves for 100% certain that Gorky died on june,18th. English or American newspapers will confirme it...PRA (talk) 09:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * News!!!: see archive.timesonline PRA (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's good.  --  JackofOz (talk) 12:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * A German government sponsored online project, [LEMo Lebendiges virtuelles Museum Online http://www.dhm.de/lemo/], gives the date as 18 June. --Mia-etol (talk) 10:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Cloak
OK, I see why Khlamida would be suggestive of "cloak" but why of "cloak-and-dagger"? - Jmabel | Talk 05:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Orphan
Uncited anonymous change of age at which he was orphaned. Does anyone have a citation? - Jmabel | Talk 04:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you deleting my links?
The murders of Maxim Gorky, his son Maxim Peshkov, and of Mezhinsky were criminal acts for which certain people stood trial and were convicted. How do you peole presume to alter the facts of history willy nilly? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redflagmagazine (talk • contribs) 23:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Because that is a spam link by an anonymous author in (surprise!) Redflagmagazine. See WP:OR. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

This is not a spam link is a narration of the events surrounding the trial of the murders of Maxim Gorky.

Suprise

I've readded it. Its a rewrite of an article I worte in 2004, but it contained too many typos. This isn't just a playground for the anti-Gorky clique. Some people admire his work and the fact that he was murdered and how that murder took place is a right to every reader. You don't own Wiki

Suprise Wikipedia is edited by anonymous authors all the time, you are in fact anonymous. (uncivil comments removed. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redflagmagazine (talk • contribs)

--This is a very troubling exchange. Particularly disturbing is the vicious and biased language of the last entry (though tellingly unsigned). This is the sort of material that degrades the public sphere that is Wikipedia. Also, the insistence on calling this particular account about Gorky's "murder" a proven fact, but only citing the author's article rather than sources that would be widely recognized as reliable, also runs against the Wikipedia's purposes--not a forum for argument and debate (there are many such places) but an attempt to gather the best and most documentable facts. As a working historian who studies Russian history for a living, I have not seen convincing or widely accepted evidence that Gorky was murdered, though rumors that Stalin murdered him have long been around. Of course, many people stood trial and were convicted in Stalin's Russia who were innocent of those charges (and proven innocent by both later Soviet decision and by professional historical research.--Peshkov 02:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding the link, please see WP:RS and WP:OR. Re. RFM's uncivil nonsense, review WP:CIVILITY, WP:NPA and WP:TPG. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * These are all very sound pages of advice. I am learning more (and more things positive) about Wikipedia all the time.--Peshkov 17:51, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Gorky committed suicide
according to Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar. He finally realised what a mistake it was to financially back the communists and what a complete street mafia the communists were. His daughter fled to Nazi Germany (of all places!). After the war Stalin put out the lie that she was a Soviet Spy (she wasn't) in order to save her. Towards the end of his life he refused to see Stalin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.195.108.45 (talk) 15:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

His autobiographies: My Childhood and the other two
I think these should be mentioned, rather than just in one or two words at most. They are about Gorky, and the first one which I've read is a good read also. 80.0.121.90 (talk) 01:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Can somebody help explain this?
"Two years later at the age of 12 in 1880 he ran away from home and was trying to find his grandmother." His novel Childhood (first part of the autobiographical novel trilogy) has the story differently, I doubt. He was not trying to find his grandmother. He left behind his grandparents. Can somebody explain about it? --59.165.190.49 (talk) 08:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Dedications?
Why no mention of the city and two parks that were named in his honor? Seems like they're notable enough to deserve a mention in the article. Lurlock (talk) 23:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)