Talk:Maximian/Archive 1

Tetrarchy
Didn't the tetrarchy start in 286 AD?

I wasn't aware of the Twinkie Revolution. but I also don't really know how to edit things so I just thought I'd call it out.

--Tnmonaghan (talk) 06:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I properly fixed it - 67.40.180.201 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.40.180.201 (talk) 06:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Campaigns in 286 and 287
Bit confusing this section. The 1st para starts with the campaign season of 287, the 2nd then jumps back to 286. In the 1st para the relevance of Frankish situation is not clear and escapes me, and the whole barbarian raid thing is dealt with vaguely and somewhat peremptorily.

Is it the case that the defeat of the Burgundian, Alemanni, Heruli and Chaibone tribes occured in Gaul in 286, and that this cleared they way for the invasion across the Rhine in 287? Are these actions part of the greater threat that forced Maximian to ignore Carausius' rebellion during this period? --FactotEm (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The dating of this period is confusing, and varies from source to source without much explanation, so I've stripped the dates from the section. The Frankish situation is more important to Carausius' threat than any of the campaigns in this period. I've removed the comment about the lack of cohesion among the Franks. "The whole barbarian raid thing is dealt with vaguely and somewhat peremptorily": there's a necessary vagueness in the sources about this. I've followed Barnes here, who gives the same account. Do you have any suggestions about what should be corrected or improved? Geuiwogbil (Talk) 18:40, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Removing the dates effectively removes any issue I had with this section - it reads a whole lot better now. --FactotEm (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Campaign against Allectus
"Constantius marched up the coast again to the estuaries of the Rhine and Scheldt, where he proceeded to fight Carausius's Frankish allies once more" Successfully? What was the outcome? --FactotEm (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Victory. So noted. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 18:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Leisure and retirement & Maxentius's rebellion
A little confused about the succession here. In the Leisure and retirement section it is stated that Constantius and Galerius became Augustii, and whilst Maxentius and Constantine might have been expected to become Caesars, in fact these positions went to Licinius and Maximinus. Then, in the next section, it is stated that when Augustus Constantius died and his son Constantine assumed the title of Augustus, it was Severus who was elevated to Augustus by Galerius. Checking the article on Severus, it seems he, not Licinius, was made Caesar in 305. Perhaps this can be clarified in the article? It might also be worth adding a comment about how Severus/Licinius and Maximinus came to succeed as Caesars (the relationship of Maxentius and Constantine with the main players in the article is well established by this stage, but the actual new Caesars in 305, in article terms, come out of the blue) --FactotEm (talk) 18:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, you're right! ('doh) I've clarified the title changes, hopefully. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 18:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Still think you could expand a little on why Severus and Maximinus got the job. Perhaps somethings along the lines of "...the arranged progression saw Galerius' proteges Severus and Maximinus..." if the source(s) support that. --FactotEm (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've clarified their qualifications. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 19:16, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * That's the badger. --FactotEm (talk) 19:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)