Talk:Maximum takeoff weight

Comments
I've included some information about air-density and its effect on MTOW. Probably needs some editing, I'm not really happy with the flow, but couldn't figure a better way right now to express it. I'll look it over later.

What more is required to get this out of stub-state? Would it be useful to include example air-density calculations? ---User:Atombaby 5 November 2004 —Preceding undated comment added 19:15, 5 November 2004 (UTC)

Suggestion
Maybe someone who knows more than I do could add a few words about the difference between MTOW and maximum ramp weight of an aircraft. BadaBoom (talk) 02:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. The difference is start-up and taxi fuel. MSTM (maximum structural taxi mass, aka max ramp mass) is the maximum permissable mass for the acft fully loaded with crew, equipment, pax, baggage, freight and fuel, ready to start. MTOM (max take-off mass) is the same but at the start of the T/O run. The difference between the two is the fuel burnt during start up and taxi to the runway. Note that these are structural limits, i.e. the acft may be structurally compromised beyond these values. On top of that we have Regulated limits, which are published for aerodromes and impose mass limitations depending on runway length and pavement type, aerodrome altitude, weather factors (wind, temperature, precipitation) flap setting and other variables. The lowest of the two must be used as the limit for loading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.247.137.134 (talk) 09:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move (2012)

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 06:42, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Maximum Takeoff Weight → Maximum takeoff weight –

Per WP:MOSCAPS ("Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization") and WP:TITLE, this is a generic, common term, not a propriety or commercial term, so the article title should be downcased. In addition, WP:MOSCAPS says that a compound item should not be upper-cased just because it is abbreviated with caps. Lowercase will match the formatting of related article titles.

This is related to a current RM on Maximum Landing Weight Tony   (talk)  01:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that this article should be re-named "Maximum takeoff weight". Dolphin  ( t ) 03:40, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Redirect from MGTOW
Why does MGTOW redirecting here? Makes no sense at all. The acronym does not fit — there is no word that represents the «G» and if you Google MGTOW then 99 of the first 100 hits is “Men Going Their Own Way”. Only one in 100 hit is “Maximum gross takeoff weight” which is not mentioned on this page. So I guess “Maximum gross takeoff weight” is not a common term. --Krischik T 18:32, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * What should it redirect to? Dolphin  ( t ) 21:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * MGTOW is Men Going Their Own Way (see www.mgtow.com ) so a redirect to the Men's Rights Movement( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement ) might make more logical sense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.173.20 (talk) 03:36, 10 March 2015‎

It is not a "men's rights movement", its entirely different. Its a political thought philosophy.78.151.187.65 (talk) 04:35, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * It is reasonable to assume that at some point a disambiguation of terms will be required. Both Google's and DuckDuckGo's first page search results return the political ideology rather than the aviation concept, so clearly people are both discussing and searching for it routinely. DuckDuckGo's results are particularly relevant here as they explicitly exclude filter bubble bias.


 * I don't know the ins and outs of Wikipedia's rules for notability, but clearly MGTOW as a political ideology will need to be acknowledged as extant, soon, if not presently. Cfuse (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have added reference to "maximum gross takeoff weight (MGTOW)". See my diff. Dolphin  ( t ) 07:50, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

This is not MGTOW this is MTW
MGTOW is a mens movement called "Men Going Their Own Way" with thousands of videos on youtube, books wrote on and several big websites. Can this be changed around? MTW is not MGTOW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.31.141 (talk) 03:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have created a new page called MGTOW (Men's rights). (It re-directs to Men's rights movement.) It appears in the search box whenever a User enters "mgtow" or "MGTOW".
 * I have also created MGTOW (Aviation). I will attempt to erase Mgtow - it has served its purpose and can now be deleted. Dolphin  ( t ) 07:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

hey, MGTOW IS NOT mens rights movement, it is entirely different philosophy, its like Hinduism sharing a page with Buddhism. It needs its own page.78.151.187.65 (talk) 04:36, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe you haven't read the first two entries in this thread. Wikipedia has TWO articles using the acronym MGTOW. They are:
 * MGTOW (Aviation)
 * MGTOW (Men's rights)
 * Dolphin ( t ) 05:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Men Going Their Own Way now has its own article. And yes, DuckDuckGo returns its website as the first search hit. So, much as it pains me to see this industry-standard aeronautical term demoted, I fear that - until the hubbub dies down in a few years' time - the Men have it and MGTOW should be redirected accordingly. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

"MGTOW"
The usage and topic of is under discussion, see talk:MGTOW and Talk:Men_Going_Their_Own_Way for two separate discussions. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The usage of mgtow was also affected (see talk:mgtow) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Examples?
Seems to me like the article would benefit from some examples of takeoff weights, especially some typical values for commercial aircraft model, and maximal payloads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.139.254.117 (talk) 23:48, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Air Density
The article says that the following affect Max Permitted TOW:
 * "Airfield altitude (height above sea-level) – This affects air pressure which affects maximum engine power or thrust.
 * Air temperature – This affects air density which affects maximum engine power or thrust."

While it is certainly true that air density effects the output of both piston and jet engines, I have always understood that the more important effect of reduced air density was reduced lift. Is that not correct? .     Jim. .  (Jameslwoodward)   (talk to me) 10:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC)