Talk:Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too

Delisted GA
This article no longer complies with the Good Article criteria, more specifically, the part of the criteria dealing with Neutrality. When it was passed back in February it seems, I don't think we even had criteria.....but the point is, we do now, and look at your section on songs. It is compleatly filled with unsourced quality judgements, a theme i've noticed in almost every single article related to musicians or bands, and I don't know if people just want to be music critics or what, but if you must be a music critic here, you should know that is not a Neutral point of view in terms of Wikipedia's policies. Homestarmy 01:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 23:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Critical reception section
I've reworded the "critical reception" section for neutrality, but here's the old version, if anyone feels there are salvageable parts of it. - Anotheronewiki (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

The sound of Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too has often been compared to a wide range of atypical influences for a modern pop-rock album, such as Todd Rundgren, World Party, Hall & Oates and the early work of Prince and Mick Jagger from The Rolling Stones. And while even some unfavorable critics had to admit that—musically—the album, with its upbeat pop-rock and influences of funk and soul, was a "well-crafted project" and one of "the more promising releases of late 1998", others found that the record was "a contradictory mash-up of polemic, white funk, loved-up yelping and nasty AOR guitar solos that wallops pop music into genuinely heartstopping new shapes for a bit," stating that the album "then freefalls like a shot duck."

The album's lyrics, with Alexander complaining about the commercialisation of Western society, media and religion, also divided critics. While some found that Alexander's social criticism and observations "would sound clichéd if they weren't so insightful and articulated with such uninhibited truth", others deemed these attacks "shallow posturing" and "empty social pronouncements".

Unsourced Info
The following information, while interesting, is unsourced on the page:

The drums on the album's title track were sampled from the XTC song 'All of a Sudden' (from their "English Settlement" album). According to XTC's songwriter Andy Partridge, "the sample was used without permission" and the band and its record company eventually received £70,000 in compensation for its use.

As there is no source listed, and I am unable to find a source anywhere that lists this information, I have removed it from the article. If anyone can find a source with this information, please put the information back into the article. Anotheronewiki (talk) 12:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Removed vandalism
"In a rush for some "filler" to shim out the single: The drums on the The New Radicals Debut album's Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too title track were sampled from the XTC song 'All of a Sudden' (from their English Settlement album). According to XTC's songwriter Andy Partridge, "the sample was used without permission" (read: plaugerised) and the band and its record company eventually received £70,000 (K-Smacked) in compensation for its use." It is unsourced, misspelled and biased; if a source were mentioned, then some of the info would be helpful, but no sources are cited.Anotheronewiki (talk) 00:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Lead Section
The lead section does need some work. What should be added? I'll try to add some info on critical reception and the recording of the album.Anotheronewiki (talk) 00:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced info
I just removed some more info from this page that I was unable to verify. Here it is, if someone can find a source for it and add it back into the article.

Note
 * The Japanese release of the album is listed as ブレインウォッシュ (Romaji: Bureinwosshu, or "Brainwash") on its spine.

-Anotheronewiki (talk) 02:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Singles
I noticed that a wikipedian removed all mentions of "Someday We'll Know" as a single. I would like to discuss whether it was the proper thing to do. True, the group disbanded before the song was officially released, but it was still a single, and it still had a music video and charted in several countries. Further, multiple sources (including Discogs and Consequence of Sound) include info that supports its being called a single. Therefore, I think it would be best top still refer to the song as a single, since it was released and it did chart. Thoughts? -Anotheronewiki (talk) 21:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * For now, as a compromise, I added back in the info about "Someday We'll Know" but refrained from calling it a single, instead calling it a song and noting the group's separation before the song's release. Before anyone removes it again, I think it would be good if we could please have a discussion regarding its removal. I also added more citations, so if you plan to remove it again, please provide some rationale, or better yet, find citations that support its removal. -Anotheronewiki (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

B-Sides and Outtakes
I've removed the "B-Sides and Outtakes" section from the article, for two reasons: 1. Basically all the citations in the section were from Discogs, which is user-generated and not reliable, per WP:ALBUMAVOID. 2. Since none of the songs mentioned in the article actually appear on the album, it doesn't seem like they should be mentioned on the page about the album. If anyone has any suggestions for how to improve the section so we can put it back into the article, be my guest. However, I feel that, in its present state, the section doesn't really belong in the article. Thoughts? -Anotheronewiki (talk) 12:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

The section, posted here for posterity: Two additional tracks were recorded during the sessions and released as B Sides: "To Think I Thought", which was a bonus track on the Japanese version of the album and on the "You Get What You Give" CD single; and "The Decency League", featured on the "Someday We'll Know" CD single. A 2003 song released by Alexander, "A Love Like That," is supposedly an outtake because some of its lyrics appear in the booklet for the album.