Talk:Mayday (Canadian TV series)/Archive 1

Title
I tried redirecting this page by following the directions on one of Wikipedia's Help pages but it seems I'm doing something wrong, I'm not sure. It will be up to someone else. There is already a page for this series here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Crash_Investigation

"Mayday" is an alternate title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frédéric Chopin 2027 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

"Mayday" is not an alternate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stoikiometry (talk • contribs) 16:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Appropriate title
The article was renamed Mayday, since it's a Canadian production, and the title in Canada is as such. -- AirOdyssey 01:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Not many countries have Discovery Channel Canada but more countries have National Geographic Channel. So most people would refer to Mayday as Air Crash Investigation. Mayday is an alternate title.

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 * Do you have anything to substantiate that claim? I don't want to have to revert your edit one more time. P.S. It's a lot easier to sign your posts by putting four tildes (~) instead. AirOdyssey (Talk) 04:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Refer to "Change the page!" below as well. AirOdyssey (Talk) 05:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I have evidence to prove more countries have National Geographic. Look at the Broadcasters section of the Mayday page. It shows that Discovery Channel Canada is only broadcast in Canada while National Geographic is shown throughout the world.

202.95.200.12 08:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, the title of this article is the Canadian one, "Mayday" and NOT "Air Crash Investigation", as a result of consensus from other Wikipedia users. So I believe that as a result, the Canadian titles should have priority, and the international titles should still be there, in parentheses. What is your opinion about that? AirOdyssey (Talk) 11:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And by the way, "Mayday" is NOT an alternate. It is THE title. Refer to the production company's website:  AirOdyssey (Talk) 12:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking at National Geographic's right now. All of season 1 is titled "Mayday: Air Disaster" except episode 3, which is simply "Mayday." Also, the narrator wasn't replaced. I didn't go through every episode, but they're pretty much identical except for: the title, resolution, and editing. (DCC edits out some junk to get 46 minutes) "Air Crash Investigation" starts with season 2. Also, episode 2 of season 2 is titled "A Wounded Bird." I don't know where that extra title came from. Stoikiometry 04:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Upon reading the article, this might be the Australian one. I don't know. Stoikiometry 04:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Every episode I have seen in the past year or so has been titled "Air Emergency". Also, the National Geographic Website refers to this program as Air Emergency. They do not have those other titles listed. I believe that the title needs to be changed again, to "Air Emergency". This is for the U.S. anyways. I do not know about other countries.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/programs/air-emergency.html

We could also add the different titles to the main National Geographic Channel Wikipedia page and have them direct to the same link. I think that would be the best idea.

Air Crash Investigation would be the best title as its the international title of the show broadcasted on National Geographic which is available in most countries in the world. Only the US have the as Air Emergency and Canada as Mayday. 110.33.186.81 (talk) 23:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Episodes 11 and 12
Please leave Silkair 185 on the page because it is part of the mayday series even though the intro does not look the same.

You should add your message to the bottom; I didn't see it until now. 'Silkair' may be episode 12 but it definitely doesn't replace "Crash of the Century". I got a look at 'Air Crash Investigations' and everything is the same except narrator, title, and names of select episodes. I think the article should support all versions and have 'season 4' where it exists in 'Mayday'. Stoikiometry 05:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

These episodes are not part of this series, so i removed them. Episode 11 (Crash of the Century/Collision on the Runway) is part of the Seconds from Disaster series, and Episode 12 is a separate documentary. SchueyFan 08:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure about this? I just saw "Crash of the Century" a few days ago on Discovery Canada, and it was definitely part of the Mayday series. If it wasn't shown as part of the series in other markets, does that mean it's not part of the series?

SchueyFan, what do you mean by 'add source'? If "Crash of the Century" isn't aired outside Canada that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If 'source' means 'proof' I had recorded it and it's on my computer. 74.120.184.186 01:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i thought it was part of another series, as it was referred to at one stage as being 'also known as Collision on the Runway', which is a Seconds from Disaster episode. I didn't know that it was only in Canada. Thanks for proving it is a Mayday episode - you can add it back whenever you wish. Also, why was it on Discovery Channel, when most Mayday/Air Crash Investigation shows are on National Geographic Channel. Seems confusing... SchueyFan 12:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I added ep. 11 back in. The channel I was referring to is Discovery Canada, by the way, which is quite distinct from the US Discovery channel. It is showing Mayday on Saturdays... and I suspect that ep. 12 was also shown, but I missed it, so I am not 100% sure about this one. vttoth

Agreed. I wouldn't re-add #12 just yet. I've been keeping track of what TDC Canada was showing (a bit erratic with end of S3 and S4) and #12 hasn't popped up. http://www.discoverychannel.ca/_listings/ It would be nice to know why 82.7.41.51 removed some original episode names and replaced #11 with one I've never heard of. Stoikiometry 19:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, why would they show it only in Australia? To reply to Stoikiometry, this is probably because in many areas (such as australia, where i am), the episodes are only referred to under those names. Regarding the SilkAir Pilot Suicide Episode; I'm pretty sure that this episode isn't part of this series, though. It has aired in Australia under its own name, not under the 'Air Crash Investigation' name, which all other episodes go under. SchueyFan 06:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but at least both names were there before. It hasn't been restored yet so I'll do that now. Stoikiometry 01:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I think crash scene investigation should be a different article even though it was made by the same people who made mayday. You could call it Mayday 2.

Ive got three ideas for Crash Scene Investigation season 2: Episode 1 - Moorgate Tube Crash Episode 2 - M/S Estonia Episode 3 - USS Thresher

For some reason, the alternative names are gone again, so is Crash of the Century - and the SilkAir episode is back in... Crash Scene Investigation still has its own article, and i think it deserves to keep itSchueyFan 13:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

They alternatives are not gone, just replaced the originals. 82.7.41.51 is making it his/her personal article removing evidence of the original. I made for compromise with SilkAir as episode 12 but 'Crash of the Century' (the real episode 11) was removed again. I never said to remove the 'Crash Scene Investigation' article hence the note for season 4 "Outside Canada see Crash Scene Investigation". 82.7.41.51 is being ignorant not vandalizing but I'm not going to be involved in an edit war. Stoikiometry 21:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I saw Crash of the Century a few weeks ago and it definitely is produced by the same people, uses the same narrator, and has the same look and feel of the series. Why isn't this included? At least put it in and make a note or something.

It should be in, and was in - but it was removed - as mentioned above... SchueyFan 13:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

"Crash of the Century" should be left on the Mayday page. I come from a not-very-well-known country called Papua New Guinea and I've seen "Crash of the Century". I mean, that 2 hour show is shown around the world.

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I just saw "Crash of the Century" today on Discovery Channel Canada, and it was definitely a MayDay episode, why is it missing from this page? I'm not going to add it if it's just going to get deleted. It's this disaster here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_disaster and is on the Discovery Channel page here: http://www.discoverychannel.ca/shows/videolist.aspx?sid=452 or http://broadband.discoverychannel.ca/?vid=8619 "Mayday 514, Crash of the Century, A Terrorist group in La Palma..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.158.234 (talk) 16:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Crash of the Century isn't a mayday/air crash investigation episode as it has a different starting but is made by cineflix which also makes Mayday. It isn't a Seconds From Disaster episode as there is already a Seconds From Disaster episode about that crash. Channel 7 in Australia played the Seconds From Disaster episode about the crash as Air Crash Investigation even though its not. Alexandarkotevski (talk) 23:30, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Special episodes section
I saw the Tenerife episode. It was broadcast both as a 2-hour special in the French-Canadian version of the show ("Danger dans les airs"), and as 1-hour regular episode in "Mayday", with same intro, narrator, etc. Therefore, I created a separate section, since no one seems to agree if they are part of the series or what not. One thing is for sure: it appears on the listing (as of September 4, 2006) : See Discovery Channel Canada website No news about the SilkAir episode, though.

This is a Canadian production, and I corrected the names of the episodes to reflect those used in Canada. -- AirOdyssey 20:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It's possible season 3 is only 10 episodes and the 1-hour Mayday version of Tenerife is like a special, but it was aired immediately after Ocean Landing. Stoikiometry 19:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

"Air Crash Investigations - Seconds From Disaster- Collision On The Runway" is how it is titled in the copy I have. There is also "Air Crash Investigations - Seconds From Disaster - Concorde", about the 2000 crash. --Guinnog 08:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably because they (Seconds from Disater and Mayday) don't want to cover the same event twice. SchueyFan 14:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Crash of the Century has no relation to Seconds From Disaster. Seconds From Disaster titles the Tenerife collision as Collision on the Runway and runs for only an hour.

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Hello all I do not understand why people think it is good to have the episode lists on the main page, I had made a individual page for them a long time ago and it made the main page neat, tidy and also the episode page was neat tidy and easily understood. However, with the current arrangment I believe that the main page now looks very very cluttered, in bad form, messy and extremely difficult to understand. Whoever, decided to make this decision and delete my work, I must say it has made the page appear utterly pathetic, I hope other people will consider my suggestion and hopefully revert it back to the tidy setup I made in the past. Thankyou.

--Aaron J Nicoli 13:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean. It looks ridiculous now.  The whole idea of "aircraft type" is useless and can be found in the article for the plane's flight number (probably where they came from).  "Nature of Disaster" is totally cluttered and accounts for most of the damage.  I'm thinking we should redo these which should indicate the "nature" of the disaster, not the cause. As for airdates, I'm not sure.  Mayday is aired in more than one place at different times.  It should probably be stripped too.  The only listing I've found is on DCC's website (hard to find) which agrees with most of the current order, except Head-On Collision and season 4. Stoikiometry 04:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Change the Page!
Mayday is a Canadian production but not many countries have Discovery Channel Canada. Countries have more of National Geographic Channel so the page should be named Air Crash Investigation. The TV documentary is put on many other TV networks and might rename different episodes. There should be an area for National Geographic titles (main titles), Discovery Canada titles and other networks titles. You should put the dates in the episode texts in case people forget the date or take no notice of the Date of Disaster column.
 * Don't be silly. The name of the show is set by the production company, and that is independent on how many people happen to be in the home country of the production company.  The name is changed in other markets that happen to have more people, which does not negate the fact of the original and still ongoing name of the show where it is produced.  What if everyone in China were to in the future see it as "Airplane Misfortune" in Chinese or whatever they call it?  199.247.253.42 (talk) 08:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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P.S.: I am getting VERY angry about the changes!

No Merging!
I have heard that Crash Scene Investigation will be joined with Mayday. This shouldn't happen because despite being a spin-off, Crash Scene Investigation is completely different. It has episodes about train and ship disasters.

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 * Threats are a poor way to cooperate in wikipedia. Also, I agree with the proposed merge. "Completely different" is subjective I guess, because they sound exactly the same to me, with just the one difference. quadpus 13:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~ ) quadpus 13:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about being angry. It usually happens to me even though I'm 11 years old. I don't really know how to do tildes but I'll give it a try. Well, I do think Crash Scene Investigation is the same as Mayday with their presentation to the disasters. Except the types of disasters. The pages shouldn't merge.

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P.S.: Don't worry. I'm in a good mood now. No threats fro now.--202.95.200.3 13:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not you're in a good mood, no personal attacks. Please don't repeat that, you will be blocked. Thanks - xC -  |  ☎  16:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Crash Scene Investigation
Does anyone other than object to this merge? If not I'll go ahead and do it in the next couple of days. Crash Scene Investigation is part of Mayday, and a pretty paltry article to stand on its own. quadpus 23:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope. As of now, no other objections. Please go ahead with the merge, I don't know enough about the subject to really lend a hand, but if anything comes up, drop me a line on my talk page. Happy editing, cheers! - xC -  |  ☎  13:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I object. Why should it be merged? There's no justification I see for it to be merged, and it is a different series, just like CSI: Crime Scene Investigation and CSI:Miami are different series.--Prosfilaes 14:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As they are produced, in their native country, they are not different series - they are both simply "Mayday". The CSI pages are separate because they are extremely popular shows and each page contains too much information to be smashed together. They even have separate pages for every episode. quadpus 22:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I know I didn't want any merging BUT I think it we can go ahead with the merging. Although different, they're the same thing. Possibly put the spin-off episodes in season 3 as this was when they were made, but note that it is part of Crash Scene Investigation.

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 * I, too, object the merge. They are two different TV programs to start with and besides, most of the folks who watch Air Crash Investigation are aviation enthusiasts, including me. I don’t think we are very interested watching stupid train crashes. En51cm 20:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I am in favour of the merge, providing it separates the two parts up in the article under the headings used in foreign countries each with a short text about that section. I don't think that En51cm can make the claim that most people who watch it are aviation enthusiasts - I wouldn't call myself an enthusiast, but I watch the show.
 * Alternatively, create a Mayday article with general Canadian stuff, a Air Crash article with this program and then a Crash Scene article with that information. Then simply link from Mayday to the other two. -- Philipwhiuk 22:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Another "Mayday" TV series - about ship disasters
Channel 4 in Britain broadcast a completely different TV series called "Mayday". It was about shipping disasters, and had four parts: "Deadly Playground", "Lost at Sea", "On the Bridge" and "Fatal Flaw". --GCarty 16:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Airdates
I've put in some airdates for seasons 3 & 4 according to the Internet Movie Database (the website's at the bottom of the Mayday page). I'm not really sure if they're correct for a start because the episodes didn't go in order so I put them in order of their airdates. If there is something wrong with the airdates, correct the mistakes.

--202.95.200.12 03:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think something is wrong with them. Season 4 Episode 4, for example, I watched here in Australia on television several months ago, yet it says it aired merely days ago? -- Razor ICE  13:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Some airdates may be Discovery Channel Canada. Mayday is aired in more than one place at different times.  Airdates should be removed since they're useless and add to the clutter. Stoikiometry 21:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree we should remove the airdates anyway. They're unreliable and don't match the order of the episodes. Can I go ahead with the deletion of the airdates?

--202.95.200.12 23:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and remove them. I believe having original airdates is useful, but they need to make sense. I started adding them as listed in official Cineflix press releases, because I thought those would be the earliest, but it looks like some places are broadcast even sooner. Quadpus 00:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll go ahead. --202.95.200.12 09:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Absent Disasters of Significance
What's wrong with saying that the world's biggest mid-air collision ever, Saudia_Flight_763, hasn't been shown on any episode of the series? Tri400 09:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This is not a general air-disaster article. The information here is what they have done. Stoikiometry 18:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a page that is made by the producers of the show. "Lets just igonre the biggest mid-air collision ever". Tri400 02:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You may disagree with some Wikipedian's opinions. It doesn't mean they are the producers or that they share their point of view. AirOdyssey (Talk) 02:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It is pointless to list the incidents the show had not (yet) covered. several reasons:
 * The show is still running
 * Is there any requirement that the show must cover all incidents?
 * is size of the incident criteria for being included?
 * what proportion of the world's air disasters are covered by the series? If they did an episode of everydisaster except the one you mention, then that might be something we should mention
 * related to above, if we list one accident that the show has not covered, does that mean we should list all (!) air accidents the show has never covered?
 * Format 22:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Im talking about the BIGGEST mid-air collision ever in history, killing 349 passengers. So basically its not just "any" old incident but a huge accident. Tri400 03:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Why do we need it anyway? By the way, the biggest crash was at Tenerife and NOT over New Delhi!

202.95.200.12 05:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Tenerife was not a mid-air collision; it was on the runway. Stoikiometry 07:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

With words like "Why did the brakes fail?" and "How could this happen?" throughout the article, It reads like an ad from the producers. Moreover, the series covered the Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 mid-air collision which killed 71 people. It is obviously useful to include the Charkhi Dadri crash as a notable absense. Is is absent because it happened in a 3rd world country with Saudi and Russian airplanes and not European or North American ones? It may even put pressure on the producers to create an episode on this crash that killed all 349 onboard, considering how many people read Wikipedia. Tri400 11:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Given WP requires credible external sources for all information, adding in conjecture about why they do or don't include crashes would be original research and will be quickly reverted. No other TV program articles have speculation about things never included in the show, like "Bewitched never did a storyline where Darrin falls in love with Endora... gee I wonder why they never did this?!" And we can't theorise here either. WP just does not include this speculation about what things are not. Format 12:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Missing the Point yet again, I've never edited the series article to say WHY this crash was missing from the series, rather, the fact that it IS missing. And your comparison with a FICTIONAL series is not rational. Tri400 12:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no reason to add one crash that wasn't shown on the show. You think it should be on the show, but that's very POV. It's one of many that's not on the show, and singling it out because of the number of deaths is imposing our own POV about what should be on the show. (Personally, I think it's largely redundant with Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937.)


 * Furthermore, your complaints about the current content being an ad doesn't affect this. The way to fix POV issues is not to add your own POV, it's to rewrite the current text to be neutral.--Prosfilaes 09:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it premature to say which disasters were not included, since the series is still producing new episodes? It is only reasonable that the disasters least costly to produce and with highest audience draw might be done first. There will be some audience fall off with stories on third world country disasters simply because it is more difficult for the world wide audience to identify with the disaster victims. It is not fair and not completely rational, but this is a reality that the producers have to deal with. I do not see what distinguishes this production from most other similar productions in that respect. To point out which disasters have not been covered seems like biased treatment of the series.Rocket Laser Man 20:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well they have done an episode on it now. Format (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 2008, Season 7, episode 5. : ) AMCKen (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Series only shows recent (last 30 years) accidents
We need to mention that the series focuses on crashes and accidents that took place since the introduction of Black Boxes. It doesnt show the accidents that happened more than 30 years ago. But of course, since this article is run by the producers of the show and others with vested interests, my excellent suggestion will not be implemented. Tri400 12:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It is not clear what your point is or even what your suggestion would be. Are you suggesting that the producers dramatize events of more than thirty years ago? Clearly this would be most difficult and expensive since reconstructing those incidents without the documentation that exists for more recent incidents would require considerable research, and be subject to unreliable hearsay. I think that "Survival in the Sky" did a great job with British European Airways Flight 548 (AKA the Staines Air Disaster) and with the de Havilland Comet, but it was not a dramatized series the way that Mayday is. Or is your point that the wiki article should cover incidents not in the Mayday series? That does not seem appropriate, since the article is about the series. If your suggestion is to the producers of Mayday, I do not think it should appear in the wiki article. The article is not conceived as a method to communicate to the producers of the series, who probably do not even read the article. However, it seems entirely appropriate to me to mention that the series does focus on recent incidents in a neutral matter-of-fact way. To suggest that there is some sinister reason for this seems inappropriate unless there is some substantiation for the claim.Rocket Laser Man 16:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

My point is that the show only shows the accidents since the introduction of Black Boxes, obviously as a matter of convenience, because the eyewitness accounts would be harder to come by for non-Black Box accidents. Having said that, the NTSB has only ever produced 4 reports in its history with the where the cause of the accident was reported as "undetermined" so the NTSB is pretty dam good at its job. Therefore, there is no strong reason for this series to ignore major air accidents that did not involve Black Boxes. BTW i would love to see them make episodes on major air disasters before the era of Black Boxes. To sum up, This page sweeps under the carpet whatever flaws I point out about the show, giving me the strong opinion that it is run by the producer's sympathizers. What's wrong with pointing out the fact that the accidents shown on the series have all been during the last 30 years? Isnt it a fair critisizm?Tri400 12:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair is a POV! There's no need to criticize at all; we neutrally state the facts about the show. If the show were an analyzed work, like Ulysses, then we might refer to that criticism, but in a minor TV series that doesn't have the benefit of academic or even popular published analysis, we add no criticism at all. That is what WP:V demands.--Prosfilaes 13:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Series Logo
Why is there no Air Crash Investigation logo on this page like there is on so many pages, such as Seinfeld, Dilbert? Instead we have a Japan Airlines CGI. Tri400 18:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no definitive logo, unless you want to display them all. (Mayday, Mayday: Air Disaster, Air Crash Investigation, Air Emergency, Crash Scene Investigation) Stoikiometry 02:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

We could put the different Air Crash Investigation logos in a special section on the page and put CGI images in another special section (though not all CGI images). 202.95.200.12 07:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Since this pages is called Air Crash Investigations why dont we show the logo for that name? Tri400 14:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I put up a logo for "Survival in the Sky" and got shot down because of the fair use of a copyrighted image. I couldn't afford a legal determination, so it was removed. Good luck with a logo! Rocket Laser Man 21:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Season 4, Episodes 11 & 12
Who added these extra episodes, KAL Shoot Down and Deadly Collision? Is there any evidence that they exist at all? 124.107.20.50 04:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it looks like 4.12 is a hoax. Also 4.11 may be an episode, but not from that season. See Articles for deletion/Thai Airways Flight 358 and Talk:Thai Airways Flight 358. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 05:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Moving episode descriptions to separate page
As drawn to our attention by an anonymous user, we have an extant page entitled List of Mayday episodes, which resembled the episode guide on this main page, but with far less detail. Some had suggested, back in April, merging that page into this one, which would make no sense the content already exists in greater detail here. However, Wikipedia commonly creates a separate page for episode lists of television series. This covers everything from cartoons to dramas, and is a consistent practice. Because of this, I have copied the episode section from this page to the List of Mayday episodes page, and deleted the same section on the main page. There is absolutely no reason to duplicate content, and since shows from Darkwing Duck to NYPD Blue, West Wing, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and many more all use this pattern, we might as well use it here. Otherwise, the main page for Mayday/ACI will get far too long when the next season comes out, bringing the episode count to 50. I would urge that this not be simply reverted. I thought it was a sensible change; if anyone objects, let's discuss it here and/or on the Mayday episode list talk page. Cheers. Sacxpert 17:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate Link
Do we really need to have a link to this site on the page. Most of the information can be found from other more reliable sources like the IMDB page and the information about Season 5 I am sure could be confirmed again by a more reliable site that doesn't include potentially illegal episode downloads also being offered. Xtreme racer 06:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right. The fact that they don't have accurate info is another reason to remove it. I'll do so now. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 17:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Another spin-off of Air Crash Investigation?
I think I've found another spin-off of Air Crash Investigation. I saw it on NGC and it's called "Trapped". It talks about survival situations from the past and how the survivors stayed alive. "Trapped" has the same narrator as ACI but I'm not sure if it is a spin-off. I don't know if Cineflix made it. Can anyone help sort this out? By the way, I've already heard of the first two episodes: 1. Alive in the Andes (seen it, Uruguayan football team's aircraft crashes into the Andes) 2. Ocean Emergency (haven't seen it but has to do with a ship trapped in rough weather and a problem onboard).

202.95.200.17 10:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You could check their website. I can't directly link to it but you can find it at the top http://cineflix.com/home/section/19 129.97.254.239 (talk) 17:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I check the website you gave me. I typed in "Trapped" in the search box and found out that it's not a spin-off. But while I was doing that, I noticed an unknown definite spin-off of ACI. It's called "Mayday: Science of Disaster". It has three episodes that look into different forms of aviation tragedies. Is it worth adding?

202.95.200.17 (talk) 09:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

DVD
Hello, are there any plans for a dvd of the past 5 series? I would really want to buy it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.214.212 (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too. Visiting amazon.ca, it appears so far a 6-episode collection only is on the way so far (September 2009) 199.247.253.44 (talk) 09:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Crash Scene Investigation
"Crash Scene Investigation" redirects here, but this is a new investigation programme by the makers of Mayday, about rail accidents, ferry disasters,...

http://www1.natgeochannel.co.uk/explore/crashscene Markornikov (talk) 08:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Crash of the Century
Someone keeps removing "Crash of the Century" says its not a spin-off of the series, but if the sources is read along with the website, its clear Cineflix see it as a spin-off. -- d'oh! [talk] 07:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Jonathan Aris
If we are going to list all the people that narrated the series, we will have over 26 names, which is way too much info for the infobox. So I think (if a source is found) this information should be in the distribution section. -- d'oh! [talk] 09:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

My edits
My two edits was reverted, are there any objections with my edits? d'oh! talk 03:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes William 22:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Mayday episodes in article
It's duplicating the list of episodes page.

Wikipedia, where a show has a list of episodes page, the article on the show itself just has the link to the list page.

For instance these shows

Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C. Get Smart Star Trek: The Original Series The West Wing Benson (TV series)

and the list goes on and on. The episode list doesn't go into the main article.- William 20:01, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Air Crash Investigations rename.
The series is produced in Canada as "Mayday", and is only broadcast in other countries/markets as "Air Crash Investigations". It should be recorded under its original name, and perhaps linked by its alternate names. Please do not change the references to the name in the article. Somebody else has already reverted the inappropriate edits. Nutster (talk) 15:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Mayday screenshot
The photo was recently removed should we put it back? Qantasplanes (talk) 06:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

American narrator
It seems that when broadcasted on the Smithsonian Channel in the US, the narrator is Bill Ratner, not Stephen Bogaert. Should this be reflected in the article? 98.116.69.250 (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Contradictory info
''The series features re-enactments, interviews, eyewitness testimony, computer-generated imagery, and in nearly all of the episodes, cockpit voice recordings to reconstruct the sequence of events to the audiences. Several passengers and crew members (whether they survived the incident or not) are picked and actors/actresses play the role of those passengers and crews throughout the flight usually starting from boarding of the flight.''

Quoted from the first line of Mayday (TV series). The next line then says this: ''Throughout the episodes the victims or relatives and friends of victims are interviewed. In addition aviation experts, retired pilots and investigators are interviewed on the evidence and explain how these emergencies came about and how they could have been prevented.''

I'm inclined to believe the first statement, but this is very contradictory and it should be cleared up. --95.146.10.246 (talk) 12:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Due to some recent edits
I've asked for the opinion of this wikipedia administrator who works on aviation articles. A editor has made changes to the ACI article page but I'm not sure if they're right or wrong. For instance, the article is ACI but the episodes guide is Mayday. Let's hear what The Bushranger thinks....William 02:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It appears that the show is primarily known as Mayday - note that Cineflix's page on the series lists it as such. While this may or may not be the worldwide WP:COMMONAME, if the article is to be renamed it needs to be through the requested move process, as this is not an uncontroversial move. - The Bushranger One ping only 15:30, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Cineflix does use the name Mayday, so that is what I was thinking too. Thank you....William 19:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Engine Sounds
Yet again, in the episode "Fight For Control", turboprop engines are given piston engine sounds. AMCKen (talk) 18:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Page name change
Given that there is now Mayday (2013 TV series) should the title of this page be changed? Possibly to Mayday (2003 TV series) or similar? Should Mayday (TV series) then be redirected to May_Day_(disambiguation)? 82.28.1.215 (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe, although there would be this confusion between 2003 and 2013. Maybe the best would be to change this article to "Mayday (TV documentary series)". And I think "Mayday (TV series)" should be redirected to the most known show (I think it's still this Mayday). But I don't know. -- Sim(ã)o(n)  * Wanna talk? See my  efforts?  17:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)