Talk:Mayflower

The Flag
I saw that there was a message saying not to change the flag, but is this accurate? From my understanding, this ship never sailed under anything other than the English flag (white field with Red Cross) and never the Great Britain/Union flag. Digital Herodotus (talk) 16:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * It seems that there was a royal decree dated 1606 that ordered both flags be joined together, see:Union_Jack, but according to the decree, it wasn't the blend used 1707-1801, but both flag being sewn together, the english one upside in England, the scottish one upside in Scotland. at least, that's what i undestood.
 * SuperHéraut (talk) 16:57, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The Pennsylvania Mayflower Society says it's the 1606 Union Flag. StAnselm (talk) 17:31, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The flag that was flown on the Pilgrims'ship,The Mayflower would have been the flag of England. The flag is officialy called the St George's Cross and is white with a red cross. TrueBlueOwl86 (talk) 08:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Completely agree, wrong flag. The United Kingdom of Great Britain didn’t exist until 1707 thus the flag currently shown didn’t exist either at that time. Someone is looking at the of the U.K. through the lense of England once again, thinking that they are synonyms. 92.238.86.82 (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No it was originally the Kings Colours before it became the flag of the Union in 1707. The Kings Colours were used by naval an merchant vessels at sea from 1606. Naval flags frequently differ from country flags. Canterbury Tail talk 17:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Pilgrims?
they were called the Pilgrim Fathers, not just the Pilgrims. 86.27.114.142 (talk) 03:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Section on construction and christening?

 * I'm interested in addition a section on the ship's construction (origin, build purpose, etymology, etc). There may be very little information... but if there are some reference suggestions, please post the ideas here. Thanks! StevePrutz (talk) 14:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Findings so far: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mayflower/qk9AXww_XysC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=norway&pg=PA24&printsec=frontcover (Mayflower: A Story of Courage, Community, and War):
 * pp 24: "The Mayflower was a typical merchant vessel of her day: square-rigged and beak bowed, with high, castlelike superstructures fore and aft that protected her cargo and crew in the worst weather, but made beating against the wind a painfully inefficient endeavor. Rated at 180 tons...she was approximately three times the size of the Speedwell and about one hundred feet in length."
 * "The Mayflower's commanding officer, known as the master, was Christopher Jones. About fifty years old, he was also part owner of the ship. Records indicate that Jones had been master of the Mayflower for the last eleven years [1620 - 11 = 1609], sailing back and forth across the [English Channel] with English woolens to France and returning to London with French wine. Wine ships such as the Mayflower were known as "sweet ships", since the inevitable spillage of the acidic wine helped to temper the stench of the bilge. In addition to wine and wool, Jones had transported hats, hemp, Spanish salt, hops, and vinegar to Norway and may have even taken the Mayflower on a whaling voyage to Greenland." StevePrutz (talk) 18:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect date listed
"During the winter, the passengers remained on board Mayflower, suffering an outbreak of a contagious disease described as a mixture of scurvy, pneumonia, and tuberculosis. After it was over, only 53 passengers remained—just over half; half of the crew died as well. In the spring, they built huts ashore, and the passengers disembarked from Mayflower on March 31, 1621 [O.S. March 21, 1620]."

Here it obviously should be March 21, 1621 instead of 1620. There's a discrepancy of 10 days between Julian and Gregorian Calendars so that would make actual sense as opposed to more than a year. 68.185.215.102 (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)