Talk:Mayflower/Archive 3

Historical Accuracy
This paragraph is just to establish a precedence. The Indigenous People of North America were already the inhabitants of the continent long before any of the people on the Mayflower decided to travel across the Atlantic, so there would have been no actual discovery of the land by the Mayflower passengers. 2600:6C67:5A7F:F225:71CA:435A:6A27:4370 (talk) 00:57, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The article does not imply that there was, does it? StAnselm (talk) 03:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see where discovery or discovered is used in this sense. --StellarNerd (talk) 03:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Describir el barco
El barco Mayflower era muy pequeño, no tenia baño y el techo era bajo, ellos se embarcaron con burnas temperaturas,Llegando a él océano Atlántico  tenia fuertes tormentas un comandante y un pasaguero murieron. Despues de 66 dias the pilgrims se bajaron del barco en Cape Code, Massachusetts, ahi era invierno. Algunos murieron por falta de comida, o por frio 2800:810:428:9124:1991:2E20:C8A0:37A9 (talk) 19:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2022
"British", not "English" in this context ("English" is the language, this article does not talk about the language) 206.190.231.82 (talk) 17:42, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: English is more precise. People from England are English, people from Britain are British. All English are British, not all British are English. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Pronouns and definite articles
I did a google search and most of them used definite articles and “it/its” pronouns when referring to the ship. The Mayflower is a ship, not a person. It/its pronouns are also acceptable. I perfer them because people might get confused if the article uses she/her pronouns. GenZenny💖 (talk) 21:53, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You have been repeatedly reverted, and you have been pointed to WP:SHIPPRONOUNS. It is not up to you to arbitrarily change this article against consensus based on what you prefer. Meters (talk) 21:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

But isn’t my version more common? Most sources tend to use my version. And also, I was stating my reasons for changing it, I wasn’t saying that the article should 100% undoubtedly use my version. GenZenny💖 (talk) 22:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * OP blocked. Meters (talk) 00:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


 * In case this ever arises again, WP:SHIPPRONOUNS and WP:SHE4SHIPS both say: “As with all optional styles, articles should not be changed from one style to another unless there is a substantial reason to do so.” There’s also WP:SHIPNAME which says: “Generally, a definite article is not needed before a ship's name, although its use is not technically wrong:
 * Victory was Nelson's flagship ... (preferred)
 * The Victory was Nelson's flagship ... (not recommended)”
 * So on the basis of those style guide entries, I’m opposed to the change. —Northernhenge (talk) 00:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Mayflower arrival
Consideration:

The first reports of the Mayflower by the indigenous was in the month of December.

The reported date of O.S. November 11th would suggest they waited to make their way inland.

At the time they arrived waiting for twenty days was prohibited and their cargo would have reflected this by expiring less they we're underfunded.

The history they had a funding increase close to their departure suggests they would have departed a day later than reported and their provisions would have been the grade reflecting England's economic system.

The indigenous report strongly suggests they would also have had the support of England of their endeavor despite a hostile native population.

I stand by my recent edit that they arrived on or after the 13th with a two-day margin for error. SPiZlE (talk) 18:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:OR Meters (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

America did not exist in the 1600’s
Please make the correction as it is widely known America did not exist in the 1600’s as a country. 2600:4040:523E:7E00:C0D4:8560:F89B:8010 (talk) 18:32, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It was the United States that did not exist as a country, but the article gives no indication that it did. StAnselm (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2023
In the right info bar, change Fate from 'taken apart by Rotherhithe' to 'taken apart in Rotherhithe' Project curvepoint (talk) 23:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: "by" is referring to the shipbreaker located in Rotherhithe, not Rotherhithe itself. Tollens (talk) 00:09, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I see you attempted to make an edit to this question, though it didn't appear to work – if you meant something different please feel free to reactivate the request. Tollens (talk) 00:10, 7 October 2023 (UTC)