Talk:McDonald's/Archive 8

"Macca's" in Australia
The current article states: "McCafé is a café-style accompaniment to McDonald's restaurants. The concept was created by McDonald's Australia, where it is marketed as Macca's, starting with Melbourne in 1993."

There are a couple of problems with this.
 * The name "Macca's" is indeed used in Australia, both by the company and by the public, but generally it is used as a synonym for the entire restaurant (i.e. "McDonald's"), not as a synonym/name for the café (which is still only branded as McCafé).
 * The citation does demonstrate official use of the name Macca's, and does note that the "world’s first McCafé" opened in Melbourne in 1993, but there is nothing on the linked page to back up the (incorrect) notion that Macca's = McCafé.

A minimal fix would be to the following text: "McCafé is a café-style accompaniment to McDonald's restaurants. The concept was created by McDonald's Australia (locally marketed as Macca's), starting with Melbourne in 1993."

However the above minimal amendment is still not as clear as it could be, and I am not convinced that a sub-section on McCafé is the right place to mention the name "Macca's".

On the other hand, I do think that common alternative names for McDonald's should indeed be mentioned in the article. "Macca's" is clearly one of them, but perhaps also "Mickey D's".

—DIV (1.129.104.211 (talk) 07:08, 6 February 2021 (UTC))


 * Late response, but if you're still looking for a response, then here you go. I would agree about most of what you said, except the Mickey D's. Having lived in Australia for most of my life, the only place where I hear people say "McDonalds" is from tourists and foreigners. And yes, Maccas should get a mention. But I tend to disagree with Mickey D's though. While I've not spent too much time in the US (albeit being the place where I've travelled most extensively to), a lot of people still say McDonalds (although that might just be Santa Barbara). SHB2000 (talk) 08:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Best McDonald's Meal EVER
Please add to the article that the best McDonald's customer's choice meal is two McChicken sandwiches and a medium Coke. BEST. MEAL. EVER. Joseph R. Bethersonton (talk) 00:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * . The personal opinion of one Wikipedia editor is inappropriate in an encyclopedia article. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  00:54, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2021
Change “ Number of locations Increase 38,695 restaurants (2019)” To “ Number of locations Increase 39,489 restaurants (2021)” Yeet48 (talk) 17:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2021
Change in section Mcdonald's Restaurant page special diet- add israel info 215 branches 64 of them are koser. Info from mcdonald's israel website 77.127.206.49 (talk) 23:28, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022
please can i edit this for educational reasons BorisJohnson1234 (talk) 15:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2022
Add Burgur king made mcdonalds 129.133.240.225 (talk) 15:00, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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Mcdonalds pullout from russia
Following recent news, the portion of the "criticisms" section referring to McDonalds lack of pullout from Russia following the Russo-Ukrainian war should be amended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidThielen (talk • contribs) 21:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

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Split criticism into a separate article Criticism of McDonald's
I think the criticism section is now overly long and should be split into its own article, with only a summary remaining here. I note that this article existed as stand-alone in the past but was merged here, with very little discussion, over 10 years ago. Ping User:Nug, User:My very best wishes who participated in that old discussion (fancy running into you here...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The article itself is also very long and I think the amount of criticism here makes sense. It may be a lot for another page, but considered proportionally to the rest of the page, it is not undue weight. That said, the criticism is notable enough that it also deserves its own article. Likeanechointheforest (talk) Likeanechointheforest (talk) 20:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah it is very long to scroll through on mobile Jeweldation (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The split should be done per SIZE concerns raised by the OP. -- M h hossein   talk 12:47, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Note: I have now executed the split. BD2412 T 01:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Discrepancy in number of employees
The article summary says McDonald's has 1.7 million employees, while the side bar says 200,000. The former number includes the employees of franchisees, while the latter is just corporate employees. Most other articles about franchisor companies include franchisee employees, but that isn't universal. 2601:601:D00:2390:DB7:E9CF:C9B:E7DB (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2022
98.10.180.70 (talk) 01:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC) One Man in 2018 found maggots in his hamburger ❌ It is unclear what change you are requesting. PohranicniStraze (talk) 02:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2022
Coen20122022 (talk) 18:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC) add macsots
 * They're covered in McDonaldland. —C.Fred (talk) 18:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: NAS 348 Global Climate Change
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Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2022
I created a section based upon their climate change efforts, which is lacking in the article as it stands.

Economic Efforts

McDonald’s Corporation has joined the United Nation’s Race to Zero campaign, which strives for zero emissions by 2050, and also takes part in SBTi (Science Based Target initiatives)’s Business Ambition for 1.5°C campaign. McDonald’s Corporation is a large player in both the fast-food restaurant industry and the global business industry, whose many first-tier supplying industries including dairy, wheat, meat, etc., are at-risk to climate change and global warming. In America, the USDA (U.S. Department of Agriculture) and EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) impose strict laws federally surrounding environmental impacts that McDonald’s must follow, or face shut down. By these laws amongst others in the U.S., McDonald’s Corporation is obligated to maintain certain emissions standards and is actively lowering their contributions to the global issue of climate change through more eco-friendly materials and practices.

McDonald's eco-friendly practices are far reaching. First, McDonald's Corporation recycles their used cooking oil, utilizing it to fuel more than half of their delivery trucks. Next, they're reducing emissions in their supply chain of beef, since they're one of the top beef buyers in the world and beef supply emissions are in the top three highest carbon outputs in their entire supply chain. Then, physically making each restaurant more sustainable, using solar power and reducing water waste, as well as cutting down drive-thru idle times, since cars in idle produce a lot of carbon. Finally, McDonald's Corporation is working on the eco-friendliness of their packaging, pledging to have 100% of their packaging composed of recycled, renewed, or certified materials and to place recycling bins in their restaurants by 2025.

Bibliography

-Dixon, Lucy (2021-10-06). "McDonald's joins Race to Zero campaign". elemental. Retrieved 2022-11-04. This is an established news source that focuses on technological advancements in heat, water, air, and energy.

-"Fast Food Restaurants in the US". my.ibisworld.com. Retrieved 2022-11-12 This is a page on IBIS World, a reliable database for industry studies.

-SVadmin (2021-04-21). "What happens to McDonald's used cooking oil?". I'm cooking. Retrieved 2022-11-12 This is an encyclopedia of cooking technologies.

-"If McDonald's is serious about reducing its carbon footprint, it may need to rethink the hamburger". The Counter. 2018-05-10. Retrieved 2022-11-12. This is an established news source that focuses on the food industries in America.

-French, Amy (2018-03-05). "Are McDonald's REALLY Becoming More Sustainable?". GoodLife Amy French. Retrieved 2022-11-12. This is a resource for sustainable practices and information, as well as collaborative discussion.

-Geier, Ben (2018-01-16). "McDonald's packaging is going green by 2025". CNNMoney. Retrieved 2022-11-12 This is an established news source (CNN). Goldenen01 (talk) 14:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: This proposed addition is written like an advertisement. It also sounds a lot like an opinion piece or essay, which is not appropriate. It includes introductory material (such as "McDonald's Corporation is a large player [...]") that seems unnecessary for the proposed additional section. Please ensure that edits you make or request are your original writing and not pasted from other sources. Content that is found to be in violation of copyright policies is deleted quickly. Ideally, proposed additions should be written for Wikipedia; other texts, even if you have written them yourself, do not usually meet the Style Guidelines. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It has no opinions at all in actuality, so I'm not following your critique that it's an opinion piece. Also, you're welcome to check out the sources and see that I haven't copied and pasted any of the content, thanks for the compliment. If you could give actual examples of what you're talking about, I could work with you--as it stands right now, I think your understanding of the addition is misconstrued. Goldenen01 (talk) 18:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Goldenen01 - I did not say it was an opinion piece, I said it was written like one, which refers to style. Please refer to WP:NPOV and WP:MOS for precise guidelines on how to write content for Wikipedia. Some examples that stand out as being stylistically questionable: "McDonald's is a large player in [...] the global business industry" - what does that even mean? "impose strict laws federally" - strict according to whom? "face shut down" - all firms must comply with applicable laws, this is a dramatized version of "laws must be followed". "actively lowering their contributions to the global issue of climate change" - grammatically unclear and awkward. "first", "next", "finally" - these are stylistic additions that are rarely appropriate for an encyclopedia, because they convey argumentativeness. The entire last sentence - Wikipedia heavily favours a reductive and objective writing style, for example: "McDonald's has pledged to use only recycled, renewed, or certified materials for packaging." It is unclear what "certified" means here. Please be aware that these examples are not isolated issues to fix; they are examples of a general stylistic mismatch between your writing and encyclopedic content on Wikipedia.
 * I'm glad that you did not copy and paste content from elsewhere. Nonetheless, the requested edit does not match style requirements, and the introduction to McDonald's remains unnecessary. I wonder why you included it - could you clarify?
 * Additionally, please be aware that edit requests should only be made or re-opened for suggestions you consider, in good faith, to be uncontroversial in accordance with WP:EDITXY. To ensure that I get back to you in a timely manner, please ping me if you need anything further from me :) Actualcpscm (talk) 16:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2022
On the logo presentation, it's stated "golden arches logo used since 2006" however Canada uses a different logo with a maple leaf on the center. Would it be possible to add a clarification among the lines of "exempted for Canada" ShortenedWire (talk) 04:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)




 * This is the international corporate logo. This article is about the international corporation. Lard Almighty (talk) 06:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2022
I want to add some information 我的兄弟姐妹太多了他們都很煩人 (talk) 21:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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"Makudo" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Makudo and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 16:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

COVID 19 Pandemic section
The article mentions that McDonalds closed "most" indoor dining areas during the pandemic. While this is true it fails to mention other ways of eating out. I know at the McDonalds in the locale that I live in, management set out tables and allowed outdoor dining when it was allowed in California and some franchises chose to "modernize" their indoor environments until the restrictions were lifted. JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 09:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Exiting Russian market after its invasion of Ukraine
After more than 30 years of operations in the country, McDonald’s Corporation announced it will exit the Russian market and has initiated a process to sell its Russian business. This follows McDonald’s announcement on March 8, 2022, that it had temporarily closed restaurants in Russia and paused operations in the market.

The humanitarian crisis caused by the war caused by Russia, and the precipitating unpredictable operating environment, have led McDonald’s to conclude that continued ownership of the business in Russia is no longer tenable, nor is it consistent with McDonald’s values. While McDonald's restaurants in Ukraine were closed (24 February - 2 November) the Company continues to pay full salaries for its employees in the country and continues to support local relief efforts led by Ronald McDonald House Charities. Across Europe, the McDonald’s System is supporting Ukrainian refugees through food donations, housing and employment. On 22 of September Mcdonlads reopened three restaurants in Kyiv, over the next two months did a wider reopening in other Ukrainian cities. Now Mcdonalds in Ukraine is working successfully. "The return of a major American company is, first and foremost, a signal to international businesses that they can operate in Ukraine, even despite the conditions of war. These are jobs and taxes for the Ukrainian budget, the survival of our economy in times of Russian aggression", - said Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba.

As a result of its exit from Russia, the Company expects to record a charge, which is primarily non-cash, of approximately $1.2-1.4 billion to write off its net investment in the market and recognize significant foreign currency translation losses previously recorded in shareholders’ equity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nastiakunychak (talk • contribs) 13:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2023
111.125.106.142 (talk) 11:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC) It Has Come To My Conclusion That This Mcdonalds Profile Is Outdated and I Wish To Update it By Editing
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Pinchme123 (talk) 14:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Chris Kempczinski requests
Hello, editors! On behalf of McDonald's, I've submitted a few requests to update the page for president and CEO Chris Kempczinski. In addition to a suggested addition about his current tenure, I've proposed adding mention of his Economic Club of Chicago speech and adding additional text about his tenure as president of McDonald's USA. Are any editors who keep an eye on the McDonald's article able to take a look at the requests? Thanks for any assistance. MattMcDonalds (talk) 20:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Quick follow-up here to say these requests have been answered. Thank you! MattMcDonalds (talk) 00:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2023
The text quoted below is inaccurate and needs to be removed, it makes it should like the corporate offices were announced to be closing when in reality, seeing the sources provided, the offices closed for three days to facilitate the restructuring.

"In April 2023, The Wall Street Journal reported that McDonald's would be closing its field offices as part of a cost-savings move that also included layoffs and reductions in benefits and compensation packages." Csparta (talk) 11:25, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 12:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2023
"McDonald's is the world's second-largest private employer with 1.7 million employees" Change to, "McDonald's is the world's second-largest private employer with 1.7 million employees, 90% of those employees work for privately owned franchises, McDonald's corp has about 150,000 employees" BarrieM (talk) 14:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 01:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ The existing citation ("The World's Largest Employers". WorldAtlas. February 15, 2018. Retrieved March 29, 2019) provides this information, so I made the change prior to looking at Talk, since it didn't seem controversial.  If you feel that the source is not sufficient, please feel free to revert.   Personally, I think that the number in the lede should ONLY include the employees of McDonald's CORPORATION, but people think of the folks working in their local McDonald's as working FOR McDonald's so I don't know the best way to handle it except to add the "majority works for franchisees" phrase. Thanks  • Bobsd •  (talk)
 * Hm, I think I checked the source when I reviewed this, but I probably declined this because those specific numbers (90%, 150,000) weren't sourced. Probably should have clarified that. Thanks though, and agreed that it is unclear/misleading without the phrase about the number of employees working for franchises. PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 17:49, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Saweetie Meal
Hi, can someone add that McDonald's had endorsed Saweetie and it had created with her a Saweetie Meal? Thank you in advance ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.233.248.166 (talk) 16:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Legal Cases: United Kingdom
This is the WP Revision as of 10:30, 18 July 2023 (which I changed)


 * This would later be followed by further allegations that would come out in 2023, when more women would described the same thing, but also with racial overtones, as in one instance a black woman was referred by a white male colleage by a racial slure, before asking her if she wanted to look at his penis, because he wanted to make a "black and white baby" with her. [247]

This is the cited BBC article:


 * A 17-year-old current employee in Cheshire who says a colleague 20 years older than her called her a racial slur word and asked to show her his penis, and said he wanted to make a "black and white" baby with her.

Nowhere does the BBC article say that the 17-year-old employee was black. Even if that is a 'reasonable' assumption, it is not stated. The only hint we have is that the man called her a racial slur. However, it could have been a 37-year-old black man calling the 17-year-old white woman a "cracker", for all we know.

We have to be careful to not add our own interpretation to the cited articles, and state them as facts. If that information is available elsewhere, then that source needs to be identified.

This is what I changed the WP article to:


 * In 2023, the BBC conducted an investigation, and reported that more than 100 current and recent UK workers at outlets of the fast-food chain allege there is a continuing toxic culture of sexual assault, harassment, racism and bullying. [247]

• Bobsd • (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2023
The beginning date of Macdonald's has a slight mistake. In the history section, the founding date written is year 1398, but it should be 1938. Thank you Pawan Tanay Rathore (talk) 07:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The "1398" in the history section is referring to the street address, not the year. Thanks for keeping an eye out though. Welcome to Wikipedia!

More on 1-in-8 claim
The company is capitalizing on the claim that one in eight Americans have worked there in the past. Press release from October 11, 2023 This is a promotion so I assume that it's not permissible in the article, though there are secondary sources noting it. Mapsax (talk) 01:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Recent controversy on Israel-Palestine issue.
Is there anyone who can incorporate the recent controversy surrounding McDonald's in the critisism section, about giwing away free foods to the Israeli forces amidst unprecedented blockade on food, water, and supplies in Gaza? This situation has led to protests outside McDonald's outlets in Lebanon, with many also advocating for a boycott.

Many in Egypt also are protesting for boycott 182.183.0.254 (talk) 22:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Is this really significant enough to include in this article? This hardly seems notable. 2601:246:4400:300:DC61:78D1:4641:C5C6 (talk) 09:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * this is already noted on the Criticism of McDonald's page Catboy69 (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Although this has occurred and deserves to be included in Wikipedia, it's inappropriate to include it in the lead paragraph per WP:UNDUE. This is a minor controversy that is not particularly relevant to the history or status of an 80-year-old corporation. SashimiJones (talk) 17:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * My only problem is that it says "accused". It's entirely correct that Israel are committing war crimes. AlenaEK (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Relevance of McDonald's Employee Relations in the United States in 2024
Hello everyone, I planned to remove outdated material from the article to ensure its relevance to the current landscape in 2024. However, I want to ensure that these deletions align with the community's standards. Let's discuss whether these changes are appropriate and seek consensus on how to best maintain the article's accuracy and relevance. د بڠساون (talk) 23:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)