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edits
Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park is located in McGarry Township, as is McGarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve, shared with McFadden Township.( anyone, please add citation,? The source is ontario.ca and ontarioparks.com it is beyond my skill level. Tks.) Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you wish to edit Wikipedia you are going to have to learn to add references. On your talk page I had already pointed you to the help page on referencing, and told you that "ontario.ca" is not a useful citation. There are probably 10s of thousands pages there. Which one are you suggesting we use as a source? Meters (talk) 02:02, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , put in the effort by reviewing the help page on referencing. It will become second nature very quickly. Hwy43 (talk) 02:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

https://www.ontarioparks.com/cr/mcgarrytownshipforestconservationreserve  tks.

I do not learn fast. Tks for pointers. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)I put in my citations and they get deleted.

indigenous
Why are the ppl insisting on deleting info regarding the provincial parks? I providded citations1. Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You may need to read wp:rs. As well as wp:crystal. Also, some of this looked like unsourced editorializing.Slatersteven (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanx. Too complicated pour moi. Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:21, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

The link to the government of Canada is a valid source. Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What link to the government of Canada? If you are referring to your "ontario.ca" link, that is the government of Ontario, not Canada, and is not a useful citation. Again, there are probably 10s of thousands pages there. Which one are you suggesting we use as a source? Meters (talk) 09:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park is located in McGarry Township, as is McGarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve, shared with McFadden Township.( anyone, please add citation,? The source is ontario.ca and ontarioparks.com it is beyond my skill level. Tks.)[citation needed] Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

https://www.ontarioparks.com/cr/mcgarrytownshipforestconservationreserve tks.

I do not learn fast. Tks for pointers. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC) copied from another thread by Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a valid source for the existence of the Forest Conservation Reserve, but you wrote "The link to the government of Canada is a valid source." Well, it's not a Canadian Government source as you claimed, and it says nothing about Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park. Meters (talk) 22:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Ontario is part of the Government of Canada. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * True, but (say) Quebec is not part of Ontario. Really this is getting to be wp:disruptive now. We can't and should not have to explain every point to you. At some point you have to be able to figure it out for yourself or you become a time sink, who just takes up our time for no benefit.Slatersteven (talk) 14:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Ontario is a part of Canada, but that does not mean that an ontarioparks.com link is a Government of Canada source. If this disruption is intentional this is WP:TROLLING and if it's not intentional then this is becoming WP:CIR. Meters (talk) 20:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Did my best. No such word as try. Tried, not tired.Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC) today

redundant
Is it not redundant to say (copy n pasted) "Larder Lake is an incorporated municipal township[1] and eponymous constituent dispersed rural community[4] in Timiskaming District in Northeastern Ontario, Canada. It is located along Ontario Highway 66 and Ontario Highway 624 at the north-western part of the lake bearing the same name.[5][6][7] The area of the township is 229.65 km2 (88.67 sq mi)[8] and includes the geographic townships of Hearst, McVittie and Skead." LARDER LAKE TOWNSHIP IS EPONYMOUSSLY NAMED. AFTER A LAKE? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't say that in this article. You should ask that question where ever you copied that from. Meters (talk) 09:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Tks. I found it in the related links suggestions at the bottom of the article. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:43, 8 January 2022 (UTC) Oooops. I mean related articles suggested at the bottom of the McGarry article.

ooops
Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)Made revision without talk prior.Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't have to have permission to make an edit, but continuing to make disruptive edits is a problem. His name may have been "McKay". It may have been "MacKay". Either way, your change to "MKay" is not helpful. Please be more careful. There's no way to tell from the page history whether the correct spelling is "McKay" or "MacKay" since both spellings were used in the original edit that added the material in 2018 . The editor who added it was user:NorthernBorn, a WP:SPA editor who was active for all of one day, on this page alone, and his history section was improperly sourced and reads as if it was copied from elsewhere. If it was copied it was likely from https://www.mcgarry.ca/tourism-in-mcgarry-area/about-us That link was used to reference the starting "In 1906", and is now dead so we can't tell if it actually sourced the entire section. We also can't tell if the site allowed people to reuse material, but given that their current site is copyrighted, I doubt it.
 * So, we have a large WP:SPA addition of an unsourced section of suspicious copyright status. I have attempted to verify the information without success. I will be removing it if no-one can find sources for it. Meters (talk) 08:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Even worse, their current home page https://www.mcgarry.ca/en/index.aspx also says: "FAIR USE NOTICE: This site may contain copyrighted material that has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of criminal justice, political, human rights, economic, democracy and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a fair use of any such copyrighted material as provided within the Copyright Act of Canada." Meters (talk) 09:08, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

The changes you make are not helpful. Your advice to look things up is overwhelming. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * My changes are not useful? Come off it. You attempted to fix an inconsistency in the spelling of someone's name ("MacKay" vs "McKay"), and then undid yourself but actually introduced the obvious error "MKay". I simply restored it to the original spelling and then attempted to analyze the inconsistency to see if I could determine which spelling was correct. And nowhere in this thread did I tell you to look something up. I simply asked you to be more careful.
 * If you find my suggestions in other threads that you look things up is overwhelming, then you should probably not be adding material to Wikipedia. It is the responsibility of anyone adding material to Wikipedia to ensure that that the material is correct, neutral, and properly sourced. Dropping vague comments on talk pages and expecting (or worse yet, demanding) that other editors do the research, find the sources, and writeup the changes for you is not appropriate. That's the point I was trying to make without having to come right out and say so to your face.
 * I've spent more than enough time on this article already. I'm really not inclined to do your work for you. Meters (talk) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I did a quick search and "MacKay" seemed to be correct. But as I said it was only a quick search. So what do RS use?Slatersteven (talk) 11:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As I said, I've already unsuccessfully attempted to verify the history added by NorthernBorn. I've tagged the section, but if no-one can find reliable sources for the history eventually I will simply remove it. I also suspect that it was copied form a source which did not allow reuse. Meters (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Remove it as unsourced.Slatersteven (talk) 09:57, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ill give it a week or so for anyone else to respond to the tag, and and I'll try again myself before I nuke it. Meters (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Left it more than a month, and tried again to verify this info. Removed. Meters (talk) 04:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I forgot.Slatersteven (talk) 11:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. I wasn't waiting for you to take any action, I just gave it some extra time since it was such a big deletion. Meters (talk) 04:14, 21 February 2022 (UTC).
 * Listen here mister metric system base unit. When I edited this page, it was sparse and filled with nothing. I lived there for 20 years. I sourced my information from the McGarry township government webpage - it was all re-written and not C&P'd. If you want me to become more than WP:SPA, let me know where you want me to utilize my talent. NorthernBorn (talk) 22:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You have not edited the article in five years, you inserted your post in the middle of an 18-month-old thread, and I've never interacted with you. Why are you calling me out? Have you edited this article under another username? Meters (talk) 00:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, and most of your 2018 edits edits were not properly sourced. Meters (talk) 00:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see that this thread was discussing the material that you added in 2018. It was self-contradictory, it was unsourced when I removed it, and it was discussed here for more than a month before it was removed. Meters (talk) 09:19, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Kearns
Who was the ville of VTown named after? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

What was J. T Kearns first name? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

John? Joseph? Justin? Jason? Jeremiah? JESUS? Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Why don't you do some research and then add it to the article, with your sources? Meters (talk) 09:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read wp:forum. This talk page is for discussing improvements.Slatersteven (talk) 13:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

proper place name
Anyone wanna add the proper, commonly used, French Canadian name to Castle in the Sky? Castle in the Sky is not correct, nor is Cheminis Mountain. Is is named Mont Chaudron. Knowledge1253 (talk) 05:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what "Castle in the Sky" refers to, but from what I can find both "Cheminis Mountain" and "Mont Chaudron" are used to refer to the same feature on the Ontario/Quebec border. But again, you seem to have the wrong talk page. We don't mention either "Castle in the Sky" or "Cheminis Mountain" in this article. Meters (talk) 09:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Mount Cheminis" is. But we need an RS for any other name. What is its official name?Slatersteven (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I must have searched for "Cheminis Mountain" as that was what Knowledge1253 listed. From what I can see Ontario calls it Mount Cheminis and Quebec calls it Mont Chaudron. This is an article about an Ontario location, but the hill is actually in Quebec. Both Chaudron and Cheminis are official names. The Quebec-Commission de Toponymie has listed the hill in the Canadian Geographical Names Database as "Mont Chaudron" and as "Collines Cheminis" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meters (talk • contribs) 20:42, January 8, 2022 (UTC)
 * THen we need to do the same, and call it both.Slatersteven (talk) 10:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Castle in the Sky refers to the monadnock feature in Quebec, referred to in the article as Cheminis Mountain. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, we don't use that name in this article. Why even mention "Castle in the Sky"? It's pointless and confusing. Meters (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that wp:talk pages are for discussing ONLY the article they are the talk page for. Trying to discuss other articles not only confuses the matter but cannot be used to build consensus on that other article (as the people who edit there may not edit here). If you want to change that the other article says, you must raise it there.Slatersteven (talk) 11:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Because Castle in the Sky is why is called Cheminis. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is irrelevant, we do not call it this, we do not mention this. It is nothing to do with this article, stop this now it is wp:disruptive. That was your last warning.Slatersteven (talk) 20:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

movie
Will the editors provide a link to The Giant Mine movie, produced by CBC Television, partially filmed in Virginiatown? Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have that link. Apparently you do. Why don't you add it yourself, or post it here for others to check if you are not sure if it is appropriate. Meters (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Mine Tks. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That is a Wikipedia article about the mine. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and that is not a source for the existence of the movie. If there is a reliable source in that article about the move and you think it would be useful in this article then feel free to add it yourself. Meters (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I know how to add it here, this far. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Mine_(film) Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:49, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, so now you are pointing to a different article, about a made for TV movie about the bombing of the Giant Mine, rather than one about the mine.. The mine is in the NWT. You claim the movie was filmed in Virginiatown, Ontario but you have given us no source to verify that, and the article about the movie does not even mention that fact, let alone provide a reliable source. The only mention I can find for the filming location is Kirkland Lake, not Virginiatown.
 * Even if this were sourced. I suspect it would be better off in the article about the movie, rather than as trivia in the article about the locale. Meters (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You need to read wp:v.Slatersteven (talk) 10:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

yes master.
I demand you restore the paragraph on their land claim, with cited source from ontario.ca. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Beaverhouse First Nation Community (Treaty 9)

Location: Northeast of Kirkland Lake Claim type: Reserve Land

Beaverhouse First Nation Community submitted a claim to Ontario on July 5, 2018, asserting the community is a distinct First Nation and did not sign Treaty 9, or any other treaty. On April 18, 2019, Ontario advised Beaverhouse First Nation Community that it will complete an assessment of the claim submission within three years. [1][2]

Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:24, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

You should request this edit on the article's Talk Page, not here. However, I recommend apologizing to the other editors for your behavior and being polite in your requests. That's the best way to move forward. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

"110 years later, Beaverhouse First Nation still has no land chief tells minister". TimminsToday.com. Retrieved 2022-01-06. "Current land claims". ontario.ca. Retrieved 2022-01-06. Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)


 * behaviour. Knowledge1253 (talk) 06:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "Yes master"? We're all volunteers. That attitude is not likely to convince people to help you. You have already been told more than one that references such as "ontario.ca" are not useful, and pointed to the help page on referencing. Either do it yourself properly, or provide us with the full reference. Meters (talk) 08:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Then lets wait for three years, and if it is found valid we can mention it. Right now this is just a claim, one that has not been accepted as valid yet (as far as I can find out not by the Wabun Tribal Council either).Slatersteven (talk) 13:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I have posted the link to Mcgarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve more than once in response to you, Meters. I do not want to be redundant. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

And yet again, another one asked for and deleted https://www.ontario.ca/page/current-land-claims Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. Still learning.Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, the prolbom is, this is only a claim. THus may fail wp:undue. When it is found valid lets include it.Slatersteven (talk) 10:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The land claim is separate from the provincial parks. I propose The provincial parks, Mcgarry Township Forest Forest Conservation Reserve  and  Gem  Lake Maple Bedrock Park become  Indigenous Protected and Conserved Area, an IPCA. https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/nature-legacy/indigenous-leadership-funding.html Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not see where Mcgarry or Maple even occur as words in this source.Slatersteven (talk) 13:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

This source is to explain what an IPCA is. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So what does this have to do with this article?Slatersteven (talk) 14:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Tourism. Knowledge1253 (talk) 15:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * BUt if these parks are not mentioned we cannot use it for information about them. You need a source saying that they are IPCA's.Slatersteven (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

They aren't, yet. IPCA's are very new. They are provincial parks right now. Knowledge1253 (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * And until they are we can't say hey are.Slatersteven (talk) 18:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

we can mention them, just not IPCA. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We can say they exist yes, not ther status.Slatersteven (talk) 19:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The parks can be mentioned in tourism. They are provincial parks in the Township. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

McGarry Township Forest
https://www.ontario.ca/page/mcgarry-township-forest-conservation-reserve-management-statement    this is the website to use as citation. Or this one https://www.ontarioparks.com/cr/mcgarrytownshipforestconservationreserve Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What for? You need to say what you want to use it for.Slatersteven (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

In the tourism sub heading Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:40, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I know you want to use it, what do you think it supports?Slatersteven (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Tourism attractions. the fish derby is mentioned. Why not the provincial park? Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The first source can be used to say that The McGarry Township Forest Conservation Reserve (which I am unsure we even mention) is used for fishing, hunting and trapping for permit holders. But not for Lander Lake which is "which are in close proximity to the conservation reserve" (or in other words not part of it. Your other source does not mention tourism.Slatersteven (talk) 14:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So again we go back to read wp:v and read the sources you want to use as well.Slatersteven (talk) 14:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The parks need to be mentioned, and the website is a proper source. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We do mention them, the CN tag is for activities (I assume).Slatersteven (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Knowledge1253 (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Gem Lake
https://www.ontarioparks.com/park/gemlakemaplebedrock  citation needed for tourism McGarry. Knowledge1253 (talk) 11:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No one is saying it does not exist. What do you think this supports?Slatersteven (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion into the tourism section. Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I know you want to use it, what do you think it supports?Slatersteven (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

It said citation needed. Knowledge1253 (talk) 13:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the cite must support it, so it must be about tourism. We can't keep explaining to you every time about wp:v and why your latest source does not say what you are citing it for, at some point wp:coi comes into play.Slatersteven (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Neither of the two things you mentioned above come into play. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What? does your source mention anything about tourism, if so can you quote it as I failed to find it?Slatersteven (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

https://www.ontario.ca/page/gem-lake-maple-bedrock-provincial-park-management-statement  tourism and recreation in here. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Sport fishing is permitted within Gem Lake Maple Bedrock Provincial Park. Any sport fishing activity is governed by the legislation and regulations in the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act (1997), as well as the federal Fisheries Act (1985). The Recreational Fishing Regulations Summary (Northeastern, Division 19) contains more information regarding general regulations and exceptions to these regulations for the area of this park ( Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That is better.Slatersteven (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Learning. Knowledge1253 (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

reference 20
Is a dead link. Knowledge1253 (talk) 14:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Several small businesses are operated out of McGarry. Knowledge1253 (talk) 15:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I just removed that mention. I couldn't find a source for it anywhere and is not an encyclopedic mention, in my view. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Knowledge1253 (talk) 18:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

sacred stones
Source mentions the narrows. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Do they say the stones were sacred?Slatersteven (talk) 20:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Significance. Knowledge1253 (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Do the sources say they are sacred, yes or no?Slatersteven (talk) 21:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

No Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

The alignments tell us they are. And cycles. Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)how do you put a source with oral history?Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

YES! The article said they are sacred. Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)Sources mention they are sacred Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sacred like how? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

reference 9
Is a dead link Knowledge1253 (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

It days page not found Knowledge1253 (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Pearl Beach
Why can the sacred stones not be mentioned? They are in the newspaper article. 66.103.52.68 (talk) 00:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Why *CAN'T * Pearl Beach Sacred Stones be mentioned? The narrows are there. 66.103.52.68 (talk) 00:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As we have already pointed out, the sources are not reliable to show that the rocks are sacred, and the sources say nothing about the founding of the town. People blogging about one guy's opinion is not something we can use.
 * If you are the same editor who originally tried to add this, you are blocked and are not allowed to edit using any IP or account. Meters (talk) 00:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

3rs, oops, sacred, doubling up
I am focussed on the truth. 66.103.52.68 (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have any suggested edits?Slatersteven (talk) 17:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocked IP as WP:DUCK block evasion  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Knowledge1253 is evading block as again. Contributing to previous Knowledge1253 talk page thread, and an edit   to Larder Lake, an article associated with this one. Meters (talk) 06:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! Let me know if it continues.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I am not making edits
I am asking questions. 161.216.164.21 (talk) 13:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * See wp:talk and wp:forum.Slatersteven (talk) 13:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 161.216.164.21, this talk page post is your only edit. If you have previously used a named account or different IP then we don't know who you are. You'll have to tell us. If you are Knowledge1253 / 66.103.52.68  then you are not allowed to edit at all. It does not matter if you are just asking questions on article talk pages. You are not allowed to make any edits other than an unblock request on your user page. Meters (talk) 20:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

ooops
When is that section going to be nuked? 161.216.164.17 (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

not your post
Did you verify whose post it was that I deleted? 161.216.164.207 (talk) 01:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? You are using an IP so we don't know who you are or what edits you mean. The talk page thread was added by 161.216.164.17, as the signature clearly shows. It was removed by 66.103.52.68
 * If you mean the article content, it was added by 184.151.37.162 . You stated: "Deleted sentence I added" when you removed that material  so you were using that IP then. I notice that 184.151.37.162 made that edit only seven minutes before the now-blocked WP:SPA user:Knowledge1253 was created and started editing this article. It appears that you are once again evading your block. You are not allowed to edit any article or talk page (other than your own to request an unblock) using any IP or named account. Meters (talk) 01:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you
Thank you for fulfilling your promise to nuke that section, meters. 66.103.52.68 (talk) 04:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

why
Are ppl insisting on deleting content and not adding any? Why do they refuse to acknowledge the Big Narrows and sacred stones at Pearl Beach? 70.55.21.211 (talk) 10:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Which edits are you discussing? You have made no edits to this article. Meters (talk) 20:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As for the supposed sacred stones, this has already been asked and answered. Meters (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Bank robbery
I removed this lengthy section about a bank robbery as improperly sourced trivia. It was a relatively minor incident 50 years ago, and the write up contains many details not mentioned in the only source, or even worse, contradicted by the source. It has been restored verbatim, so I'm removing it again. Meters (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object to a short (one or two line), properly sourced mention, but this breathless, improperly sourced piece isn't appropriate. I'll restore a short version. Meters (talk) 23:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Small village
Added a sentence to describe the village. Period. 66.103.52.68 (talk) 09:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So? You did add a description (not a sentence), and it was undone by user:Pyrrho the Skipper, who asked you to discuss it on the talk page. That means justify your edit, not simply tell us you made it.
 * I agree with Pyrrho the Skipper's undo. Your change of "McGarry is an incorporated township ..." to McGarry is a little village an incorporated township ..." is subjective, not grammatical, and incorrect. It's a township, not a village (little or otherwise).
 * Furthermore, as has been explained to you more than once, you are indefinitely blocked as user:Knowledge1253 and are not allowed to edit using any IP or named account. You have already been blocked on this IP twice for block evasion. Meters (talk) 19:36, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think a page protection request is in order for this page to keep the disruptive and blocked IP-sock hopper at bay. can you block the IP like you did previously above and even apply a page protect? I am tired of seeing this page pop-up on my watchlist, and Meters has been beyond patient enduring this time sink. Hwy43 (talk) 20:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Alternative name
Hi, Meters, you reverted my edit that added in the alternative name of the town. Here's my justification of the edit:
 * 1) Kearns, Ontario redirects here. I think it's normal when there is a redirect to explain on the destination why
 * 2) If you go to Google Maps and search for Kearns, Ontario and then seek directions to McGarry, Ontario, you will see they bring up locations about 750m apart, they are the same location.
 * 3) If you go to the official township of McGarry website it speaks about how Virginiatown (also known as V-town) and Kearns are the names given to the mining communities within the township that have since died out. Of course a lot of this article is (correctly) about the mining history and Kearns doesn't have it's own article, it's a redirect here, as they are essentially the same place. Or perhaps we could consider that Kearns and Virginiatown are legacy names or subdivisions of McGarry.
 * 4) That anlysis is also supported here https://www.northeasternontario.com/partner/township-of-mcgarry/ where is explains that "McGarry is an incorporated township in Temiskaming District in Northeastern Ontario, Canada. The Township is two communities: Virginiatown and Kearns."

So I think my edit is correct. I didn't add a citation because I think the redirect is usually enough. But if you'd feel happier with that background added to the article, I'll add that in too. What do you think? CT55555 (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What you are doing with your change is saying that "Kearns" is an alternate name for the township. That does not appear to be correct. Kearns is part of the Township of McGarry. And we clearly say that in the second line of the lead. That is why Kearns, Ontario redirects to this article, as does Virginiatown, Ontario. We don't say that, for example, Wiarton, Ontario is an alternate name for South Bruce Peninsula simply because Wiarton is part of South Bruce, or that Toronto is an alternate name for Ontario because Toronto is a part of Ontario. Meters (talk) 18:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I see that now. Sorry, you are correct. CT55555 (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
If I am labelled a sockpuppet, who is the puppet master, may I ask of the marionettes? 2605:B100:D41:40A9:6336:DE15:29D1:4CBD (talk) 22:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This IP has made no edits to the article. No-one has called it a sock. If you have been called a sock on some other IP then please tell us which one (or ones). Meters (talk) 03:49, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see that when page protection was requested socking was mentioned without naming any specific IPs or accounts. Since you showed up here to ask about socking 20 minutes later (with the IP's first ever edit to Wikipedia) it's clear that you have indeed been using multiple IPs. Tell us which ones and we'll let you know if the socking accusations are meant for you. Meters (talk) 04:01, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Kearns little viilage. Suggested edit
Virginia town is a little village in the incorporated Township of McGarry which is compromised of three communities. 2605:B100:D41:40A9:6336:DE15:29D1:4CBD (talk) 22:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is already in the article. Meters (talk) 03:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Land Claim
And also angering me is deletion of the Land Claim by Beaverhouse. I have been scoffed at and told such a thing does not exist. Well, it does, and I would like to know the outcome of the decision!!!! 2605:B100:D41:40A9:6336:DE15:29D1:4CBD (talk) 22:40, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This IP has made no edits to the article. Meters (talk) 03:47, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Kerns / Vtown
Kerns and Vtown and North Vtown are all part of The Corporation of The Township of McGarry. I do not think Kearns is in McGarry Township, maybe Skead Township. They are all considered the same, serviced the same, although Kearns is treated like the red headed step kid. There are 3 communities. Vtown, North Vtown and Kearns. All form McGarry Township corporation. Amalgamated as the Township. 2605:B100:D41:40A9:6336:DE15:29D1:4CBD (talk) 22:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So? The fact that they are part of the township is already in the article. Meters (talk) 03:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Promotion
On Labour Day Weekend, various country artists go to the McGarry community centre to play music and dance.[22]

This is promoting Cheminis Lodge's Country Jamboree.

Larder Lake is popular among anglers, and has an annual fish derb

This is promotion of the Lion's Club fish derby.

2605:B100:D09:CFB6:1101:9CA:4B8C:F05A (talk) 14:39, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have rewritten that section for tone issues, but I think the inclusion of these examples is acceptable. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Ooops
Kearns, not Kerns. Kerns is located 45 minutes from V-Town. Damn fonts! 2605:B100:D0D:BBD2:24A:C93:7D4E:B29A (talk) 04:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Part of the Township
How are Cheminis Lodge and the Lion's Club part of the Township? One is a business which hosts and organizes the Country Jamboree people flock to, and the other is Community Oriented Organization. MsMisinformation (talk) 12:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Those aren't mentioned in the article, that I can see, so I'm not sure what you mean. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 15:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

The country jamboree and Lion's Club events are mentioned in the article under tourism. MsMisinformation (talk) 06:29, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Lion's Club, country jamboree
The article mentions those under tourism. The fish derby is hosted by the Lion's Club, country jamboree is annual event started and sponsored wayback before 2014 hosted by Cheminis Lodge.

Maybe the annual poker run is an event actually sponsored, hosted and run by McGarry Township, not one of their associated organizations.

2605:B100:D1F:DBF1:DC2:5760:B2B3:2073 (talk) 06:24, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Ooooooooops. MsMisinformation (talk) 06:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Host/Sponsor
Is there a difference? MsMisinformation (talk) 07:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Request for addition
The McGarryV-Town economy has traditionally been supported by the mining industry, and struggled when the mines were not producing. Cottage Industry by local residents is encouraged to decrease economical reliance on extraction of resources. The last sentence can be added. The reference is the 20 Year Official Plan. MsMisinformation (talk) 07:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You have to actually give us a reference. Simply telling us that it is in some document somewhere is not a reference.
 * user:Knowledge1253 had similar issues with referencing. Are you the same editor? Meters (talk) 07:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

It is in the Official 20 Year Plan. 🧚2605:B100:D24:9D19:E14C:D94B:D38B:403E (talk) 16:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And again, Simply telling us that it is in some document somewhere is not a reference. user:Knowledge1253 and MsMisinformation had similar issues with referencing. Are you the same editor? Meters (talk) 21:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's a link. It doesn't seem searchable, and it's 198 pages, my enthusiasm is low: https://www.mcgarry.ca/Official-Plan.pdf CT55555 (talk) 21:54, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I skimmed it but did not find anything that supports the requested addition. This is very similar to the faulty sourcing claims seen before and I suspect this is more synthesis/OR by the same user/s previously blocked. IP, what is the specific page number that you claim supports this request? And please answer my question about whether you are the same user as before. Meters (talk) 00:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Can't a ctrl f be done to find the sentence in the document? I am not socking, I am not deliberately being disruptive or malicious, I have good intent. I get punished for providing information and asking questions and I hate it. Signed 4 tildes 🧚2605:B100:D4C:51FE:6A06:BAC5:3BCB:D5CA (talk) 04:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, ctrl F does not work on this PDF document, as you would know if you had actually tried it. Again, please answer my specific question. Are you the same user who has previously been blocked? It does not matter if you are using a different IP or computer as before. The block applies to the user regardless of IP or computer. And you are not being "punished". Your behaviour and WP:CIR issues are disruptive, and are indistinguishable from those of a previously blocked editor. Meters (talk) 05:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Tension on this page
I just want to mention that I see the tension between editors happening here. I see MsMisinformation attempting to add information but doing it in a way that is not aligned with wikipedia norms. I see others defending the wikipedia standards. I want to point out to you all that you all seem to be acting in good faith, all trying to do the right thing. I think what might be being missed here is that while MsMisinformation's and similar edits from similar accounts are not always citing things well, they do appear to be good faith edits. I wonder if perhaps MsMisinformation could suggest edits on the talk page, and also commit to suggesting sources and I would volunteer to turn this into the edits? It seems like people are acting to block MsMisinformation from contributing, but these are good faith edits, about important topics, that are encyclopaedic and I for one am willing to put the time/support in to try and get historical information into this article. CT55555 (talk) 14:38, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry I am not as experienced at the subtle nuances and mean comments you all seem to be. Nor at editing. I have expressed repeatedly I am new to Wikilality, and there is a lot to learn. I am a superhuman, but not a super editor. MsMisinformation (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I am happy to try and support your efforts to get important information onto Wikipedia. I fear you will be blocked because of your words to others and also if you use more than one account. If I can humbly suggest you avoid using harsh language with others, it will increase the chances of us being able to improve wikipedia. I think we both know the systems are not very human and not very kind, but I think the bigger objective here is to get the important history documented and if we can collaborate to do that, I would be happy. CT55555 (talk) 15:29, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Mayor
A vote was held. The village residents elected a new Mayor. 2605:B100:34A:BC69:3E87:18EA:9862:D8E9 (talk) 11:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Why did the Skeptic delete the newly elected, by democratic vote, mayor's name? Easily verified. 2605:B100:34A:BC69:3E87:18EA:9862:D8E9 (talk) 12:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Then provide a reliable source. As User:Pyrrho the Skipper points out below, and as user:CT55555 has now sourced in the article, the township's website lists Matt Reimer as Mayor. Meters (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

What is McGarry Township?
Is it an inhabitant which spans across a few townships? Is it a corporate endeavor? Is it three cantons? 2605:B100:34A:BC69:3E87:18EA:9862:D8E9 (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it is one Township, as per: https://www.mcgarry.ca/en/index.aspx CT55555 (talk) 20:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Economy
Why do they keep deleting the sentence about decreasing economical reliance on the mines by promoting home based cottage industry? 2605:B100:D4C:9406:6485:F007:4388:2D3D (talk) 10:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * unsourced. OR Meters (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Clarity
Sorry. I understand I am not being "punished" on Wikipedia. I understand I have to write and explain what I did wrong that precipitated a block against me, apologize, and learn how to edit properly. I am still compiling my list of errors. I meant I get punished and given citations IRL. I will remember to stay off your talk page, @meters, I forgot you asked me to 2605:B100:D4C:51FE:6A06:BAC5:3BCB:D5CA (talk) 17:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh ya. Four tildes :). I am a mischievous spirit and sometimes forget.  Never forget to leave some milk! For the 🧚 folk!!! 2605:B100:D4C:51FE:6A06:BAC5:3BCB:D5CA (talk) 17:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

And I can't wait to fix my mistakes and accept mentorship from @CT5555!!!

2605:B100:D4C:51FE:6A06:BAC5:3BCB:D5CA (talk) 17:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * So you are the same user who is blocked. You are evading your block and are not allowed to edit using any IP or named account. You must ask for an unblock on your currently blocked account. And since you have been socking continuously and denying that you were socking I will likely oppose an unblock. Meters (talk) 19:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not evading it, figuring out how Wikipedia works. Mcgarryarsenic (talk) 13:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * "Yes" or "No"? Are you the same user who is currently blocked as user:MsMisinformation and user:Knowledge1253? Meters (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * User has admitted on their talk page to being a sock of the blocked user. Meters (talk) 23:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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