Talk:McKamey Manor

$20,000 prize money for completion
I think one thing that can be mentioned about this article was that recently, the creator offered a prize money of $20,000 if one can endure the house for about 10 hours straight. However, he mentioned that not everyone can participate as he stated that there is a background check done on every participant and that there is a very large waiting list for those approved.
 * Original news source: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/haunted-house-offers-20000-to-anyone-who-can-finish-it-but-does-it-take-fright-too-far-222523486.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.63.93.17 (talk) 02:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The article now contains details on this (including one journalist's claim that the prize is deliberately unobtainable). – AndyFielding (talk) 06:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Is "torture house" objective?
It says in the intro that it is a "torture house". Is that objective? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aven13 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course it's a torture chamber. People have been physically and verbally abused. People have come out of the experience with broken bones, they've had their teeth removed, they've been waterboarded and electrically shocked while being drowned. People have had heart attacks and almost died. So yes to answer your question yes it's a torture chamber. Ridebuilder5 (talk) 21:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but that's not the point. References such as WP must report facts; they can't state opinions.
 * If the Manor is ever officially determined to be a place of genuine torture, of course it'll be closed—torture (at least by private citizens!) is illegal. That's why the place is so controversial: Some people feel it should be closed, but it hasn't been. And that is what it's up to WP to describe. – AndyFielding (talk) 06:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m not an educated wiki historian like I assume most of your are but I pray you all understand how easy it is to get an Ariel view of the property which is all the necessary proof needed to atleast form my opinion that this is all a sham. I’m sure most of you have seen reckless bens video on it that further more proves it’s all borderline prolonged torture to get you to give up before making it to the actual manor which never existed. 2001:1970:4E1B:6D00:B039:CA:88E7:5867 (talk) 03:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

All recent history missing?
The original Manor no longer exists, McKamey apparently got in trouble with the law over his taxes, he's lost all his actors, there's claims of his $20,000 reward never getting paid out despite people finishing it, he's been accused of pedophilia by his ex-wife, etc. The information currently in this article is extremely outdated. Now, unfortunately there aren't many recent articles about this. Most of them are from last October, much of this has happened since November and can only be sourced through social media and YouTube which isn't allowed under Wikipedia's stance on original research. If anybody would be able to find recent sources, that'd be great. As it stands this article isn't very accurate anymore. 51.37.124.113 (talk) 06:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm adding a flag and may get to it myself. My name is pseudonym (talk) 02:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It isn't accurate, or it isn't current? Those are separate things. — AndyFielding (talk) 06:07, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Changing One of the Categories
One of the previous categories was "Tourist Attractions in Nashville, Tennessee." I have changed that because it is not in the city of Nashville, the county Nashville is in, or in a county adjacent to Nashville, and it's over an hour's drive from Nashville. I replaced it with the category for the county it's actually in, Lawrence County, Tennessee. At its removal, it was the only article that that had that category not actually in Nashville.

Note the McKamey Manor FAQ page that lists the house in Summertown, Tennessee. It does not warrant the "Tourist Attractions in Nashville, Tennessee" category tag.The Saxon (talk) 04:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

"Nonprofit"
Don't nonprofits have to have proper nonprofit status? Because I'm not sure McKamey Manor does.

Unless I'm mistaken, I'm going to consider taking the 'nonprofit' statement out of the article, as it seems like it would give false pretences, if McKamey Manor isn't registered as a nonprofit. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 17:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Went ahead and axed it. Its idiosyncratic admission price is already noted in the body, which I think is sufficient. --Xanzzibar (talk) 19:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - thank you! --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 14:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that referred to the fact that McKamey doesn't charge an admission fee, but accepts donations of dog food (before he turns people into dog food—LOL, couldn't resist). Would that qualify as "nonprofit", or must there be some official designation? – AndyFielding (talk) 06:09, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Removed safe word information
I found that the information about safe words being allowed was incorrect so I removed the information about safe words being allowed. McKamey Manor has never once allowed safe words. Ridebuilder5 (talk) 21:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * If you can confirm that with reliable sources that're better quality than the ones already cited, then please cite them. We can't just take it on your say-so. --Xanzzibar (talk) 05:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposed Changes to McKamey Manor Article
I'd like to suggest some updates to the McKamey Manor article. My main source is an investigation by Ben Schneider, who himself participated in the so-called "pre-tests" for the Manor. Schneider reports that the manor's advertised experiences, such as a 2-mile-long zip line or a maze filled with rats, do not actually exist. Other participants have echoed Schneider's findings, saying they never gained access to the Manor after completing the pre-tests.

In light of this, I propose we include this alternative viewpoint and describe the manor as "alleged" to provide a more balanced and thorough perspective on the subject until more concrete evidence for the manor's claims is presented.

Thanks, MrNowpinion MrNowpinion (talk) 21:19, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Reckless Ben is not a reliable source. Anything we claim about the subject, especially if it's allegations of misrepresentation, fraud, or anything else negative, have to come from such. --Xanzzibar (talk) 23:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * There is no concrete proof this "place" even exists to begin with or that they even operate anything over there. That article should be slated for deletion altogether. Xanzzibar has been hiding behind RS to revert edits warning people away from a scammer and torturer, that user is accessory to all the crimes happening over there. You are saying someone doing original research and presenting facts and his own point-of-view is not reliable yet fluff piece in journals paid for by Russ are a-okay. You are the only defender of these POS here, you are biased, if not paid-for. Checksum0 (talk) 01:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You're free to pursue normal deletion routes if you want, but you should probably review Wikipedia's verifiability, notablity, and assuming good faith before you do. Since you seem to be at least vaguely aware of how editing here works, you should also not have much trouble to see these Reckless Ben-based reversions have been done by a large number of people, not just me, by a cursory look at the article's history. It doesn't matter how much what you or I think Russ is, or what he's doing, we can only published what we can cite to reliable/verifiable sources as defined by Wikipedia policy. --Xanzzibar (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What about the media coverage section? Would it be appropriate to add information about Ben's videos and link via a reference? Even if it's just a sentence that he covered it in his series. I feel it's relevant enough to at least mention alongside the Hulu and Netflix show. Bigboisixty9 (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * What? It certainly DOES exist (or did, if it's been closed without my knowledge). It's been shown and described in various publications, TV features and documentary films; see the article for details. – AndyFielding (talk) 06:14, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, it actually did exist a few years ago. That is, before all his employees left him. Now he just tortures candidates until they give up or until they make an excuse to abort the session. It’s a fraud. 2A02:AA1:1029:EF42:9D48:2DE:7826:AA6 (talk) 14:36, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Russ doesn't even like dogs! His ex was the one who loved them. This site on the "Manor" needs to, at least, have a history part. Once more "creditable sources" come out,to copy paste everything Reckless Ben, many other YouTubers and even a Hulu doc has said about Russ and the manor, this site will completely change. Change for the better. Show how sadistic and psychotic Russ is. DPSFSU (talk) 14:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't need to be RS
the clearly easily confirmed fact that Reckless Ben has done an exposé doesn't require that you find Reckless Ben to be a reliable source. He made the exposé and taking that information down seems indefensible. Cath reen (talk) 04:57, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Lots of people have written about and made videos on everything Russ is up to. But we can't use them as a source of information unless they're a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia policy, especially if it's something negative. The article as it stands has a quote from a journalist that comes to similar conclusions as Ben (i.e., the prize money and much of the production isn't real), and we can cite that because it's in a paper that meets Wikipedia's reliable sources policy.
 * Similarly, not everything that talks about something meets notability guidelines; they require confirmation that they're notable by citation to third-party reliable sources. For example, if reliable news sources pick up the story about Ben's coverage of McKamey (or about McKamey questionable responses Ben's videos, for that matter), we can cite that. --Xanzzibar (talk) 05:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Allegations of Fraud
This article needs to address the allegations of fraud and claims that the manor, as described by the owner, does not exist. Without including this information, Wikipedia is an incredibly biased and unreliable source on this topic. Frankly it is an embarrassment to Wikipedia not to include some reference to these claims. 2600:1015:A010:6233:C21:E399:1EF6:54D2 (talk) 09:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't understand—you mean claims that the Manor is imaginary? It's been well documented in published articles, TV features, and documentary films (the article includes references to some of them). It's notoriously well known throughout the "haunt" community. No matter what you may think of it, it is real. – AndyFielding (talk) 07:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Russ is a fraud and a fake, the manor used to be real. It's a sad skeleton of what it used to be when there was passion. Russ will be going to jail. Stop pretending he is the best out there. Russ is sick and has a twisted fetish. Watch Reckless Ben on YouTube to see what the manor really does. DPSFSU (talk) 13:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * From what I’ve researched it never did exist he just tortures you to the breaking point and tells you that you just missed the deadline. 2001:1970:4E1B:6D00:B039:CA:88E7:5867 (talk) 03:20, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The Attorney General Investigation
It should be noted that the place is currently not operating due to an investigation into the "manor", being conducted by Tennessee officials. Blister926 (talk) 08:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Added w/source. --Xanzzibar (talk) 18:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2023
Recent evidence has emerged suggesting that McKamey Manor, the extreme haunted house experience, Is a hoax and the owner Russ McKamey tortured and kidnapped actors and contestants for his youtube advertisements. This information is supported by "Reckless Ben" on YouTube. People are getting really hurt by this man and this site MUST be changed to teach and show others not to go, or at least show possible future contestants what to expect since they also spend money on their experience. 68.61.73.193 (talk) 02:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 02:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

This article is full of misinformation
Reckless Ben exposed this piece of shit for his fake excuse to torture people and still this article claims it's a 'haunted house' etc..please fix this misinformation BS Reaving Raven (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)