Talk:Mealworm/Archive 1

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I'm concerned about the "copyright" notice on the bottom, although it does grant permission to redistribute. Fledchen 14:20, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Also the use of "I" and "you" in the care section is jarring and not really appropriate for an encyclopedia.SusanNunes 02:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Nutrition
Can these be a useful source of vitamin b12? Sunnan 00:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, they are a source, but very small.Kingalex56 17:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Giant Mealworms
I raised mealworms for a short time and discovered that some of my competitors used a juvenile hormone to increase the length in the larval stage. The juvenile hormone that was recommended to me by a Professor of Entomology to try for this result was a product called Precor 1%, which was primarily developed to exterminate fleas and marketed for the same. I had some degree of success, but was not able to achieve the degree of success that my competitors were able to achieve. Had I been able to employ an entomologist to perfect the process I'm remain certain that I would have eventually been able to match the same results that my competitors had achieved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.251.11.117 (talk) 23:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Mealworms in rice
How can you protect your rice from meal worms? i don't understand how they get in there. Are they already in the rice, or do they get in if the bag is not sealed well? would an airtight container work? help me out please because the thought of consuming mealworms makes me sick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.201.160 (talk) 03:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I found out, air-tight containers are thebest way —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.206.224 (talk) 01:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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Food
Mealworms eat decaying leaves,sticks and grasses. They also get their water from potatoes, apples, and other fruits or vegetables containing water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.165.89 (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Mealworm beetles in the wild
This article is severely lacking for a biology/zoology article. It only discusses the beetles in the context of their use by humans, and, while this is important, it should also contain information on the beetles in a natural setting. Where are they originally from? What do they eat in the wild? --Laryaghat (talk) 21:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You are welcome to expand the article with a section on habitat. The external links at the bottom of the article provide some information, and it would be better if they were converted to references instead of links. One of them says mealworms are rarely found in the wild. I don't see information about where they are originally from. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Breeding mealworms
Mealworms are really popular feeder foods for reptiles and the article could do with some expansion on the topic. I don't however have permission to edit the article. I would urge anybody who has permission to do so - this page has a really good guide on doing it: http://www.reptileexpert.org/mealworms.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.29.157 (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Krümelomat, 15 May 2011 +makropicture
File:Mehlwurmmakro 2.jpg

Krümelomat (talk) 09:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅! ~Amatulić (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Where do they eat mealworms?
I accessed this article to find out what cultures out there eat this kind of food. I didn't find any information here. I think it would be informative for someone who knows to add this to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.27.178.208 (talk) 19:09, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 July 2012
Under External Links - "Bird eating mealworm" link appears to be broken, video has been removed from Youtube

Coachace (talk) 00:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Done Thanks for pointing that out. RudolfRed (talk) 00:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Link to commercial pest control company not added - please see WP:ELNO. Thanks. Begoon &thinsp; talk 05:31, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Human consumption
Why doesn't the "human consumption" section actually discuss human consumption of mealworms? +Angr 22:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Try: Will your next burger be ground-up mealworms? By Charles Choi. Published December 20, 2012. LiveScience. Pring (talk) 04:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's a link: http://www.livescience.com/25709-mealworms-sustainable-meat-alternative.html ~Amatulić (talk) 06:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

DO MEAL WORMS HAVE BELLYBUTTONS?
HEY YEAH IM DOING A REPORT ON MEALWORMS BUT I NEED TO KNOW IF MEALWORMS HAVE BELLYBUTTONS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.146.240.4 (talk) 00:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
 * no. Debivort 05:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

no they do not we have 500+ mealworms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.109.112 (talk) 06:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC) pickl e — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.154.148.177 (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Doing a Research Paper
Hey I just did a research paper on Mealworms and found this to also be a great guide http://mealworms.org/. I tried adding it to the external links section or "refernce" section to help other people out but there isn't an edit button..? Maybe a moderator can make this fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristopherMathew (talk • contribs) 21:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Conflicting larval sizes
The lead states that larvae are typically 2.5cm in length, whereas another section states that larvae exposed to juvenile hormones reach abnormal sizes of over 2cm. Which is correct? Only the latter claim is referenced, so should the first statistic be removed? 129.234.114.138 (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

/* Edit request on 2 July 2014 */  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristopherMathew (talk • contribs) 08:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2014
While doing a lot of extensive research on Mealworms I found this to also be a great guide http://mealworms.org/. I know that people are always trying to add their "commercial or company" links but this one is different. Complete value here at this site. I just did a research paper and finding info on mealworms is somewhat of a tough topic to come by. Thanks for your time and hopefully I can add some value to this source.

ChristopherMathew (talk) 15:17, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: My apologies! I simply wanted to add a resource to the external links section http://mealworms.org/

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2014
While doing a lot of extensive research on Mealworms I found this to also be a great guide http://mealworms.org/. I know that people are always trying to add their "commercial or company" links but this one is different. Complete value here at this site. I just did a research paper and finding info on mealworms is somewhat of a tough topic to come by. Thanks for your time and hopefully I can add some value to this source.

ChristopherMathew (talk) 15:17, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: My apologies! I simply wanted to add a resource to the external links section http://mealworms.org/

ChristopherMathew (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:05, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 December 2014
This is a request to edit the "As food" section on the wiki page "Mealworm". The image with the description "A Chinese dish of mealworms from a Yunan restaurant" actually depicts bamboo worms. (I've done extensive internet research on both species and have handled mealworms in real life). I suggest to change the image to the one from this link: "http://www.yummly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Mealworm-Covered-Caramel-Apple-helablog.jpg", with the description: "A mealworm covered caramel apple, presented at the Arizona State Fair in Phoenix." Pretty yummy, right? If this is the wrong way to make a request please give me a little push in the right direction. Thanks in advance.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please visit WP:FFU and request your proposed image be uploaded and then come back here to request it changed once it is on a WMF server. Thanks you. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:44, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2015
Mealworms can be a sustainable soy replacement in livestock feeds. Mealworm farming uses 500 times less water and 17 times less land than soy per pound of protein produced.

66.82.162.17 (talk) 00:35, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
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edit request : url for cite in waste disposal
In In waste disposal please add URL https://news.stanford.edu/pr/2015/pr-worms-digest-plastics-092915.html in cite. 19:15, 11 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.125.213.150 (talk)
 * ✅: Link added. GABHello! 00:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  06:10, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2016
Tenebrio molitor is often used for biological research. Its relatively large size, ease of rearing and handling, and status as a model organism make it useful in proof of concept studies in the fields of basic biology, biochemistry, evolution, immunology and physiology.

In the original statement, the mealworm is regarded as a NON-model organism. However, its utility is that of a model organism.

Dodoph (talk) 12:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2019 - Adding Reference
Adding new Reference regarding vitamin B12 content.

Change: They also have greater vitamin content by weight compared to beef, B12 not included.

to: They also have greater vitamin content by weight compared to beef, B12 not included. Boku754 (talk) 10:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The request has been completed. Thank you. AmericanAir88(talk) 23:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2019
Just want to add that the Tenebrio molitor displays negative photaxis, which means it moves away from light sources. One source for this information is https://www.jstor.org/stable/1414336#metadata_info_tab_contents. Sepehra123 (talk) 20:33, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2019
In the section "In waste disposal," there is the claim "In 2015, it was discovered that mealworms are capable of degrading polystyrene into usable organic matter at a rate of about 34-39 milligrams per day." I believe that this claim is false. It lacks a source, so I went to the original study from Environmental Science and Technology. It appears to me that the 34-to-39 figure is off by two orders of magnitude. On solution is to change "34-39 milligrams" to ".34-.39 milligram." Another is to identify that rate as "per 100 mealworms."

For what it's worth, here's the part of the study, which is freely downloadable as a PDF file, that I am relying on: "For example, a group of 500 mealworms (n = 3 groups) from Beijing caused a total mass loss of Styrofoam accounting for 31.0 +/- 1.7% of the initial mass (5.8 g) within 30 days." For my math, that's 5,800 milligrams total or about 11.6 milligrams per worm per month. From this figure, I get approximately 0.387 milligram per worm per day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.213.9.216 (talk) 06:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 1 February 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Mealworm → Mealworm beetle – The article says that "mealworm" is a larva-specific term like "caterpillar" and that "mealworm beetle" is the age-inclusive term like "butterfly". Georgia guy (talk) 02:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The content of the article is primarily about the mealworm, not the pupa or beetle form. Also we have the guideline WP:COMMONNAME; mealworms are bought and sold, not the beetles. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per commonname. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:47, 3 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020
Under the section Reproduction the following line needs to be changed:

Within a few days the female burrows into soft ground and lays about 500 eggs.

To

'''Within a few days the female burrows into soft ground and lays eggs. Over their lifespan, a female can lay 500 eggs on average.'''

Female tenebrio molitor (darkling beetles, the adult form of mealworms) do not lay 500 eggs at once. They typically lay 1 egg. The beetles live about 2-3 months and the eggs are spread out over that time.

If you need academic sources I can look them up and provide them but we work with and farm tenebrio molitor and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the females do not burrow to lay 500 eggs all at once. Also, among those 500 eggs they could have numerous mates (we do not know how many but it's possible that it is one per egg. RichardSHutchison (talk) 18:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done This seems rather logical, though I would indeed appreciated if you could cite some form of WP:RS. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  02:50, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

''I have actually forgotten the proper syntax for the talk pages and could use your help. I'm going to try to write it out for you to copy and paste, but please fix as needed. The first was taken directly from Table 11, page 81 of Punzo's Dissertation and the second is a direct quote from page 9 (labeled 770).''

In one study, female Tenebrio molitor mean oviposition rate over 48 hours ranges between 17.50 and 111. This means that a female tenebrio molitor can lay between 8.75 and 55.5 eggs per day.

Source: Punzo, F. (1975) Effects of temperature, moisture and thermal acclimation on the biology of Tenebrio molitor (Coleoptera: Tenebrionidae). Iowa State University Capstones, Theses and Dissertations. p81.

In another study, "Oviposition started about 8 days after emergence, and continued  for  32-88  days,  during which an average of 83 eggs per  female was produced."

Source: DICK, J. (1937), OVIPOSITION IN CERTAIN COLEOPTERA. Annals of Applied Biology, 24: 762-796. doi:10.1111/j.1744-7348.1937.tb05055.x

This is a daily average of 10.375. For 32 days this results in 332 eggs, for 88 days this results in 913. Averaging this out, adult female tenebrio molitor on averate lay 622.5 eggs over their lifespan.

RichardSHutchison (talk) 20:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Where can they be found?
This article doesn't list what this bug's habitat or native range is. --198.101.118.150 (talk) 12:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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Found a Great External Source for Info - edit request on 15 July 2014
Article states: For every 100 grams of raw mealworm larvae, 206 calories and anywhere from 14 to 25 grams of protein are contained.[11]. Source states 206 kilo calories (Table 6.1, Page 68).Medardus333 (talk) 20:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅  Madeline  ( part of me ) 20:59, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Edible insects as parasite vectors
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6613697/

Given the current climate of loosening restrictions on entomophagy in the EU and other western legislatures, I believe wikipedia articles on entomophagy should at least mention the risk of parasite transmission. Dimomarg (talk) 12:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The article about entomophagy in humans may be a better place for this. EditorInTheRye (talk) 12:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. However if Dimomarg has mealworm specific information then I agree with inclusion here. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2023
Please delete the last two entries in the external links section. They're WP:LINKSPAM added by a WP:SPA. 93.72.49.123 (talk) 05:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ &#128156; melecie   talk  - 06:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)