Talk:Mean household income

incorrect ranking value for australia?
There is almost certainly some kind of problem for the value for australia. Can someone please investigate and update the correct value or ranking, and then can delete this comment of mine afterwards. thanks. This is a useful page though.
 * Agreed. I don't have time to look into the PDF file to find the correct statistic, so I just took out the zero. Hopefully someone with more time on their hands can double check it Hvatum (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

(this was here before)
Hi, does anyone know how I can make the tables larger, so I can fill that large gap?

Thanks

Free health care = effectively a larger income?
Would the free health care in the UK mean that once this is taken into consideration, that they actually have a higher household income?

-No it would not. First of all, the data is converted in PPP exchange rates which would take into account that US healthcare and education is much more expensive. But even if this doesn't do it, US healthcare costs (out of pocket) per households amounts to around $1,900 per household (median=much less than this)according to the NHEA. Of course, over here we are not measuring total household income, so if we wanted to take out the $1,900 from the US figure we would have to convert it to the same measurement as the income figure, and it ends up going down to $1,000. So at most you would subtract $1,000 to take into account healthcare costs.

What are the currency units being used here?
Surely the units (local currency or Dollar exchange rate at some specific date) need to be made clear ?

78.146.169.154 (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

---PPP ($) is being used. It's standard procedure.

Stop changing numbers!
Guys, whoever is changing the ranking every so often, I ask you to stop because it's childish behavior. I created the page for a reason, not for other to mess it up. Figures come directly from source, so there is no arguing about where they came from and authenticity. lneal001

Start signing your comments! ;-) T om ea s y T C 00:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Why the sudden drop?
Anyone know why there is a sudden drop with Poland? Is this really correct? The income drops by half from position 16 to 17. Macavity (talk) 03:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Disputed
I added the disputed tag because the article history shows many uncommented changes to the tables by different IPs, not all of which have been reverted, and because of the anomaly identified by Macavity above. I tried to check the cited source, ie this page, but not knowing anything about economics I couldn't work out how to get the figures in this article from the source. If someone could check and update the figures – or explain to me how to do it – we could then request semi-protection to prevent IP edits. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 03:28, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Recent changes
I have edited this article thoroughly some days ago when I found it in quite a terrible state. Now, I have seen that user:Lneal001 has blatantly reverted all my efforts without specifying any reasons. Therefore, I call for discussion here, so that this user can voice their objects to my edits.

Just to give some credit to my changes. The first sentence did not even start with mean household income but with household income, for which there is a separate article. Other things were implemented equally bad. It was more than a surprise to me having seen everything reverted. T om ea s y T C 22:15, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

List of countries by household income
There currently exists an article called List of countries by household income. This is the same name that the present article had two weeks ago. Not surprisingly, the list contains more or less the same information. Ironically, its talk page even redirects to the present talk page.

I propose to delete List of countries by household income, as it is not more than a duplicate. Moreover, the content hosted there (and here) is rather an article than a list. T om ea s y T C 22:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I just found International Ranking of Household Income is another identical copy of "List of countries by household income". This is more than ridiculous. So, i will add a speedy deletion template to the latter. T om ea s y T C 22:44, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok, User:Lneal001 has just created a redirect from the International Ranking ... to List of countries ... This eliminates the problem of having two identical articles. Nevertheless, the problem described in my first post in this section remains. So, I still propose deletion of the latter as it contains almost the same content as the present article, actually it is a rather bad copy of it. T om ea s y T C 23:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Since there is no opposition here, I will proceed with deleting List of countries by household income, which is not more than a copy of the present article. I will then redirect from there to here. T om ea s y T C 17:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Dear Tom, I think it would be unwise to delete the median portion. I say delete the mean household income page and just have one page for both mean and median. List of countries by household income does not preclude median. Otherwise, you are going to have 2 pages for mean and median, which is inefficient. I do not see the need for just a mean hh income page.

Lneal001 (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I deleted a page that was almost identical to the present page. If I understand you correctly, you want to delete the present page. I think, we should agree first which pages to have and then go into detail about the content.
 * I agree with your proposal that, at least for the time being, mean and median hh income can be treated in the same article. However, I propose this page to be Household income, which defines hh income, and based on that the derived quantities mean and median hh income. These can then be defined in section on the hh income article. A list page should only be added if the terms are properly defined on their pages. So when you want to add the whole hh income story to Wikipedia, you should not start with a list. Moreover, I do not see a reason for such a list at this moment, even once the terms are defined in articles. The hh income article will still not be too large even if we publish the data on it. Note that the number of countries is quite limited.
 * So in short, at this moment, I see justification only for a single page, that is an article called Household income, where the whole content that you added in the previous months can be contained. T om ea s y T C 21:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I really fail to comprehend why this article is being replaced with unreferenced data. I've tried to retore what credible contents remained from previous versions. Pristino (talk) 03:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with your opinion on unsourced data, which I also identified and marked with a fact tag. Nevertheless, why on earth did you revert all my valueable copy editing to the prose. I am really not amused. The text is more than messy. I will therefore revert, and then substitute the unsourced data table by the one you used. T om ea s y T C 07:42, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I will put the data under household income. Lneal001 (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, you should not put unsourced data anywhere. It was removed here, so why do you think it will be appreciated elsewhere. If you want to retain this content on Wikipedia, provide your reference. Till then, it will be removed, because we have sourced data published here now. T om ea s y T C 20:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean not referenced? The tables are referenced to the LIS with the PPPs having an OECD link. Also, for mean household income, the PPPs are wrong, so allow me to change that with the real PPPs---he is using the wrong set of PPPS (for GDP) instead of private consumption. Lneal001 (talk) 05:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The references you introduced recently do nott exhibt the data you want to put. Perhaps, you can help and provide deeper links that solve this problem. However, I failed to find these data.
 * Please elaborate further on what "he" is doing wrong. Who do you mean by "he" anyway? T om ea s y T C 07:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Mean household income be merged into Household income. I think that the content in the present article can easily be explained in the context of Household income, which is of a reasonable size to accommodate the merging.

Currently, both articles are almost identical duplicates. Their main difference is the display of tables that ought to be identical, but differ because they have been complied by different users. T om ea s y T C 07:45, 13 May 2011 (UTC)