Talk:Meat Loaf/Archive 1

Throat condition
The part about Meat Loaf's throat condition being "mental" is false. He has an autographed photo hanging in the office of the ear nose & throat doctor who performed the operation of his throat-- I would know, because he was my doctor too. His name is Dr. Lane, and he's located in Bridgeport, CT- Just a few cities over from Loaf's home in Redding.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.181.188 (talk) 05:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

films and albums lists
Any reason why the films and albums list in different directions?
 * I am going to switch films. This is an arbitrary choice. Osmodiar 14:11, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

external links, official site
Changed and updated external links. MeatLoaf.net is now Meat Loaf's official website.


 * Someone needs to take a look at reference #8 (Meatloaf goes through hell again) - the link is broken and CNN's search engine is denying all knowledge. 71.38.149.203 04:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

age
1951???

isn't he much older?
 * Mr Loaf can't seem to decide exactly how old he is. He said in his book that he was born in 1947 but has since admitted that he was lying and that he was actually born in 1951. When questioned about this during a 2003 newspaper interview he showed his passport to the interviewer which confirmed the 1951 date. However, I've heard that birth records show that he WAS born in 1947(!). Crisso 17:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree: I think it should read 1951 unless Crisso can provide the reference to justify the 1947 date. I believe Mr. Loaf would do a double lie but right now I think the passport is the strongest evidence.
 * i believe it was 1951 because of the passport


 * Many credible sources, including IMDB and Meat Loaf's own autobiography, list his birthdate as 1947. He stated in an interview that it is actually 1951, but he did not offer any proof (he has been known to exaggerate). He graduated from Thomas Jefferson High School in 1965, according to the class of '65 official website . Most students graduate from high school at the age of 18. Unless someone can prove that he graduated four years early, this supports using the date of 1947. Additionally, according to many sources, including the Biography Channel, Meat Loaf ignored a draft notice in 1967. If he was born in 1951, then he would have only been 16 and couldn't have received a draft notice. All hard evidence points to 1947, so unless Meat Loaf gives us proof otherwise (like actually showing us the passport or drivers license he mentioned), it should stay at 1947. bellminer (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * One more thing: On the Meat Loaf UK Fan Club (MLUKFC) website, Meat Loaf's user profile lists 1947. bellminer (talk) 23:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As the interviewer in the article mentioned above states, "it doesn't quite erase the sentence "I was born on September 27 1947", which comes from his own 1999 autobiography. I suppose the legal document takes precedent." It would seem that although he was born in 1947 thanks to the evidence presented above, he is legally known to have been born in 1951. I think this discussion is rather interesting, and maybe the debate deserves mention in the article? It's very interesting in my opinion. -- Poet  Talk 05:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

He was born in 1947 and here's the ultimate proof. Crisso (talk) 00:55, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistencies
"the extremely successful second album..."

"best-selling debut album of all time..."

Anyone care to reconcile these two statements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.160.176.110 (talk) 07:37, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

What about these two -- "During a show in Ottawa, Meat Loaf fell off the stage and broke his leg. The injury caused the cancellation of the rest of the tour."

"Fell off the stage and broke his leg during a concert at Toronto in 1978 - he finished the tour in a wheelchair."

So...he broke his leg twice in the 1970s, in two different Canadian cities, on tour? Right... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.198.151.211 (talk) 19:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

meatloaf was born in 1947 u dinilo! x lol love all u meatloaf fans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.191.154 (talk) 17:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

POV
"Dellentash and Sonenberg re-edited the movie and it turned out terrible." Hardly a neutral statement. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it was terrible....

"In 1981, Leslie gave birth to Amanda Aday, now a television actress. Also in 1981, Meat Loaf changed managers after finding out that Dellentash and Sonenberg were stealing his money." This makes it sound like they were rifling his wallet. And Shouldn't we cite some sort of evidence when making that kind of accusation? TheMadBaron 15:15, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I wrote those statements and they are POV - POV of Meat Loaf. If you look in the references section you will see that his autobiography is listed.  If the man starring in the movie calls it terrible, I would probably agree.  Alos, the part about Dellentash and Sonenberg stealing his money was also in his book.  He could be lying, but until somebody say something different, I think they ought to be left, even if noted as coming from Meat Loaf himself. Gorrister 12:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree they should be left, but in order for the article to remain neutral, they should be attributed to Meat Loaf. Direct quotes from the autobiography might help. Is this possible? TheMadBaron 02:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The abbreviation is NPOV (neutral point of view). Quotes from Meat Loaf's own autobiography may not neccessarily be neutral.  A more neutral statement would be something like "... Meat Loaf changed managers after suspicion arose that Dellentash and Sonenberg were embezzeling money."
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianvdb (talk • contribs) 22:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Pearl Aday is up for deletion!
Just a heads up that Pearl Aday has been nominated for deletion. Go there and show you support! Does anyone have a genuine fair use photo of her: i.e. a genuine screenshot from a DVD (not a 'publicity photo'). The JPS 02:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

POV issues
I think this article is more or less on target when it comes to getting bio and discography information, but are definitely pockets where the article, particularly its word choice, reads like it's been written by an obvious fan, his publicist, or is taken from some autobiography he may have wrote. As someone who's familiar with the singer, but not a passionate fan, it reads a little too affectionate for a encyclopedia article. I added the tag because I'm not as familiar with Meat Loaf and I thought someone who is may be able to clean it up without accidently removing relavent info Bobak 23:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why don't you have a stab anyway, Bobak? You can't do any harm! If anything important is removed it'll be readded by someone with it on their watchlist. And you seem to be aware of which parts need revising. The JPS 00:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I just read the article, and I strongly disagree with the statement at the top that claims the article "reads like an advertisement." It's not like the article idolizes Meat Loaf; at most, I would agree that the article's sections on Meat Loaf's current and future projects could be INTERPRETED as biased in Meat Loaf's favor, so if someone wants to change the wording, maybe that wouldn't be so bad. But the claim that the article as a whole reads like an advertisement is bizarre. By the way, my argument has nothing to do with any sort of Meat Loaf adulation on my part, I only know a couple of his songs. This is just my honest reaction to the article. I thought about simply removing the disclaimer, but I thought it would be more prudent to post my opinion instead, rather than tick anybody off. -- Minaker

I cleaned this up a bit and removed unnecessary detail (such as plot elements from Fight Club), POV writing and stupid detail (such as "he eventually got his voice back" Well, duh, he is not a mute!). Please do not revert, this article is way too long and is poorly written. It still needs much work and should be reorganized into different sections instead of being a meandering biography. This is not supposed to be a retelling of his biography filled with insignificant details. If we want to know every minute detail of Meat's life, then we will buy the book. DFS (talk) 09:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Hope people don't mind as I am a newbie
but I just wanted to dip my toe in gently and just correct one spelling mistake: 'succesful' (sic) and change one word 'greatest' to 'largest' to make the first paragraph a little more neutral GrantB 07:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

As another newbie, a very little known Meat Loaf album was released in the UK in 1979, presumabley in a late attempt to cash in on Bat's continued success. Called "Featuring Stoney and Meat Loaf" it was released on the Prodigal label (catno PDL 2010) and featured some of the songs from the original Stoney and Meat Loaf albums along with a couple of unreleased tracks. Bizarrely it was re-released in 1986 on the Tamla Motown label (catno ZL 72217) I have a copy of the Motown release and could scan in the sleeve and put in a track listing either here on in the Stoney and Meat Loaf album listing.

As a total wikipedia newbie, I am not sure which, if any, would be appropriate and am lookinf for advice. Fork me 22:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * fork me all you have to do is make sure the information is reliable and make sure you don`t breake any rulesUser:Grandoldman 16:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)]


 * A couple of days ago I've updated the Stoney & Meatloaf article, and now it also includes the details on the Featuring Stoney and Meatloaf album Evil Nickname 12:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Contradictory Information
I'd just like to point out that it appears as if Meat Loaf broke his leg twice in the year of 1978! In the main body of the article it says that he broke his leg whilst on tour in Ottawa and then cancelled the rest of the tour, however in the "Things You May Not Have Known" section it says that he broke his leg in Toronto and then finished the tour in a wheelchair! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.203.114.147 (talk) 10:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

More conradictory information is about "bat out of hell III" clashes with the jim Steinman's page; on Meat loaf's, it states that it will be worked on by Steinman, whereas on Steinman's page it states that it will not be worked on by him but that meat loaf would be working on this on his own, and that there is a legal battle ongoing for the rights of "bat out of hell". I believe the latter to be correct having heard a recent radio interview in which Meat loaf stated this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Commander vlad (talk • contribs) 21:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

No Mention of Films?
This article goes into great detail about his music career, but only briefly mentions one movie - Rocky Horror Picture Show. The guy's got 56 IMDB acting credits, surely something else merits a mention here?
 * Thank you, whoever added that.
 * I replaced the section listing his complete filmography with a smaller section discussing his tv and acting career. Since the article was allready longer then recomended under wikipedia guidelines, I felt it would be better if readers simply clicked on the IMDB link at the bottom to get the complete filmography. All we really need at this point is a paragraph that mentions a few of his more notable film and TV appearences. --Cab88 09:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Just seemed wierd that Fight Club, at the very least, was not mentionned, considering he had a much bigger part in that than in RHPS.  -- Lurlock 02:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC) (Oh, those other two comments were me also, forgot to sign them.  Oops.)

Damn, somebody got rid of it again. I realize there's an IMDB link, but saying you're not including information on the site because it exists elsewhere is a bit contradictory to the whole principle of the Wiki. Everything on this site exists elsewhere, or else it gets taken down for not having reliable source. If you're going to take down stuff just because there are other sites where people can get the information, then why not just delete the entire page and replace it with a link to www.allmusic.com or one of countless other sites that has this info? Eh, whatever. Don't care enough to make any more of a fuss about it than this. -- Lurlock 23:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Contradictions on Bat out of Hell III
I don't mean to cause any trouble by posting here, but I'd like to touch on the Bat out of Hell III topic. I've read the Meat Loaf, Jim Steinman, and Bat out of Hell III pages and have come to my own conclusions. I beleive, first of all, that none of this shall be known until Bat out of Hell III is actually released. But the conclusion I've made is that Steinman probably has nothing to do with it. Here is my reasoning: I've heard (not verified completely) that Meat Loaf announced the work-in-production of Bat out of Hell III at a somewhat recent concert. But, as stated 2 messages above, Steinman claims not to have any involvement in it. Now, personally, I'd beleive Steinman's word (it's hard to explain my thought process). Since no one really knows for sure — except Meat Loaf and Steinman themselves — perhaps we should, on all three pages, post that "it is beleived that..." or something of the sort related to the topic. That is, until it actually comes out. Basically my point is that if it is going to be on Wikipedia and no one knows for sure, it should be stated so. Thanks!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Djh2400 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Real Name: Marvin or Michael? Or MEAT???
This article shows his real first name as Michael. An AP story today gives his real first name as Michael. I'm not going to change the article, but I am going to create a redirect for "Michael Aday" to this article. --24.53.74.197 14:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I was going to raise this point again as well. Several news articles note his first name as Marvin as well (quoting us?) but the references to the suit all say Michael.  I'm trying to track down the filing; I assume we'll have to consider it authoritative... --Baylink 17:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, but he was born Marvin Lee Aday but changed his name to Michael Aday when a Levi ad used his name and "fat" in the same sentence. I guess he was a little offended. Aaрон  Кинни  (t) 07:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Some sources say that he legally changed his name to Meat Loaf. Any cites either way? What does it say on his passport?

when meatloaf was younger his name was marvin lee addey but when he got older he changed his first name to michaelGrandoldman (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violations
Please do not copy and paste from other websites. It is copyright infringement. I've removed huge chunks taken directly from the IMDb. The JPS talk to me  11:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

charlie manson encounter
i was searching meat loaf on youtube and came accross this video in which meat loaf recalls picking up charlie manson who was hitch hiking. i wouldn't know where this would fit in, maybe trivia. i'm just putting the information here for anyone who wants to use it. Patrick 22:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Amazon tracklisting
According to the tracklisting, one of the tracks is "Bad For Good" - assuming this is a Jim Steinman contribution, woah - that song is old. V. old. It also mentions "It’s All Coming Back To Me Now" - another Jim Steinman song, previously recorded by Celine Dion - will be interesting to hear Meat Loaf's take on that. But hardly an album of new material is it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.108.145.11 (talk • contribs)
 * Well, as far aas I see, only (Steinman, anyway) three of the 14 are covers, and these versions haven't been released before. Since a producer is involved, with a different "take", I think we can safely say it is original. The JPS talk to me  11:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * According to BBC News today, seven of the tracks are Jim Steinman authored - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5243252.stm
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.108.145.10 (talk) 11:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Controversy?
Throughout the article, there is much mention of "controversy" surrounding Bat out of Hell. I'm missing it. Can someone clarify or point out in the article how or why it was controversial? Thanks. Thorns Among Our Leaves 18:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No idea. I've removed them. I imagine that it might refer to the difficulties in getting a deal? But hardly 'controversial'. The JPS talk to me  19:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Bat 3 Leak
In the BOOH3 section, it mentions that the title track was leaked onto the Internet in May. Should it be mentioned that the album was leaked in September? Brooza 20:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Ted Nugent
Is it possible to add the Ted Nugent album Free For All to the article, since Meat Loaf sang some songs on it?


 * If I would know anymore about the album apart from which five songs mr. Loaf sang on, I would. Evil Nickname 20:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Discography
The discography now mentions the following albums: Live at the Bottom Line, Live in Cleveland and Hot as Hell. These are all bootlegs, and not official releases. Should those remain in the article? Evil Nickname 20:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, for I posted them all and own them all. They are original and one-of-a-kind recordings with exclusove songs meat proforms and should be reconized as much as Live around the world is. Plus There's also Live at the Bottom Line 1985 also. This has live recordings of Jump'n the gun, Bad attitude, and Peice of the action! -- Mr.Mushnik 02:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * These recordings are not official releases, but Bootleg recordings. If you start to include those, I think you have to include them all. (And there are quite a few more than those you mention.) And beyond the tracklisting, there isn't a lot of useful information available about most bootlegs. Evil Nickname 08:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalisim
I have noticed widespread vanalisim on this article, such as calling the Bat Out of Hell albums Bat out of my Ass and the like.

I would fix it myself, but it is so widespread that I think it would take a total revert to do. I'm not sure how to do it.

Could someone more knowlageable about such things do it?Luthien Minyatur 17:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

religion
Does anyone know if Meat has a religion or not ? I am assuming being from texas he was possble a baptist or some form christian sect. Please forgive my crap grammer for the record and thank you for your time.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Anglo irish1978 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Aday
How pronounce last two letters (AY) in the reality family name "Aday" in singer Meat Loaf. Like second and third letter in word "Day" or like second letter in word "Pit". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.154.204.171 (talk) 18:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

New Year's Eve duet girl??
Does anybody know the girl Meat Loaf did the Duet with? I'm pretty sure she is perfect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.191.20.136 (talk) 02:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Van Morrison's Them
Van Morrison is the best known member of the NI band Them, but I don't believe that Van the man would ever have referred to the band as his, and it was certainly never called Van Morrison's Them at the time of their first two albums (as issued in the UK). 00:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Origin of Meat Loaf??
His first girlfriend called him Meat in homage to Porky's? Why is that in there? He was going by Meat Loaf wayyy before then, i'm taking that out. Anybody who knows the real origin of his actual name, put it there. (The article says that he got the name Meat Loaf when his girlfriend called him Meat in homage to the 1982 teenage sex comedy Porky's)


 * I make no claim to expertise, but I believe Meat has given any number of versions as to how he came to have that name. One he's commonly given is that it was given to him by a high school football coach. I think there's enough uncertainty that only he would know, really. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArcInference (talk • contribs) 07:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

I believe he mentioned it on one of his DVD's...not too sure which one, I think it was the classic something or other, and yes, it was his football coach, according to that dvd.Taker04 (talk) 10:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I've heard him give a different explanation of the name four or five different times on talk shows and in concert. They're all contradictory, but everyone says that they know how he got his name because they heard him tell it. I'll bet it's a childhood nickname that really doesn't have a cool story behind it, but he keeps people guessing about it.Hollielol (talk) 15:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I was somewhat surprised to see that no mention of the origin of Meat Loaf's stage name is made in this article, and had to Google it instead. It strikes me that the name is unusual enough to warrant at least an attempt at an explanation on Wikipedia. I realise that there are several competing explanations out there, with some (e.g. the "high school coach" incident) being more commonly banded about than others, but just like is done in the Marx Brothers article, surely we could just list the most common theories? It would be better than no mention at all. Mixsynth (talk) 12:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I also have heard him, in interviews, give three different "origins" of the nickname. The first I heard was back on the old David Brenner show. Meat said a friend had bet him he wouldn't put his head on a curb and let a VW Beetle run over it. When he did and won the bet, the friend said that he (Marvin) must have meat loaf for brains. And the name stuck. Or so he said that time. I also recall him saying that it was a nickname given to him by a rather abusive father based on his initials, ML, and his size. So until there is a "definitive" story, I think the best we can do is to say that he has given several different explinations of the origin of his nickname.Rhodesisland (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Album Sales?
"Bat Out of Hell, the debut album which had been four years in the making, sold over 34 million copies, almost becoming more profitable than Michael Jackson's blockbuster Thriller, which sold 60 million copies."

How is that even close to Thriller? Danielsage98 08:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Because Thriller cost inordinately more to make. And I sincerely have issues with the concept of Thriller having sold 104 million copies, that must be a typo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * I came here because as of right now, it says Bat Out Of Hell, the debut album which had been four years in the making, sold over 37 million copies, nearly as profitable as Michael Jackson's blockbuster Thriller, which sold 104 million copies.. That's just silly.  Yes, selling 37 million copies is an AWESOME accomplishment, but we don't need the Michael Jackson part...I'm going to remove it --sumnjim talk with me·changes 15:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

First On Stage Autograph
I went to the show in Ottawa and Meat Loaf signed what he said was the first and only On-Stage autograph of his career. Maybe we mention this is the trivia section? Kratos Aurion 06:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

1947 or 1948?
When is he born? Here it says that he is born in 1948. http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/meat_loaf Could somebody give me the answer please?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.231.53 (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

"Early life" contradictions
"In 1967, after seeing his mother hospitalized and her health deteriorating, Marvin stole his dad's credit card and moved to Los Angeles, where he became a bouncer at a teenage nightclub."

"In his autobiography, Marvin claims that shortly after his mother died, his father, in a drunken rage, tried to kill him with a knife, and that he barely managed to escape after they had a bad fight."

Make your mind up...did he move to Los Angeles when his mother's health was deteriorating or shortly after she died and his dad attacked him? If he moved to Los Angeles then came back, perhaps this should be mentioned as well...although if he became a bouncer I would have thought he planned to stay permanently. Or if these events are not coincidental and his dad came to LA and did it BECAUSE he stole the credit card, perhaps that should be included in the passage. The very fact that I've given 2 different possibilities (and could probably think up many more) shows that leaving out important information and allowing contradiction is going to lead to assumptions about what actually happened :-) SmUX 23:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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Early Musical Career paragraph contains partial sentences and confusing grammar, apparently as a result of deletions. There are strange fragments of topics, such as "Hair" that are never fully explained.

Shrubman 14:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Early musical career and Hair
The "Stoney & Meatloaf" section refers several times to Meat Loaf performing in Hair, but there's no other mention about it in the article. Maybe it should be covered as well. Sami 08:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Slang
What does …"hit a big note and blew the board dash" mean?Lestrade 19:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Lestrade

Searching Google for this phrase only turns up three pages which appear to be copies of this entry. Unless someone can source this, I'd say it should be removed as original research, by which i mean, someone making shit up.

It should also be noted that while recording studios have a "board," said board does not have a "dash" and one does not "blow" it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.96.156 (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

How to avoid military service
When his draft notice arrived two years later, he ignored it. Problem solved. Simple. If only millions of others knew about this easy way out of service. If so, the U.S. would quickly have had no military at all, opening the doors to any foreign aggressor. What's the real story with Meat Loaf's avoidance of military service? It can't be as uncomplicated as it is depicted in the article. If you ignore the U.S. government, does it go away?Lestrade 01:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)Lestrade


 * Technically, he could've been arrested and charged with a Federal crime. But I have a feeling they either couldn't find him or it required too much effort TO find him. These days, military enlistment is voluntary - so your sarcastic remarks make absolutely no sense. Cheers...SkittlzAnKomboz (talk) 22:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheated death
Can we get rid of the paragraph about cheating death in the Personal Life section, it's stupid, uninteresting and ridiculous speculation on the uneventful: 'his plane ALMOST had to make an emergency landing...'. 'Struck by WPS'!! despite the fact that 3% of the population have it, mostly without any ill effect and it causes death only 0.06% of the time in sufferers. I expect he was probably a bit careless crossing the road one time and ALMOST got hit, or twisted has his ankle whilst on occasion, or ate a dodgy burger and got nasty food poisoning (maybe thats why he went veggi) but who hasn't?

Can we not have some interesting stuff in this section like who are all these girls he writes his songs about. Also was he ever married? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.62.56 (talk) 15:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Last concert
Ok my friend who lives in Newcastle went to th concert and she told me his exact words.

"Newcastle, thank you very much. I want you to enjoy this Paradise, Bat out of Hell, Anything for Love, Mercury Blues and Gimme Shelter because they may be the last of my fucking life." then after the start of Paradise he said "No, I can't. That's it. No more. Thank you Newcastle for 30 wonderful years. I take off my jacket (which he did, and dropped it on the stage), Say again thank you, and that's all there is is. Goodbye." Tyler Warren (talk/contribs) 00:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Seems valid: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,22700807-10388,00.html - arkenstone 00:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The exact words aren't too far away from that: they are now on Wikinews. He said the next day that he was feeling really bad at the time, but he was continuing. The JPS talk to me  10:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

meatloafs address
hiya everyone can someone tell me the address to send letters to meatloaf but not by internet

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.191.154 (talk) 17:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Sony Ordered to Pay $5M in Logo Dispute - Steve Popovich
Sony Ordered to Pay $5M in Logo Dispute

Sony Music must pay the founder of a small record company $5 million for failing to put his company's logo on reissues of Meat Loaf's "Bat Out of Hell" album, a federal appeals court ruled.

Steve Popovich, 65, who started Cleveland International Records in 1977 and soon afterward signed the chubby singer named Marvin Lee Aday, persuaded Epic Records to release the wildly successful album.

Epic was owned at the time by CBS. Sony, which bought out CBS Records, paid $6.7 million to Popovich and his former partners in 1998 to settle a lawsuit over royalties from the album.

The settlement required Sony to place the Cleveland International logo on future Meat Loaf albums but Sony did not add the logo to "Bat Out of Hell" for more than a year.

In a 2-1 decision Wednesday, a panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati upheld a federal jury's decision in 2005 awarding Popovich an extra $5 million in damages.

"I worked too hard for them and made them too much money to get robbed now, in the autumn of my life," he said.

Cleveland International's roster also includes singer/songwriter David Allan Coe and an array of polka artists including Grammy winners Brave Combo and the late Frankie Yankovic.

A call Thursday to Sony Music in New York was answered with a message that the offices were closed until Monday.

Sony has claimed that the logo omission was a mistake that later was corrected. In court documents, Sony also accused Popovich of trying to get money out of the company by trumping up the logo agreement.

"Bat Out of Hell," operatic in tone, but guitar rock through and through, has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide, according to court records.

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On the Net:

http://www.clevelandintl.com

http://sonybmg.com

© Copyright 2007 CSC Holdings, Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pana Gamithis (talk • contribs) 15:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandals
I removed the statements, "Everyone else hated the movie, especially the little girls that he kissed during his concert. He is a douche." Let's just say they lacked citation. Smontg2 (talk) 02:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Saxophonist?
The saxophone is listed as one of his learned instruments. Yet, I've never seen Meat Loaf play a sax, and any sax bits on his albums or in his live shows are all played by someone else. The only thing I know of that might support this was his appearance in Rock Horror Picture Show where he seemly play a sax solo, however the sax was missing a reed and ligature, thus making it unplayable, he also wasn't holding it correctly. Anyways, unless someone can offer some info on this I'm going to remove it. 75.91.30.147 (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Meatloaf in Rocky Horror Picture Show
The article says he Plays both Eddie and Dr. Scott... this is not accurate... in the credits and if you look at IMDB, Jonathan Adams plays Dr. Everett Scott. Just thought I would point this out... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.95.11 (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Never left the music charts
"especially the UK, where he ranks 23rd for number of weeks overall spent on the charts, and is one of only two artists with an album never to have left the music charts."

I think this sentence needs clarified. Surely, every artist who is currently in the charts has an album which has never left... After how many weeks in the chart does a song qualify? Who is the other artist? Is this actually true because on the Meat Loaf discography page it says UK Bat out of hell #9; 476 weeks --81.103.40.178 (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Meat Loaf
Meat Loaf !

Marvin Aday: the actores got last year their new projects: reading in the sites of: Rachel Skarsten: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 12:59: April 13, 2008: written: Robert De Niro: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: 01:00: April 6, 2008: until to: camera to: Marvin Aday: or: Meat Loaf: better: as actor name is your born name: singing is acting: name: Marvin Aday: take my mission: Meat Loaf: the projects at the same time to your own projects: wishing you the best to the oscar and grammy awards: good luck ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.6.115.242 (talk) 21:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Casa de Carne track list
Does anyone know what the track list of the "Casa de Carne" tour of Meat Loaf would be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.65.0.153 (talk) 08:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Karla DeVito
How is it that this article has no mention of Karla DeVito, who sang with Meat Loaf on the Bat Out of Hell tour? She sang and performed the female part in the famous video of "Paradise By The Dashboard Light"

Here is her Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_DeVito —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.15.120.253 (talk) 09:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * From your link to Karla's page: "She subsequently became a backup singer for Meat Loaf, supporting the Bat out of Hell tour (and also performed lip sync to Ellen Foley's vocals in the supporting music videos) (bolding mine). She was only the video perfomer. While she may have sang it in concert with the Loafer, she did not sing it in the video. That was Ellen. Manway (talk) 18:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Album charts
especially the UK, where he ranks 23rd for number of weeks overall spent on the charts, and is one of only two artists with an album never to have left the music charts. What's this? Never to have left the album charts? He hasn't spent a single week on the UK album charts in the last 18 months. By the way, I left a note on the Meat Loaf discography page due to a lot of vandalism recently so that all the info is a mess of inconsistencies.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 02:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

his name is robert paulsen...
now i'll admit it's been a while since I saw fight club, but I thought a/ the name was spelt PaulsEn not PaulsOn, and b/ one of the important points in the story was that his first appearance was at a testicular cancer support group scene... i.e. it's a combination of the drugs and losing his 'nads (or possibly just the latter and overeating from depression) that cause the, ahem, "bitchtits". Anyone able to back this up? 77.102.101.220 (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Vegeterianism
I just heard an interview with Meat Loaf on radio and I think he said he was a vegetarian from '81-92 but has since gone back to eating meat. Perhaps someone would like to confirm this and modify it in the Trivia section.


 * He referred to having been a vegetarian for about that number of years in a recent UK talk show. ArcInference 07:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * What's the eating a live lamb bit? Is that a serious drug-induced delusion he had, or is it vandalism?Mzmadmike (talk) 14:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

He was just shown on a clip of next weeks Gordon Ramsays F-word and referred to as a vegetarian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muleattack (talk • contribs) 21:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Scrap that, from the horses mouth he said he was vegetarian for 11 years but isn't anymore. Muleattack (talk) 20:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, just saw that episode of Gordan Ramsey's F Word (2009), and he is making a "Meatloaf Tuna Casserole Surprise". Although it didn't have beef in it, it did have tuna which he ate on the show. I know some vegetarians still consider themselves such if they eat fish, but I think that supports the fact that he is not a veggie anymore, as has been mentioned several times in this discussion. 99.29.97.113 (talk) 19:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Blew the board dash?
The following passage, under "Early Music Career", makes no sense to me: "During the recording of their first song, Meat Loaf hit a big note and blew the board dash..."

Could this be re-worded so it actually makes some sense? Maybe if there were any citations in the entire section, I could have figured it out for myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.58.248.33 (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

It still doesn't make sense. I've recorded a demo for a record and installed a bunch of studios, not sure if that makes me an 'expert' but you can not blow a fuse by going too high. You *might* be able to do it by doing something too loud, but pitch really doesn't enter in to it.

Jacques Mattheij 77.165.209.212 (talk) 02:58, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Monster is Loose w/ Patti Russo
"Meat Loaf liked James Michael so much that he asked him to write a few songs on his 2006 album Bat out of Hell III: The Monster Is Loose. The title track was again a duet with Patti Russo who would also duet on Bat III."

The title track is not a duet. Patti Russo appears on the song "What About Love." 12.162.122.6 (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The Very Best of Meat Loaf
In the section "The Very Best of Meat Loaf", the two paragraphs duplicate sentences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.122.6 (talk) 01:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
For what it's worth... I once read in a book (can't recall the ntitle) that SR-71 pilots detached to Kadena, Okinawa were expected to learn the words to the songs on "Bat Out of Hell".

Basesurge (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC).

Edit request from 222.154.173.159, 26 July 2010
Hi there, Someone deleted the entire personal life segmant. Whats going on?

222.154.173.159 (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

probably should restore that, the article was protected because IPs kept adding silly nonsense--Lerdthenerd (talk) 10:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Dabomb87 (talk) 14:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Giggles17599, 20 November 2010
Meat Loaf appeared in Ghost Hunters episode Sloss Furnaces air date 11/17/2010.Giggles17599 (talk) 13:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Giggles17599 (talk) 13:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 15:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Adoption of Leslie Edmond
The little girl he adopted, Pearl, daughter of Leslie Edmonds, had been raised almost exclusively by her father, Clark J. Pierson, drummer on Janis Joplin's "Pearl" album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynkh (talk • contribs) 20:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

"Better known by"?
The first paragraph states that he is "better known by his stage names Meat Loaf and Meat Loaf Aday." Meat Loaf is obvious, but even though I've been alive for his entire career, I'd never heard his last name before reading this article. I think that most people would feel the same, so he's not really "better known" by the name Meat Loaf Aday. I propose eliminating that and just making it "better known by his stage name Meat Loaf." Any objections? Nosecohn (talk) 14:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree and say go for it. DFS (talk) 23:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I knew his birth name was Marvin - but where does "Michael" come from? Muzilon (talk) 02:53, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Julian Assange
I added the following sourced sentence into the 'Personal life' section of the article:
 * On the BBC's This Week TV program, on 3 December 2010, Meat Loaf stated to the host Andrew Neil that he "wants to cut off the toes of Julian Assange" - the man behind the WikiLeaks revelations about previously-secret cables sent from US embassies about their host nations.

It was subsequently removed by another editor, who considered it 'unencyclopedic content'.

To me, the views that a person holds - and freely expresses on national television - seem fair game for the subject's 'Personal life' section. That is, provided that the expressed views are significant, and I feel that wanting to cut off parts of another human's body comes into that category.

What are the rules on this, and do other editors have an opinion? Trafford09 (talk) 22:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from SquisheeLOTUW, 8 February 2011
Please change His most notable roles include Eddie in the American premiere of The Rocky Horror Show, Eddie in The Rocky Horror Picture Show to His most notable roles include Eddie in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. The current version is redundant.

Squishee demands a sacrifice... (talk) 06:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: If you check closely, you'll see that those are actually different. The Rocky Horror Show is a theatrical play, while The Rocky Horror Picture Show is a movie. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Roadrunner Records?
he is currently signed to Roadrunner Records. Can someone edit the appropriate section? Source: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/MeatLoaf/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.29.237 (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Does Meat loaf have a son?
In the first paragraph under the heading: “Major Success” and subheading: “Bat Out of Hell” the article states: “Meat Loaf and friend/songwriter Jim Steinman started Bat Out of Hell in 1972, but did not get serious about it until the end of 1974. The two-year gap in the production was due to controversy surrounding his son born in Afton, Wyoming.” My question is this: Whose son are we talking about? Is the article referring to a controversy about Meatloaf’s son born in Afton, Wyoming? If so, I can find no reference whatsoever to any son born to or belonging to Meatloaf or any reference to any controversy referring to such a birth. This is really bothering me! Clarification on this point would be appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.24.17 (talk) 03:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Vegetarian?
Does anyone have a reliable source for him being a vegetarian? I could only find a few dodgy sources that suggested he used to be. Also anything for him being a member of the Church of Christ? He's listed in these categories but they're not mentioned anywhere else on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Italienmoose (talk • contribs) 22:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Origin of the name "Meat Loaf"
I was surprised to see nothing written about how Marvin Aday came to be know as Meat Loaf. Surely this is noteworthy? (It's the reason I came here). 58.7.163.170 (talk) 09:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

birth city?
Sidebar says Dallas but bio section says Houston — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.208.39 (talk) 10:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC) Anybody know for sure where he was born? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobinInTexas (talk • contribs) 21:06, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

2011 AFL Grand Final controversy
It seems to me that the considerable criticism about his mediocre performance at the 2011 AFL Grand Final in Melbourne is notable enough for inclusion as a "controversy". It has been a significant news event in Australia. The removed information on this mostly relied on reliable newspaper and other online sources - not just "blogs". Such referenced informaton is not a violation of the BLP policies. Afterwriting (talk) 16:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Some sources: "Meat Loaf baked as AFL's worst" (Herald Sun), "Meatloaf shocker sends shivers down spine" (New Zealand Herald), "AFL defends Meat Loaf after widely criticised pre-game show" (Courier Mail), "Half-baked Loaf happy with show" (Fox Sports). - HappyWaldo (talk) 01:47, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Name/Pronunciation
We have, now, a relatively good source for the pronunciation and prosody of Meat's real name. In the front-sell for his charting "Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad" in position 20 of the 3-Jun-1978 American Top 40 (being syndicated by Premiere this week; cue sheet here: http://images.radcity.net/5135/5028396.pdf), Casey Kasem recounts having spoken to Meat about, among other things, his real name, and pronounces the last name A-Day; long A, equal stress on both syllabobbles. In lieu of other conflicting evidence, I'd call that citeable, but I'm not really good with IPA; could someone put that into the lede? --Baylink (talk) 13:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Meat Loaf on Celebrity Apprentice?
Is this to be put up? Y not math (talk) 05:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It does not seem particularly encyclopedic to me. Wikipeterproject (talk) 04:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Religion
Any information on his religion? 101.51.231.121 (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Hell in a Hand Basket
Possibly his album with this name is influenced by his quote "the world’s gone to hell in a handbasket." 66.233.156.4 (talk) 02:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Without a reliable citation, that would simply be speculation. Wikipeterproject (talk) 20:40, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Acting Career
It seems like there should be a true "Acting career" section on the page, like the page for Reba McEntire, rather than just an "In media" bulleted list. Meat Loaf's had several high profile acting gigs, including Rocky Horror Picture Show, Fight Club, and guest spots on House and Monk. While Rocky Horror does have a section in his music career, it seems it would be a better fit in an acting section. Derek Houck (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

"Bat out of Hell II" section restored
"Bat out of Hell II" is indisputably one of the greatest successes of Meat Loaf's career, so I was stunned to discover that this album was missing in the history section. A review of the article history revealed that the relevant text was deleted on July 26 2014 (edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meat_Loaf&diff=618613469&oldid=618580754), when it was replaced by a POV paragraph about Meat Loaf in Ireland. That paragraph was later excised by another editor, but Bat 2 was never restored, until now. EJSawyer (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Why is he called Meat Loaf?
I think the article could be much clearer on this point -- his name just changes without explanation early in the description of his career. --Killing Vector (talk) 20:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I have wondered this myself. I don't think anyone knows for sure. Meat Loaf himself tends to avoid the question and gives different explanations when he does answer it. I have read somewhere that it's most likely a childhood nickname originating from his father who sometimes called him "Meat" due to his large size for his age. All this is speculative without a reliable source, which is probably why it's not already mentioned in the article. Maybe you or someone can find something more definite and well sourced? -- Racer X11 Talk to me Stalk me  22:24, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I found a Yahoo! Music article about the origin of his name. It says a lot of what you mentioned above. It might be good to just add a section explaining the speculative nature of the origin, and Meat Loaf's constant evasions around it. Derek Houck (talk) 17:46, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with all of the above, Meat Loaf is a dumb name. I move that a significant portion of the page should be about how dumb his name is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.168.7.37 (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Sonnenberg = Sonenberg?
In the first paragraph of the section Life after Bat Out of Hell, someone named Sonnenberg is mentioned twice (in conjunction with the Dead Ringer film), without introduction or description. In the next section, Dead Ringer, David Sonenberg is introduced & described as a manager, who was also involved with writing/producing the film.

I assume the 2 are the same?

The whole page jumps around a lot, repeating things often, making it hard to keep track of editing, but all persons should be introduced, at first mention. Login54321 (talk) 13:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hoax of his death in April 2016
AAlthough we will all die, to date no credible reports; and dead or alive websites say he still lives on this May 1st. 00:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.193.8.98 (talk)

Meat Loaf - Double Tracked Vocals
Meat Loaf has stated numerous times on his fan club (http://mlukfc.com) that the sounds that were heard are double tracked vocals, and that he sings his entire shows live.

I have therefore updated his Wikipedia page to reflect more accurately what was heard in Edmonton on June 17th, 2016 after meat Loaf fainted.

Please do your homework before "undoing" my change.

Please message me if you need more proof. I would be happy to get you in touch with Meat Loaf's management team.

Matt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stretch37 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I am not searching a fan data base. Where is a specific example of the singer reporting that he uses a double tracked vocal? Your "change" was unsourced, so I was well within my rights to undo it. WWGB (talk) 00:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

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Place of birth
One spot says Ottawa, another Dallas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.225.133 (talk) 04:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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Meat Loaf → Meat Loaf (singer) – there's no way Michael Lee Aday is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Meat Loaf; moved to Meat Loaf (entertainer) per Madonna (entertainer) Prisencolin (talk) 00:49, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:DIFFCAPS. The dish is meatloaf with no space. Anyone capitalizing and spacing "Meat Loaf" almost undoubtedly means the musician. Similar to Ice Cube - although this one is even more obvious since the two names are different anyway. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:34, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose The dish is lower case "meat loaf," according to Merriam-Webster. The main purpose of a title is to tell the reader the name of the subject. It follows that the closer to the actual name it is, the better. Just because Madonna's article has some ridiculous Wikipediaese in the title is no reason to mistitle this one as well. Gulangyu (talk) 05:23, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose, "Meat Loaf" is a proper name of a well-known person, similar, as mentioned, to "Ice Cube" and others. Randy Kryn 11:32, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support – a single-letter case difference does not make a good primarytopic argument. Dicklyon (talk) 21:02, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Anybody know exactly when WP:DIFFCAPS was added to WP:AT? I don't remember seeing that section the last time I read through it.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:32, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's been there for years. PC78 (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. See Madonna. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per DIFFCAPS.  <font color="#4863A0">Calidum <font color="#A18648">¤   03:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per WP:DIFFCAPS.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 17:00, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Even "Meat Loaf" as two words usually refers to the dish. If you lookup meat loaf on google, it will show primarily results for this guy, but googles search algorithm is programmed to promote musicians, actors and other pop culture icons. Searches for books only show one result for the singer, and it's his autobiography.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Even when people search "meat loaf", they mean the musician. Look at these pageview stats: Whenever the singer's pageviews surge, lowercase "meat loaf" does too - see June 17's hits, the day Meat Loaf was in the news following his stage collapse. Google Books just plop whatever they can find right in front of you, it's not a fantastic way to determine primary topic. No one would argue that the composer John Williams isn't the primary topic for his name, but Google Books just dumps tons of random John Wililams before you can find the composer, simply because they have nothing in place to determine what readers are looking for. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:30, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to underline Nohomersryan's point: The web search engine is Google's premier product. Its algorithm is being tweaked continuously to put the most relevant results on the first page. The search history database for GBooks is much smaller and its algorithm is not nearly as sophisticated. The search algorithm is clearly title oriented. Almost all the hits for "meat loaf" are books with this phrase in the title. Gulangyu (talk) 00:12, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC/WP:NOT. The singer is the primary topic irrespective of the capitalization issues.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a cookbook or a compendium of Google search trends.  — <span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><font face="Georgia"> AjaxSmack  03:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I would move anything for love, but I won't move that per the above.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 12:52, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:DIFFCAPS, WP:DICDEF. No one sane capitalizes the names of common nouns, including food items, in English. "I don't like Peas with my Carrots, unless They have lots of Butter and Salt on Them." Um, no.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  19:31, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It should also be noted that in addition to opening this RM, Prisencolin changed the long-standing Meat loaf redirect to point to Meatloaf instead. I do not agree with this change, as the pageview evidence above supports that people use Meat loaf to get to Meat Loaf's article. To anyone interested, we have a discussion going is at Talk:Meat loaf. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


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Infobox musical artist vs. person
Aday is a musical artist, if infobox "person" allows more parameters then embed it towards the bottom, but musical artist should be first. Mlpearc Phone ( open channel ) 15:21, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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Sausage Party
I removed the credit to Sausage Party. Neither his bio nor the movie credits him as an actor in any way. They paid a royalty to use his song but he isn't credited. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 18:27, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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"Initial difficulty"
This line in the intro makes no sense: "After the commercial success of Bat Out of Hell and Bat Out of Hell II: Back Into Hell and earning a Grammy Award for Best Solo Rock Vocal Performance for the song "I'd Do Anything for Love", Meat Loaf experienced some initial difficulty establishing a steady career within the United States." Given the sixteen year space between those albums, there is no way that one can have initial difficulty after that. I'd correct it, but I have no idea what someone is trying to say here. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:19, 1 August 2018 (UTC)