Talk:Meat analogue/Archive 1

Comment 1
Um, as far as I can tell, Green Giant does not produce meat analogues of any kind. They sell canned vegetables, which I suppose could be seen as a meat substitute, but that's it. Their packaged dinners have chicken in them. Does anyone else have evidence to the contrary? Does the chicken fall under the category of "Surimi"? Grammar nazi 06:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Meatless foods and lactose intolerance
"The market for meatless foods includes ... lactose-intolerant people"

I am unable to think of any connection between Lactose intolerance and meat vs. meatless products. AFAIK, meat doesn't contain lactose (at least not in any appreciable quantities) and need not be avoided on grounds of lactose intolerance. Right? -- Writtenonsand 22:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree and I removed it. Perhaps the original author meant milk substitutes like soy-milk. But that is not the scope of this article. Jdufresne 00:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Veat (and other 'V' names)
Meat analogue is an outdated term no longer used. This page needs to be renamed for clarity. Vegan meat, plant-based meat or alternative meat are the common usage terms. Fake meat is used in a derogatory fashion. Examples of current usage: NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/business/the-new-makers-of-plant-based-meat-big-meat-companies.html  LAT: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-07/tasty-burger-without-a-supersized-side-of-guilt  Vox: https://www.vox.com/2019/5/28/18626859/meatless-meat-explained-vegan-impossible-burger

"The most used term in English for meat analogues is 'fake meat'..."

Is there any source on this? This part of the article goes on to rank the popularity of the various names (including "veat") used to describe meat analogues, and it seems unliekly that such information could be considered valid, or be obtained at all, without some sort of survey. This survey should in turn be cited as a reference. --Mr.aluminumsiding 21:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

"One firm attempted to trademark the pre-existing term 'veat,' but may now be out of business."

Actually, they appear to be in business, though there was no indication from their website as to whether or not the word "veat" had been successfully registered as a trademark. --Mr.aluminumsiding 21:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

"There appears to be little or no non-commercial use of the termsː 'vam' (vegetarian ham), 'veef' (vegetarian beef), 'valmon' (vegetarian salmon), 'vausage' (veggie sausage), 'vicken' and 'vurkey.' In the case of venison a vegetarian alternative is allegedly called 'v'venison' (pronounced viv- ven'is on), and goat is 'voat'."

This hardly seems worth mentioning in such detail; particularly the term "vvension," which fails the test of basic skepticism, not mention a quick Googling. Howoever, as I am not a strict vegetarian, I put the question out there to those who are: are any of the above terms used or useful? --Mr.aluminumsiding 21:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard any of those terms. Really no point in mentioning them. isblueacolor 21:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, I just got rid of that whole section. It seems totally pointless, there's no citation for these "statistics," and the grammar reeks. isblueacolor 22:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Meat substitutes from algae
I also heard that meat substitutes can also be made from algae (the company Valess reportedly makes these products).

See Valess website Perhaps it can be included in the article.

Thanks. KVDP (talk) 09:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Dislike by some vegetarians
Maybe it's worth mentioning that some vegetarians/vegans explicitly don't like meat analogues? Lots of veggies I know just eat vegetables, fruits, grains, legumes, nuts etc. and don't bother with imitation meat. 88.211.132.72 (talk) 20:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also I meant to say that lots of these meat analogues are not regularly bought by long-time vegetarians or vegans, but rather by people experimenting with vegetarian meals or people having veggies over for dinner. Most people who've been vegetarian for a while step away from the meat-centered dinners in most of Western cuisine and therefore don't really need meat anymore. 88.211.132.72 (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno, I love fake meat, especially fake breakfast meats TrevorLSciAct (talk) 02:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not true, I've been a vegetarian for seven years and I enjoy fake meat. Especially fake hot dogs, mmm.--71.74.89.197 (talk) 17:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The thing that is notable (and maybe it is notable) is that for any person unfamiliar to fake meats they may be surprised how indistinguishable some are and if the taste of meat is not something you appreciate, the area of fake meat is probably not your thing. Some "fake meat" is just lumps of corn but a lot of it is highly skilled imitation. Although I say that stuff I use soya milk myself and never really confused it with cows milk but the fake meats are more difficult. My soya milk makes the tea or the coffee. ~ R . T . G  09:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

re: Surimi and similar meat-based meat analogues
There are no references for this section. As well, it talks about using fish slurry to mimic sea food which generally isn't considered meat. I think that this refers more to a cheap ingredient that is widely used instead of more expensive ones. The whole section has little to do with the article - I think it should be removed. Bob98133 (talk) 01:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Your assertion that seafood is not widely considered meat is not supported by most dictionaries: Samuel Johnson's 1768 Dictionary: http://books.google.com/books?id=03Q7AAAAcAAJ&pg=PT557&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0SfL_j2ZpaeDYL9SPr3mLwaDU57w&ci=483%2C336%2C439%2C53&edge=0 Princeton's WordNet http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=meat Elwin-bennington (talk) 22:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
There is a picture in the article of veggie burgers with cheddar cheese on it. Maybe it's better to get the picture out of the article. It might give a wrong idea about being a vegetarian, because most vegetarians don't eat cheese as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.82.41.132 (talk) 16:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ?? Vegetarians aren't veganists, explaination doesn't make sense
 * A good deal of India is vegetarian, their food is filled with paneer, milk, and cream. They're clearly vegetarian.  Even the Jains eat milk products.

Lupin
Perhaps lupin seeds should be mentioned as a basis for a meat analogue; see http://www.fraunhofer.de/en/press/research-news/2010-2011/13/low-fat-lupin-proteins.jsp

91.182.104.126 (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2011 (UTC)