Talk:Mecelle

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Comments regarding ethnicity of translators and name of Istanbul
Hi! Re: this edit

I have two points of clarification:
 * 1. Ottoman society was based on religious and ethnic identity. Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, etc. had their own languages and societies, and this was the basis of the millet system. While the "Levantine" Roman Catholic religious group was much smaller, they did have their own millet too, with their own laws. In regards to Ottoman and post-Ottoman societies (like Lebanon) I feel ethnic identity is highly important.
 * 2. The entire city of Istanbul did not have the name Constantinople yet. From :
 * Edhem, Eldem. "Istanbul." In: Ágoston, Gábor and Bruce Alan Masters. Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire. Infobase Publishing, 21 May 2010. ISBN 1438110251, 9781438110257. Start and CITED: p. 286.
 * "Originally, the name Istanbul referred only to to the walled city and excluded all suburbs (including Galata, Üsküdar, Eyüp)."
 * In Ottoman times, in Turkish the name "Istanbul" was in use for the walled city, while in Western languages that was rendered as "Stamboul". The Ottomans used Konstantiniyye or other names for the whole city, and in Western languages "Constantinople" was used.
 * I notice the Ottoman Turkish version of the Ottoman Constitution of 1876 does use Istanbul while the French/Greek/English/etc versions use Constantinople. But Edhem states that "Istanbul" only applied to the entire city after the Turkish nationalist government was established in 1923, and in 1930 the government asked foreign embassies and companies to stop using "Constantinople". On TRwiki I would start using Istanbul after 1923, and on FRwiki/ENwiki/etc after 1930.
 * I am aware a lot of modern works do intentionally use "Istanbul" instead of Constantinople when discussing the Ottoman city. Edhem states on the same page that currently Turkish academia discourages the use of Constantinople in an Ottoman context (Edhem points out this is so even though "Constantinople" in that context is historically accurate). I assume this contributes to the usage of Istanbul in such modern works.

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)