Talk:Meerkat Manor/Archive 2

Season 1
I re-looked on the show on Season 1, and it said Tosca AND Mozart gave birth to 4 pups. Please post some names. I thought of Mason and Redneck.Mitchlover11 17:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I know Mozart had Sparkle, Spud, and Sophie. her other one, I don't know. Tosca had Jogu and McMurphy, I dont know the other two. I'll try to go find them. Mattkenn2 18:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

No its, Mozart, Sparkle, Sophie, Spud, Rufus, and Tosca, Jogu, Mc.Murphy and Lina Isabella 15:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC) Meerkat manor 2

Proof would be nice Cruise meerkat 23:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Besides, Rufus is a meerkat named very recently. I have proof of that. It is not Mozart's. Cruise meerkat 01:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Vivian / Commandoes
I thought that the Vivian are the Vivian and the Commandoes are the Commandoes, two distinct groups. What eidence is there that they are two names for one group? See Meerkat Manor. Anthony Appleyard 22:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

heres how it goes, Commandos not Commandoes, Commandos are split of from Vivian, and havnt been back together for 1 year, so they are now enimy gangs, thx, Isabella 15:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC) meerkat manor 2

Commandos are their own group, formed in 2004. Vivian are the Commandoes on the show, as Jim Bob("Hannibal") is the only one eyed dominant male. Cruise meerkat 00:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Starkies
Yes they are real look at my page MeerkatManorMoreInfo 23:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

yes the Stakies are real Isabella 15:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

No they are not real Cruise meerkat 23:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC) Yes they ar they are on wiki and KMP, sorry- MMMI

No they aren't. There is no mob called Starkies. It is the Starsky. Cruise meerkat 01:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Mary-Pat
Mary-Pat is not in the Gattaca. The KMP gallery shows the native mob, and Mary-Pat and her sisters Zorilla and Klinky formed the Commandos. So she is a member of the Commandoes(Starkies in season 3) Cruise meerkat 14:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

No cruise your wrong, Mary-Pat is in the Gattaca and is not in the Stakies in Whiskers and Gattaca, Her sisters are Zorilla, Klinky and Ketamine yes, but she's in the gattaca Isabella 15:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC) meerkat manor 2

Ketamine is Zorilla's daughter, and Mary-Pat formed the Commandoes with her sisters Zorilla and Klinky. I will give you proof in a second. -Cruise_meerkat not logged in

ohhh sorry but i just foung it out... MaryPat is in 3 clans, Commandos, Gattaca, and Whiskers!!!!!!!!!! Isabella 02:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Gattaca is her native mob. KMP lists them. Zaphod is in the Whiskers yet they say he's in the Vivian, if you need proof of that. Marypat Whiskers is not really Marypat Whiskers, she has a real name. Marypat is her stage name. Cruise meerkat 00:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC) I know, what is her real nme

She never had a real name. She died very early on. She had a number, though. I am unsure of what the number is, I might be able to pinpoint it. Cruise meerkat 01:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC) Yes i know, so what is her real name u said u knew it? i am clumbsy i thaught u said Mango - Mango_Kat

Haha, Mango's real name is Bananas and I share her birthday. Just had to say that. 'Marypat' Whiskers never had a name. She died early on. Her number was VWF082. Cruise meerkat 02:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Season 3, Episode 1?!
So....the season 3 episode 1...On Dangerous Ground...can someone verify this info? I would suspect the Starkies(Commandoes in KMP) would be introduced, because they were talked about a lot. Yes, I did see the sneak peek, but I don't see anywhere where it says anything about the Zappa or the title. -Cruise_meerkat not logged in

What about the Zappa Lola leads fine, the Stakies are real and are mentioned meerkat manor 2

Never mind, I found the episode on AP, the Whiskers and Zappa fight and Flower's pups go missing. The Starkies are not in MM2, they will be a new group(The Commandos are the KMP name) shown in season 3. -Cruise_meerkat not logged in

Catch Up Please!!
i haven't been on the computer for a month, and could someone please catch me up on Season 3. i read earlier info, but don't know if true or not. MITCHLOVER11---not signed in

Discussion =
I think we should delete discussion topics that aren't needed. ((((mitchlover11)))-not signed in

KMP

 * i'm starting to think KMP is wrong. The numbers on the groups haven't changed. I would think the groups would have pups unless the drought is that bad.Mitchlover11 00:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * hey Mitch i change the #'s and i have also noticed and oh ummmm guys EINSTEIN IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 meerkat manor 2
 * KMP only updates every so often, and there haven't been updates in a long time. -Cruise_meerkat not logged in. 01:39, 11 July 2007 User:70.216.156.89

hey
hello everyone, my account got deleted again for some reason and now i'm Mattkenn4. I'm the same person as mattkenn, mattkenn2, and mattkenn3, but now i'm mattkenn4 Mattkenn4 22:00, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it, I'm mattkenn3 again. I should stay this way for a while. Mattkenn3 01:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Third Season
Who keeps deleting the Third Season Info? This is meerkat manor, and the info has a proven source and should not be deleted. Please DO NOT DELETE!!Mitchlover11 19:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur the material should not be deleted unless contradictory information can be found. I have restored it.  --TeaDrinker 21:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Season 3 Episodes
http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/meerkat/episode/season3.html Cruise meerkat 02:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Flower x Youssarian
DO NOT EDIT ANY OF THIS INFO! A lot of my stuff us edited, these are the litters of Flower and Youssarian:

1. Big Will(only survivor)

2. Tosca(few others)

3. (most likely FxY but may be FxZ)Shakespeare, Mozart, Einstein(roved to Young Ones), Freud(died)

Daisy may also be in one of these, but her mother is most likely Tosca(she had a litter before the show)

Once again, do not edit any of this. Cruise meerkat 22:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I have been watching Seasons 1 and 2, and that info is probably true except Daisy. When Mozart was preganet, the narrator stated that tempers were running high between and Mozart and her sister Daisy. Most likely, Daisy is in one of the last litters fathered by Yousarrian. I've also noticed that they stated Flower has been preganet 15 times, but this was before she had Milly,Shelly, and Bing. So all together in her life she has been preganet 19 times.Mitchlover11 18:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Remember, you can never trust MM. Look at what they did with "Shakespeare". It was not him in the burrow, fighting with the Lazuli. ~Cruise_meerkat not logged in

Well i'm pretty sure this is true. They probably count all th number pregancy's each female has at KMP.Mitchlover11 20:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but you can go to the AP forums and pronker or ccatz or maybe nikitacommando1 will answer your question. Or perhaps someone else. But somehow everyone has been convinced that Daisy is Tosca's daughter. Cruise meerkat 01:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't beleive what everyone says. They are not one of the people who work on ap or kmp. Right now we have to go on the info ap and kmp give us. Those people probably don't really know. They just are trying to make something up. BTW, do you have a account on the ap forums? I do it's mitchlover11, but it haven't gone one for a a while.Mitchlover11 17:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Pronker is the most informative person I know. She hasn't lied yet(I've been able to prove some of the stuff). And yes, I do. If you see some of my posts its fairly easy to figure out, but I don't want to give myself away. Cruise meerkat 21:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Flower's Children
I have found out that Flower has been preganet 19 times in her life. I will list 19 lines in this topic and PLEASE ONLY FILL IN THE BLANKS IF YOUR INFO IS KNOWN!!

1.) Big Will, Itchy, Scratchy, Thelma, Louise, Daisy(not the one of MM) and Skinner

2.) Tosca, unknown other

3.) Mozart, Shakespeare, Freud, Einstein

4.) Kinkajou, Rocket Dog, Super Furry

5.) Pooky, Kooky

6.) Monkulus, Pozzo, Zarathustra

7.) Mitch, Cruise, Hawkeye, Logan

8.) Machu Pichu, Ningaloo, Petra, unnamed deceased pup(known as Marypat on Meerkat Manor)

9.) Flo, Finn, Colombus and Basil(latter are dead or missing)

10.) Butch Cassidy, Alonzo Mourning, Bananas, Orinoco

11.) Blossom(deceased), Apollo(dead or missing), Wileykat, Cheetara, Panthro

12.) Billy, Miles, Baker, Ella

13.) Busta, Suggs, Izzy

14.) Rhogan Josh, Squig

15.) Rufus(died), Murray, Amira, Burdock

16.)

17.)

18.)

19.)

Mitchlover11 18:50, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I helped a bit, of course using stage names. I had a breakthrough last night when I was in bed last night when I figured out Kinkajou and Pooky's litter placement. Cruise meerkat 20:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I found out Big Will's siblings...surprised there are so many...link to the proof: http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=6941912904&f=2381948938&m=8851924119&r=6361946119#6361946119 : the post by "pronker" ~Cruise_meerkat not signed in

Have complete name list from KMP and it lists birthdays as well. I figured out stage names also. Flower apparently had only 15 litters, according to official data. Cruise meerkat 03:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey
i re-did my user page. Can people look at it!!! Please!!Mitchlover11 22:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Lazuli
Have the Lazuli really gone missing??? Their name isn't on the list of meerakat group at ap. Do you think they died or left the area?Mitchlover11 17:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I think they'll be featured minorly throughout season 3. Cruise meerkat 19:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Starkies??
okay. what is the real name of the new group starkies?????? Wasn't it Commandos, but it says the dominant female is from the Gattaca? I'm getting really confused by the number of groups and all of the new info coming out!!Mitchlover11 17:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

There was something about a letter. Apparently Starkies was a typo, and it is Starsky. The "Starkies" were said to be a new group, and the real Commandoes were the newest group we knew at that time. Cruise meerkat 19:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

MM INfo Outlet
Hey, its Cruise_meerkat here on his new account. Any info he finds, he will post on this account's userpage. Meerkat Manor Correctly 03:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler Tag and Full episode 1 video
People, stop removing the spoiler tag from the page. It has spoilers until the season finished showing. Also, here's a full episode 1 video from Discovery. Download it and press MM: http://video.discovery.com Meerkat Manor Correctly 15:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This just isn't right. I've seen Meerkat Manor in the UK so I know it's a nature documentary, despite the soap-like style of presentation. We only put spoiler tags on works of fiction, and then only rarely.   --Tony Sidaway 16:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, someone was complaining because this article had spoilers in it and it said that if we are going to put spoilers in the article, then we should have a spoiler tag. Its just logic to me, I don't see why you would only put it on fiction. Cruise meerkat 21:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * How can you describe documentary content as a spoiler? Are we going to require a spoiler tag on a documentary about a World War II battle, in case there are people who will be offended to learn who wins the battle?  --Tony Sidaway 23:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler tags just don't make any sense for non-fiction documentary content. If someone doesn't want to know how it ends, they shouldn't be reading the article, which is expected to contain details. Like Tony says, would you expect to see spoilers on other non-fiction content? Should we have a spoiler on WWII articles for people who don't yet know that Hitler kills himself in the end? Or how about a spoiler on the Iraq War for people who don't want to be "spoiled" about how it doesn't up going too well? -- Cyde Weys 00:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

ww2 has already happened. the deal with meerkats season three has already happened but most people dont know how it happened and dont want to know.my mom didnt think this article would have spoilers for the new season.if its a tv show thats like a soap opera and you dont know what comes next and the suspense is the largest part,you dont want it spoiled..we need the spoiler template.67.185.182.69 18:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, what spoilers? I've watched a good few episodes of this program. It's clearly a documentary about real meerkats, not a drama. --Tony Sidaway 19:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, you need to Ignore all rules. Clarityfiend 19:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

saying that meerkat manor cant have spoilers because its real is like saying that a movie cant have spoilers because its already hit theaters.look,having, the spoiler template cant hurt-if you dont like it ignore it.im putting it back up.see,even though meerkat manor is non-fiction,it is a soap opera too,and soap opera plot details can be considered spoilers.67.185.182.69 21:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

This is common sense, people. Season 3 has not been shown anywhere and there is info I put up about season 3. It should have spoiloer tags because, well, it just makes no sense not to! Cruise meerkat 17:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There is information about season three because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and Meerkat Manor is a nature documentary. To put a "spoiler" tag on this article is to suggest that there is something unusual and unexpected about an encyclopedia presenting facts about a documentary in an article about that documentary. This is not a fan site, a forum or a blog. Do no treat it like one. --Tony Sidaway 22:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

most people dont expect spoilers because they dont expect that people already know whats happned in season three,kind of like just before harry potter 7 was realesed-no one thought anyone knew spoilers but people did.i think we should have the spoiler tag because meerkat manor is a soap opera,too.its not just a documentary-its a soap opera.you can just ignore the spoiler tag also.67.185.182.69 22:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC) i think we should take this to the mediation commitee.they can decide what should be done with the spoiler tag.67.185.182.69 22:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Meerkat Manor is not a soap opera itself, its like a soap opera. It is not a documentary, its like one. It has fictional(well, more towards false) parts(ex. Shakespeare wasn't the babysitter in the Lazuli attack). Also, there are some parts not even mentioned on the show, such as a meerkat resembling Shakespeare being seen outside the reserve. You can't just see a few episodes to judge this show, its very complicated. You have to know it inside and out, which I do(or try as hard as I can to do). Cruise meerkat 01:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This is not Harry Potter. It's a series of documentaries about real meerkats. These aren't actors.  In that there's a script, it doesn't involve meerkats being "written out" or conveniently killed off as might be done in a soap opera.  If a meerkat dies in Meerkat Manor it dies in real life, not as some gimmick to increase audience share.


 * 67.185.182.69 suggests taking this to the mediation committee. Fine but don't go thinking that "they can decide what should be done with the spoiler tag."  They cannot do that.


 * Cruise meerkat claims that the show is fictionalized to the extent of Meerkats being misrepresented. If so, and it's verifiable, write about this.   Don't hide it behind spoiler tags. Write about the fictionalization, don't try to maintain the illusion.  This is an encyclopedia.  It is not the task of an encyclopedia to maintain the suspension of disbelief in a work that is ostensibly a documentary.  --Tony Sidaway 01:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

i know that that isnt what wikipedia is about.think of it this way:is we had info about,for example, the new season of deadliest catch would we put the spoiler template?or would we not,just because it has real events?

you may not agree,but just for good measure,just to be sure,lets leave the spoiler page up,just until frifay at 8:30 pm new york time,ok?then we can take it down,just leave it till friday..67.185.182.69 02:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

how about this:how about we put the spoiler template just at the charecters section,because no one expects plot details there..everywhere else there are spoilers,it will say something about it being in season three.but in the charecters section it just sort of has plot details from season 3 mixed in.so can we just have the spoiler template there?67.185.182.69 03:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Clarityfiend, very much. Does this really affect the article? Maybe it's about time to stop arguing and start improving it. I've seen every episode of this show and it is a nature documentary, just written in a very clever and simple fashion. I'm not sure about the spoiler tag. It's just one person too keen on one policy or another person too keen on another policy. Thekittybomb 03:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Very few articles in Wikipedia carry a spoiler tag. The guideline tells us that a warning may be used if there are significant plot revelations in unexpected places. I can't see how a documentary can have significant plot revelations, so the guideline does not support the use of a spoiler warning. Kusma (talk) 09:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

yes.67.185.182.69 04:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In answer to 67.185.182.69, question, and just in case there is any doubt, of course we wouldn't have a spoiler warning on an article about the latest season of deadliest catch. That would be ridiculous.  If some viewers treat these things as soap operas with some kind of plot that can have "spoilers", that's a problem they have inflicted upon themselves and something they themselves will have to resolve. It should have no effect on how we write a ''neutral article. --Tony Sidaway 09:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

from THIS VERY ARTICLE:Although the show has elements of a documentary, and is based on actual events, the narrative is presented in a style similar to a soap opera.67.185.182.69 03:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps that is the basis of the problem. It appears to me that we are mistakenly encouraging people, by our loose language, to view this program as some kind of soap opera.   It is not, any more than "Big Brother", "Survivor" or any other non-fiction show is a soap opera. --Tony Sidaway 04:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing how this is the reason no one can edit it, I say the spoiler tag does not belong. This is a nature documentary first and foremost and the spoiler tag is very rarely used on Wikipedia, even on articles about completely fictional things.  A spoiler tag should only contain spoilers for things in unexpected places anyways, if you are reading an episode or character guide, it is assumed to want things known anyways.   Also note that these animals are real, when they die on the show they die in real life, making the concept of a spoiler tag even more ridiculous.  I suggest people stop edit warring over such trivial matters as you are preventing all of us from being able to contribute without bothering an administrator.  Sabar Cont 10:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Why was the episode guide deleted?
Why was the episode guide deleted? I look here whenever I forget something about the show, and now it's gone? Who deleted it? 63.24.111.163 20:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Article protected
... due to edit-warring. A request has been placed to have the article protected as there has been intense edit-warring, largely over the inclusion of the spoiler tag. A number of editors have exceeded their 3RR limit and have been final-warned. Time to discuss the matter here and reach some sort of consensus. When you're ready, either leave me a message or submit a request at WP:RPP. Thanks - A l is o n  ☺ 04:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Spelling correction
request

Under the paragraph for the Commandos, there is a spelling typo in the third sentence of the first paragraph: They are a feirce bunch... Whoever wrote this obviously forgot the "I before E except after C" rule; it should be "They are a fierce bunch..."
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Einstein's Real Name
Einstein's real name is Logan. I have proof, but I am not at liberty to say it in public. If you can somehow get in touch with me in private, I will give it to you. Cruise meerkat 01:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * They're just tags given to meerkats by non-meerkats. If Meerkats give one another names, it's unlikely that they would be like human names such as "Einstein" or "Logan".  --Tony Sidaway 01:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Humans at the Kalahari Meerkat Project give them names. Animal Planet usually changes them for Meerkat Manor. Cruise meerkat 01:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, its quite important we know the real names. Since we won't refer to them with their numbers(ex. VCDM001 for Ketamine), we have to know their names. Cruise meerkat 01:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's nice if we can know the names by which meerkats are known by various projects. I still get a distinct impression, however, that there are some people editing this article who want to turn it into some kind of soap opera.  The important thing about this article isn't the meerkats themselves but the production of a television program about them.  That's what this particular article is about. --Tony Sidaway 02:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't even know the meaning of soap opera, despite my genius in school and meerkats themselves, I have no common sense and I'm usually left dumbfounded in common phrases. I try to give proper info on the meerkats. I've found a stable, updated-often, trustwirthy site to get info from. I will be more easily able to info. However, my digging has led me to continuous tears yesterday. Cruise meerkat 02:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Bad and Good News
Youssarian is either dead or roved off KRR. Cazanna died of TB. New dominants for the Lazuli are Aretha and her brother Padloper. Dominants for the Whiskers are Rocket Dog and Zarathustra, who will pribably be renamed because he has a long and confusing name. These are also some of the weirdest names I've heard at KMP, Annieannieannie and Hindu Floaty Thing. Cruise meerkat 02:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you produce a reliable source for this? --Tony Sidaway 02:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I can. I am not at liberty to say it in public. You will have to visit...Hmm...I will have to give it you in private somehow. Any suggestions and let me know. I have a forum that you could join and I could send a message to you, but I don't think advertising is allowed here. Cruise meerkat 02:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The only reason I ask the question is because this page is intended for discussing how we are to write the article. If we have verifiable information about some of the meerkats featured we should put it into the article. If it's of the kind that you are "not at liberty to say it in public" then it obviously isn't verifiable. So it's not a good idea to disclose this information here, firstly because we cannot use it to write the article and secondly (but not least of all) because the people who give access to this secret source probably won't be too pleased if it's leaded here. --Tony Sidaway 02:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I suppose I can say it. At first, the main site was supposed to be secret, sort of. I guess now that they have discovered many fans relying on KMP site, they made an updated one for the meerkats and a seperate for research and such http://friends.kalahari-meerkats.com Cruise meerkat 02:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for writing what you did about the spoilers. I was innocently reading the Wikipedia page about Meerkat Manor, because I love the show. I had no clue there would be spoilers in the article, and I read something I didn't want to read at all. I stopped reading immediately, but now am spoiled. It doesn't matter whether it is fiction or not, or a documentary or not. The things being discussed haven't aired yet, thus they should have a spoiler warning for those of us who don't want to be spoiled. I never would've dreamed a Wikipedia article would've had spoilers. I am actually pretty upset right now because of reading what I did.

De la Soul's Mother
De la Soul's mother is Tosca. She had another litter besides the one on MM. The date matches De la Soul's birth. De la Soul is too young to be Daisy. Cruise meerkat 02:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

De La Soul is Tosca and some how Houdini's. But Mozart is Tosca's sister and the daisy that flower gave birth to is Tosca's mom, and the REAL daisy is Tosca's pup very cunfuzzled- Meerkat manor More info

De la Soul is MUCH too young to be Tosca. Houdini is a stage name. Mozart is not Tosca's littermate, but both are probably fathered by Youssarian. Can you verify, give a trustable site with proof, of the whole thing? Flower gave birth to Tosca, that's proven. Daisy is apparently missing, her last hope is that in the past two seasons she was stagenamed as Daisy and was really Rocket Dog. Cruise meerkat 02:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Scope of this article
This article is poorly tailored. Discussions of events that have not yet aired or may never air are beyond the scope of this article. The information presented here should focus on the series. Events beyond the body of work (i.e. the series, "Meerkat Manor") are irrelevant here. True or not, Flower's death should not be presented here, as the episodes aired thus far have not addressed it. Nor should information about unfeatured meerkats or meerkat families make it into this article.

Though the Kalahari Meerkat Project has a web page that offers more and newer information than does the series, the project exists seperate from the show. Those adding or editing this article must be careful to make the disctinction between the two. 24.174.134.24 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)Sean

Clarification of previous comments and further suggestions
I know everyone here is attempting to provide the freshest and best information possible about the Kalahari meerkats featured in "Meerkat Manor." Still, "Meerkat Manor" is a show. As such, it is different from the Kalahari Meerkat Project (KMP). In an encyclopedic article about Shakespeare's drama "Julius Casar," it would be inappropriate to discuss what happened to the historic Mark Antony after the curtain drops. For the same reason, this article should only concern itself with information and events portrayed thus far in the show, "Meerkat Manor." If information comes from a source outside of already-aired episodes of "Meerkat Manor," then it does not belong here. The aired episodes of "Meerkat Manor" should be the only source of information for this article. There is already an article about the KMP. Much of the information presented in the "Meerkat Manor" article belongs there. Indeed, some of it should be discarded altogether, as word of mouth and uncited sources can never serve as a source for an article. I think these suggestions will help simplify the process of refining this article. It will also reduce the need for spoiler warnings, since un-aired material will no longer be present. But please, let me know what you think. Thanks, 24.174.134.24 20:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)Sean

Wikipedia's value as an on-line encyclopedia is compromised by inaccuracy. It is better to include less information than incorrect information. It is not a site to discuss Meerkat Manor, it is a site to present accurate information on the television program. The Kalahari Meerket Project's research forms the basis for the show, but it should be a separate entry. Those seeking to present wider information (such as all the Meerkat groups in the study, variations on names between MM and KMP, etc) should be presenting it there. One of the whole advantages of hyper-linking is to avoid excess duplication of effort wile still having the information accessible.

Rumors are fine for discussion boards, but unless you are applying journalistic standards for accuracy, confirmation, and reliablity of the source, presenting rumors here is inappropriate. Relying solely on internet sources is notoriously dodgy. In general I agree with Sean's analysis: while the enthusiam is commendable, it would be adviseable to limit the information here to solid, confirmable, reliable sources. Two-Tonic Knight 01:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a solid, confirmable, reliable source. Cruise meerkat 02:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that only reliable information should be included in the article (this is site policy). However information given in official press releases, official previews and the like should also be included.  Rumors should definitely not.


 * One possibility is for instance that either the Kalahari Meerkat Project or Animal Planet might at one time of another explicity identify a meerkat or group of meerkats. If this happens and either the Project or the TV company makes information about that meerkat officially available then that information may be included in this article.  This really only applies to meerkats that have been featured in a major strand of the program. For instance the death of Flower, the dominant female of the Whiskers (known by the same name to the Project and the viewers of Meerkat Manor) should obviously be covered because it is of major importance, even though most viewers may not have seen this death covered in an episode of the program.


 * Meerkat Manor, for all its narrative trappings, is not a mere "show". It is not a play about Meerkats or a play starring meerkats.  It is a documentary about meerkats.  Significant information about the making of the documentary, including information to be covered by the documentary in as-yet unaired episodes, where it comes from reliable sources, belongs in this artice. --Tony Sidaway 02:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Carlos!
Proof Carlos is not one meerkat: http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2381948938/m/8581931458 ~Da Cruise Cruise meerkat 02:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

On Dangerous Ground
There is alot of things that confused me during this episode.

1.) Jogu and Sophie as brother and sister

2.) Sophie and Izzy as sisters.Mitchlover11 16:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

AP is all mixed up. Sophie is still Mozart's. Jogu will always be Tosca's. And Izzy will never change from Flower's. Cruise meerkat 22:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Einstein's Alive
How do I know? On the list of meerkats alive as pof January 1st 2007, there are 4 meerkats born on the same day. Names?:

Mitch(male)

Cruise(female)

Logan(male)

Hawkeye(female)

Meerkat pups don't have fully developed "male and female parts" so we know Mitch is male, as we've seen him as adult/teenager. We've seen Einstein, too, and I'm sure if you look closely when he was plotting to steal the eggs, you can see his "male parts". We know Cruise is female, we've seen her as a teenager/juvenile, but we never saw Rocky other than when she was a pup. So that means she is Hawkeye. And Mitch is Mitch, Cruise is Cruise, and Logan is Einstein, who is alive. Someone keeps adding that Einstein has died of starvation, but this fact proves he is still alive. Cruise meerkat 22:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting tired of hearing all of this Einstein is dead. I was really bored and i started this rumor, and somehow people beilived it. I'm really sorry about all of this. Please forgive me.Mitchlover11 00:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

No prob. Just remember not to start any rumors, although I created a site where you can post rumors. But its stated that the rumors aren't true. 70.196.62.237 00:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Archive
This talk page is long overdue for archiving, moving resolved topics onto an archived page here: /Archive 1. Also note that talk pages are a place to discuss improvements to the article, keep in mind WP:CBALL + WP:TALK and stay on topic. Random discussion about the show belongs on another forum, not on this talk page. If you want to discuss the show with fellow wiki users, utilize instant messaging, e-mail, or a forum. Sabar Cont 06:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Observation...
I noticed that it wasn't Mitch that went on a mission to get the Whiskers. I noticed his markings as a pup and memorized them, when the Whiskers were moving, in the middle of the ep when "Mitch" was still looking, I saw a male meerkat with his markings. Once again, AP has switched and lied to us. I have no idea who it was, but it wasn't Mitch. Before you say anything about they dye the meerkats, they dye them the same markings when they re-dye them. They don't change. Cruise meerkat 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

That was a rover. I think it was flava Flav.- Mango_kat

It could have been... Cruise meerkat 05:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Flava Flav is umm well mainly i think ALL the meerkats that are said to be "looking" for families. Mango_kat

Yousarrian's Scar
I searched his name on google, and one of the articles said that his scar is not from a bird of prey. It's from Zaphod!! Poor Yousarrian!Mitchlover11 04:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC) Mitch, they said they THINK its from a bird of prey and i know its from, the plovers. Remember in season 1 he had no scar and after he was dive bombed by plovers his eye was red, well its my thaught.- Mango_Kat

No, AP is trying to make it dramatic for Youssy. He really did get his scar from Zaphod, and he had his scar in season 1. Cruise meerkat 06:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I sorry. I thaught cuz it looked like it sorrry.... Mango kat  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.90 (talk) 00:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

New pup Rufus
Sad to say, but newly born Rufus from the Whiskers has died. Another death!Mitchlover11 04:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Season 2 Re-Cap Special
On ap, they had a episode called Season 2 Re-Cap Special. Should the episodes for Season 2 include this?Mitchlover11 04:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If it is a full episode then it belongs in the season that it aired. Sabar Cont 10:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes it was a full epiosode. -Mitchlover11-

Roving Whiskers Males
I researched names from the Whiskers, and here are the males roving:

1.) 070- Flava Flav

2.) 073- Logan

3.) 074- Mitch

4.) 080- MaladoyMitchlover11 20:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Einstein is Logan, and McMurphy is Maladoy. Flava Flav is Tosca's grown up pup. Not from the litter on MM though. Cruise meerkat 22:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Last Seen Whiskers lad
One of the meerkats was listed in the july monthly report as absent, and in june he was last seen.

SPUD

Mitchlover11 20:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

To Mango_kat
Here is your new user page. Make sure not to copy everything from this page or any other. DO NOT COPY WORD FOR WORD!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mango_kat

Mitchlover11 21:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

THX MITCH!!!!!!- Mango_Kat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.107 (talk) 01:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No spoiler tags?
I don't see spoiler tags on the main page and was very angry while reading the article to be spoiled about key season 3 information that has not aired yet in the USA. Can someone fix this or is the only recourse to delete? 76.170.35.7 16:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added "spoiler" tags to the season 3 section, which will alert readers to be careful about reading that section. Removing information because it hasn't shown in the US yet seems like a very bad idea.  Jaeger5432 | Talk 17:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Spoiler, the spoiler tag is redundant on plot synopsis. Removing the tag and retitling the section.  It should be common sense that an episode guide will give a summary of the episodes and hence, spoilers.  There shouldn't be any more confusion here as the article explicitly states PLOT SUMMARIES and removes the need for that ugly spoiler box. Sabar Cont 18:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the spoiler doesn't only happen in a plot summary. I read way too much about Flower under her bio section and in 'featured meerkat families', and that truly gave way too much away for me. I don't understand how a simple spoiler warning would upset anybody. To me, this story is more dramatic than any work of fiction, and the Wikipedia article has affected my experience. stevielist | Talk 17:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Archive
Old discussions can be found in /Archive 1 and /Archive 2. Sabar Cont 18:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me if this is not the right way to reply... I have never commented in Wikipedia before. But, as an example, I read (major) spoiler material in the description of The Whiskers family. I also saw spoilers in the descriptions of the various meerkats. At that point I just stopped reading the article. I never even read the season three plot summary information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Yes I agree that we should have spoilers. The problem is that some people don't like them and think they look ugly, so they delete them and say that they are not needed because meerkat manor is a documentary. I wouldn't call it a documentary, I would call it a docudrama because it's half documentary and half drama. So I think we need spoilers for people like you that come on here just to look and get, well, spoiled, because there are no spoilers. How can such a simple thing like putting up spoilers up because people don't want to get spoiled turn into such a big deal? I think that some people just want to have it the way they want it. Even if it's the wrong way. So lets just keep the spoilers so nobody gets spoiled! Mattkenn3 22:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Poor Mozart
I watched the episode and cried my eyes out!! Mozart has been trough so much, and i thought for sure that she would rise up. I'm pretty sure that if Kinkajou gave birth first it would be different. Kinkajou did show her true dominant female colors during the episode. She found the group food, she made sure the group was safe, and she lead the group. Maybe she is the better meerkat to lead.

Who do you think is better leader?

Mozart or Kinkajou?

I say Kinkajou.Mitchlover11 02:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Kinkaju. No one batted an eyelash when Mozart gave out lead calls. Survival of th fittest. Mozart wasn't fit enough to keep her pups. Cruise meerkat 15:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Big Will's Mother
Big Will's mother is not Flower or Risca. It is a female named Vialli. I do not know anything else about her. Cruise meerkat 20:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I DOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reshearchers are smart, its, Big.Wil not Big.Will and its Vailli not Vialli. Vailli is Vivian Vivian. She gave birth to him when they where mate(Youssarin&Vivian). Youssy left Vivian when another male took over. He met flower and so on.- Mango_Kat

Its Vialli. Yossarian was born in the Vivian and joined the Whiskers, never was DM of them. I don't know about Big Will's name, it could be Big Will, Big Wil, or Supercalifragilisticexpialodcious for all I know. About Vialli's family tree. She gave birth to Big Will and his litter. With Youssy, I presume. She isn't related to Vivian in the least, I'm guessing. Where do you get your info? Cruise meerkat 21:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

BLAH!!!!!! sorry thinkin of, Youssiren. not youssarian. It says on the Kalahari meerkat porjecter on Myspace. I go by that reseacrcher, blah i spelt it wrong. She is a reshearcher(I guess she says) so i go by what she says. Thats my proof- mango_Kat

Youssiren was never a meerkat name... Cruise meerkat 15:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I may foget names. I name them and when i remember thenm i replace.-Mango_kat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.43 (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Mango...do you think you could provide me with the link to the researcher on myspace? Cruise meerkat 06:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

YES!!! Myspace.com/MeerkatManor_Flower, or zaphod or mozart of Axle with the MeerkatManor in front... Mango_kat

Hello
Hello. I am Tom Flower. Some may know me, but it help produce, direct, and help the meerkats. If you have any questions, please post it on my user page. Thank you for your dedication to Meerkat Manor.

Sincerly, Tom Flower Official 00:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Tom, fo you know, Evi? if so good.- Mango_Kat

I've emailed Evi before. Cruise meerkat 21:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)He probably is WAY to busy to be here.

You are not Tom Flower. He probably is WAY to busy to be here.Mitchlover11 22:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Cruise, what is her ema@il adress? I just want to email her and See if Tom Flower is real. His name aint listed on the resherch/volonteer list- Mango_Kat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.15 (talk) 01:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I will have to give it you privately somehow. I almost got in trouble for posting her reply on AP...So I don't know whether I should post her email Cruise meerkat  15:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I got an email... I have to post it privatley. Or after u get it erasse it plz- mango_kat, Meerkittens@hughes.net- PS NO ONE MSSG ME UNLESS IT CRUISE OR MITCH!!!

Excuse me....
May i delete the "Splinters"? I am tired of peeps saying they are still split cuz wiki says so. So may i and plz catch up on the episode guide, Len and Squiggy are Houdini's son. Thats why it says "Tale of Len and Squiggy" plz and thz- Mango_Kat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.15 (talk) 01:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally, while I think it deserves being mentioned, it could be split into the bio sections for Tosca, Daisy, and Youssarian. Also, unless a LOT of time passed between the episodes, there's no way Len and Squiggy are Houdini's. Even if he did successfully mate with Flower, there wouldn't be enough time for her to bring another litter to term. Also, it's stated she just had pups in the episode, so it's likely the two were included in that litter. 70.189.237.15 05:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

True Dat... Sorry i just thaught well some times they put three months inbeetween episodes.) Mango_kat

JD STARSKY IS DEAD
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4231965038/m/7731971029?r=6691929029#6691929029

Posts by pronker. VERY INTERESTING. I know she has a 100% reliable source. So JD was the Carlos who got infected and died. Cruise meerkat 03:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I know. JD is skinny carlos is fat(chubby and no offence) Mango_kat

Carlos is more than 1 meerkat. Most often, he was JD Lazuli. And now JD Lazuli is dead, along with his "Carlos" reputation. Cruise meerkat 16:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Article assessment
I have rated this article as start class because the relatively short length and lack of important sections like critical response, production etc. and as low importance because there is little to distinguish it from other articles about television series. There is only one reference in the whole article and that is in relation to the proposed film rather than the series. This desperately needs some references. Remember you can the cite the episodes as a primary source for plot summary and start looking for reviews of the show as they contain a wealth of other useable information.

These categories are arbritrary and are subject to review by any editor who feels confident to do so. Please note that a more formal assessment by other editors is required to achieve good article or featured article status. I used criteria from the television wikiproject guidelines here, article about TV series guidelines here and the assessment guidelines here.--Opark 77 10:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybelline's Real Name
Maybelline is going to be featured in upcoming episodes of Meerkat Manor, check AP and their episode guide. They claim she is Rocket Dog's littermate, but her only littermate is Kinkaju(Kinkajou). Maybelline is really Monkulus, previously thought to be Sparky. Sparky's real name was Nita, but she recently died. Maybelline is now the dominant female of a new group called the Aztecs. To find out more, go to Kalahari Meerkat Project Cruise meerkat  01:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

My new username
This is me mitchlover11. I got a new username.Mitchmeerkat 01:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I like ur name. My email is, Meerkittens@hughes.net BI its mango

On my page
Could you re-put your names, Cruise meerkat, Mango_kat, and Mattkenn on the users i know. Mitchmeerkat 15:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

House of Zappa or Sibling Rilvary
I have Time Warner Cable, and i looked at next weeks episode and the title said Sibling Rilvary? On the website it says house of Zappa. Which one is correct?Mitchmeerkat 18:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

House of Zappa is correct. Cruise meerkat 19:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Apparently AP changed it. I liked House of Zappa. =( Cruise meerkat  00:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Sibling Rivalry. It aired. so proof it wasnt House of ZappA- mango_kat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meerkat Freinds RP (talk • contribs) 08:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Splinters
I'm not sure they were calling them the Splinters as a gang name. A 'splinter' group means a smaller group that broke off from the whole group, not reffering to the meerkats.

The definition of a splinter is 'to split or break a larger group into seperate fractions or independent groups'. It seems that's more likely what they meant.

Cindy264 23:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The Splinters were a meerkat group. When the Whiskers split up, one side is called the Whiskers, the other is called the Splinters. Cruise meerkat 04:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

MMC
Cruise may i have Meerkat Manor Correctly account? i will try as hard to make it a hit!!! Mango_kat

No you may not but you can edit it. Cruise meerkat 22:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanx!!! Mango_kat My computer wont SIHN

Copyediting
The "Featured meerkat families" section needs some serious editing. There is poor grammar throughout. Also, many statements seem to be unimportant: for Rocky it says "Rocky was given a scorpion to eat by Pooky"; for Apollo, "He was given a beetle larva". There are 71 meerkats listed in this section; are they all really important enough to deserve a mention?

Importance of the facts in this section is just IMHO, but there is indisputably a plethora of grammatical mistakes here. Will somebody please correct it. --FlamingSilmaril 17:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This section is much better now, so I removed the copyedit template. Thanks especially to Cruise meerkat for doing a lot of work to improve it. --FlamingSilmaril 14:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Can someone edit Season 3 episode 5 title?
It should be "The Tale of Ren & Stumpy" and not "The Tale of Len & Squiggy". Poor pups, they only lived a couple of weeks and you can't even get their name right!

62.219.117.21 08:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)T.O

They were called Len and Sqiggy in the US. Perhaps someone should make a note of the altnerate names of the episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.218.56.121 (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

In asia, UK, earope etc... ren and Stumpy are the names. In us not canada its Len and Squiggy. We have different episodes and times and names. The leader for them is Tana. Mango_kat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.81 (talk) 22:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Commandos
I changed "Commandoes" (a misspelling of the real word) to "Commandos" and cited the Animal Planet website - http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/meerkat/meet/commandos.html, which clearly spells it that way. For the second time, it was changed back. I don't want to get into an edit war - any suggestions? Krilia 03:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the show's country of origin is the UK, it is most appropriate for the article to use the UK spellings of the group, which is Commandoes. That would be my guess as to why your edits have been reversed, which the reversing party should have explained. AnmaFinotera 06:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Commandoes looks so wrong to my eyes I never would have guessed it was an appropriate spelling - I was wondering if former VP Quayle was out there. ;)  (Potatoe).  Krilia 11:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Commandoes is the original spelling, as stated on the episode guides. And it had even been stated once or twice, I believe, on the 3rd season episode guide, so I'm considering it Commandoes. Cruise meerkat 21:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

rocket dogs status as dominent female after flowers death
the episode that says what meerkat gets dominant female has yet to air  therefore there is no source to back this statement up. from the article "Rocket Dog, Rocket Dog is the new dominant female after Flower's death. Rocket Dog is one of Kinkajou's littermates. Rocket Dog previously became the dominant female of a sub-group when the Whiskers split during a drought and food shortage. She loses her first pup(s) through premature labor due to the hardship. When Flower's group and Rocket Dog's group reunite, Rocket Dog again becomes a subordinate."Eadthem 01:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The episode Journey's End aired tonight. Summaries of ALL of the episodes of Season 3 are also available on the Meerkat site http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/meerkat/episode/season3.html so it is verifiable and easy to source. AnmaFinotera 01:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Episode Titles
To stop the constant changing of some titles of some of the episodes, I've updated the episode table for Season 7 to note both the US and UK titles if they are different. So let's use this method to denote both so that both US and UK viewers are served and we providing a more thorough article since it is an important distinction that needs to be included anyway. I listed it with the US title in quotes followed by (US), then a tag, then the UK title using the same format. AnmaFinotera 15:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Number in Whiskers Group
The Animal Planet sit lists the Whiskers group as being 50 members (presumably before whatever split may occur in the last episode). The article was updated to reflect that, but it keeps getting changed back to 33. Where is the 33 number coming from? AnmaFinotera 00:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Kalahari Meerkat Project. It's the official site for the true info and group numbers. I'll get the link in a minute.Mitchmeerkat 00:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

http://friends.kalahari-meerkats.com/index.php?id=meerkat-groups0

Mitchmeerkat 00:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. I'll add the source to the article so hopefully it will stop the back and forth changes :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnmaFinotera (talk • contribs) 00:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody mind... Spoilers etc.
if i remove the first eleven lines of the "Featured Families" section. (i.e. from SPOILER WARNING!!! - presumed dead.) To me atleast this part seems superfluous because the same information is repeated in the same section in greater detail. I would have done so with out asking but since this is quite a major edit i thought i should see if it's the view of the majority of the people who edit this page frequently. --Insanity x 20:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I mind. It should stay there. It summarizes the members.Mitchmeerkat 00:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it's good for the american fans to dish out unknown info to us across the sea so that we are prepared for what comes (e.g episode 8, journeys end) and so that we can keep up with the manor. XOXOX —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlowerQueen (talk • contribs) 18:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I vote for a SPOILER WARNING at the top of this page, or at least above the sections where it goes into details. Bine maya 15:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:SPOILER. Spoilers are part and parcel for any page about TV shows, movies, books, etc on Wikipedia.  Spoiler tags should NOT be used on non-fiction pages (which Meerkat Manor is, despite the dramatic narration).  Anyone reading an article about the show should expect spoilers.  AnmaFinotera 15:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with AnmaFinotera. Meerkat Manor is basically a documentary, which I think some editors of this article sometimes forget in their enthusiasm for the events.  It is not uncommon for entire meerkat groups to be wiped out by accident, predation, scorpions, disease, drought and the like. --Tony Sidaway 17:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Use of "Predated"
for idiots like me, could you put a simpler word for "predated"? i dont know what it means...so how did mozart die? if this is true my mom will be so bummed! she loves mozart:mozart is my moms favorite infact...67.185.53.60 01:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've changed all references ro "predated" to "killed by predators" for easier comprehension. AnmaFinotera 02:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, wait?
AnmaFinotera, I thought you agreed with the Mitch thing with these markings proof? Will you accept it when the webmaster has put up the markings on FKMP? Cruise meerkat 22:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, there needs to be some verifiable proof. The FKMP site did not have anything that I could find to support it.  AnmaFinotera 00:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

U know how i know Miss Lily The Pink's marks??? Well pictures.....- Mango_kat


 * That isn't something that can be used in the article. See NOR AnmaFinotera 13:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Mango_Kat: There are no known pictures on the intrnet of Miss Lilly The Pink. Cruise meerkat 22:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The US Book
On Amazon us, they have the book. No price yet.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0297844849/105-7167918-0858828

Mitchmeerkat 01:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Sadly I will have to wait until it comes to Barnes and Noble. No spoilers! Cruise meerkat 01:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Great to see! No release date yet, though, so I've removed the US release date from the article. AnmaFinotera —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 02:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I have read a half of chapter one... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.35 (talk) 13:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

UK Episodes
The UK is getting the episode every Monday-Friday now. They're getting Journey's End today, and some spoilers for both it and Heavy is the Crown have leaked. Should the article be updated with information from those airings, or are we strictly sticking with the US schedule? 70.189.237.15 12:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we should post the details, because remember wikipedia is not jut for americans, and the programmes' origins come from the U.K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.133.19 (talk) 20:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree totally. Last night the episode 'Farewell my Lovely' aired, and in that episode Zaphod left the Whiskers and became a roving male. Should I put that on the article? Me   myself  or  I  06:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is international. Updates from "Heavy is the Crown" were removed and as a result details about Axl and his siblings became incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.133.0.8 (talk) 06:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe if you UK viewers are so intent on spoiling American viewers, you can write a special UK section for the article and spoil away to your heart's content THERE. I don't understand the "me, me, me" logic that wants to ruin the show for other viewers. Of course, your discussion is moot, anyway. The entire season is spoiled for the US already. 76.171.174.37 22:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry if your season is "spoiled" - but if you are so concerned about not learning details before they air, why are you reading the "episode" section? It should be obvious that episode descriptions will contain descriptions of the episodes. (Apologies if you think I'm unsympathetic, but it is interesting to note that U.S. contributors never suggest waiting until the episodes air elsewhere in the world before posting. This is true for most if not all television series on Wikipedia.) Again, if you don't want to know, you don't have to read - the choice is yours. --Ckatz chat spy  04:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I would think it's not an all or nothing kind of thing- either your read or you don't. The first two paragraphs give info that actually give useful knowledge about the project, but then it suddenly goes into a character section that basically tells the whole plot (which really is not what one would expect- caught me totally off-guard). I'm neither UK nor US based and i do not care about your inter-anglo resentments (nor about reality TV shows). People access the english language wikipedia from all over the world and watch these kinds of shows through all sorts of distribution channels (DVDs, itunes, satellite, etc). So when you are done with your inter-anglo resentments, could we agree to  give people a choice  as you say, would be nice to let them know where the spoiling starts, non? Like say in the beginning- attention, section 'blablbabla contains spoilers'. BTW, this discussion about spoilers contains spoilers itself. that's pretty inconsiderate. why is it such a big problem to put a spoiler tag after the non-spoiling header sections? Bine maya 12:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Kalahari - Source or Not
There needs to be a consensus here. Either the Kalahari project is a valid source for info on the groups or not. You can not pick and choose that it can be used for the Whiskers group count but can't be used to provide details on the status of other groups. Also, you've reverted a lot of edits (again) without giving any explanations as to why. AnmaFinotera 02:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a source, but on this page we have to go with what Meerkat Manor and Animal Planet gives us.Mitchmeerkat 21:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. That goes against what you said yourself, just above.  If we say "Kalahari" and "Meerkat Manor" are different, it must be universaly applied across the board.  I.E. if it is not an appropriate a source for the status of groups, it also is not an appropriate source source for Yossarian got his scar, Mitch being "played" by different Meerkats, or, in the topic above as to the number of Meerkats in the Whiskers group.  I would, however, like views from some other editors before we either change the article to remove all KMP references.  For now, I've undone your edits.  Let's finish discussing it FIRST before making unilateral changes. AnmaFinotera 00:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Meerkat Manor and the Kalahari Meerkat Project are two seperate articles on wikipedia. Stuff about Withnail(Zappa DM) should not be on MM article, but some truths, like Starsky gang's fate, numbers of Whiskers, Commandoes reduced by TB(Commandoes are played by Vivian for shots of Hannibal and Commandos for larger, battle scenes), and stuff should be added to give a quality of truth to the article. Cruise meerkat 21:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not entirely certain the KMP article needs to be completely separate considering they are supposed to be about the same group of animals. Still, if the groups have one name in Meerkat Manor, but another in the actual Kalahari project, this should be included in the article.  That is part of the quality of truth (and it would certainly make it easier for someone who might want to look up their favorite group on the Kalahari site if they knew that some groups have different names on the show.


 * Also, what source do you have to show that the Commandoes are being "played" by two different groups of meerkats? AnmaFinotera 21:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I have a source. I will try to find it in a moment, hold on. I will also give you the email of the webmaster of FKMP to ask her for yourself if Vivian-Commandos = Commandoes(although she might not know). She will know, however, that at least the Vivian make up the Commandoes if you tell her that the dominant male is one-eyed, but I'm pretty sure she knows it already. Cruise meerkat 22:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Remember, it needs to be a verifiable source. An email from the FKMP webmaster would not be sufficient to meet Verifiability requirements.  In particular, "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Sources should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require exceptional sources." Also, you may want to review NOR. AnmaFinotera 00:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

She has asked people to not post the complete emails, so I will have to paraphrase it. Cruise meerkat 02:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Either way, it would not fit the necessary requirements for inclusion as per Verifiability. Unless there is something verifiable on either the Meerkat Manor, FKMP, or other reliable, unbiased site, the article can not claim that the Commandoes in the show are two different groups. AnmaFinotera 02:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

if you go to the current group section of friends.kalahari-meerkats.com there will be group shots on the right hand side if you scroll down to the vivian and click for a larger view you will see a one eyed dominant standing in front of the researcher that should be all you need to see that the vivian are portrayed as the commandos and then if you look at the monthly reports and the map on the kmp website the whiskers dont encounter the vivian but they do however encounter the commandos who tookover whisker,elveera,and young ones land. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.23 (talk) 03:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That seems to fall under NOR which you guys really need to read. AnmaFinotera 06:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Kalahari Meerkat Project Proposed Merger
The Kalahari Meerkat Project has been slated for deletion due "no asertion of notability, no sources." I had actually looked at that page for the first time last night and recommended some changes, but in the end, I really don't think the page has enough notability to stand on it's on. The project seems to have been virtually unheard of outside of zoology circles until Meerkat manor and the article offers very little relevant or unique info.

So I propose the article be semi-merged with the Meerkat Manor article. There is already an existing section for the project in Meerkat Manor, which actually already has more useful info than the existing article. Still, that section could be fleshed out more to include more of the project's history and give a brief summation/discussion of the groups not featured in the show and discrepancies between the groups in the project and what the Meerkat Manor shows (properly cited, of course).

Thoughts? AnmaFinotera 20:02, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The present state of that article is pretty devoid of context or content about the project, and spends most of its time just listing all the meerkat families. But I think that article could be improved. The "proposed deletion" tag can be removed by anyone; it's just a proposal. But it would be worthwhile to point out in the other article that the project is notable as the source of the footage used in the show Meerkat Manor. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * True...I'm still never quite sure what it takes to provide notability. :) Hmm...in looking over their site, it would appear that Meerkat Manor is not the first well known documentary shot there.  Sci-Fi has quite a few B movies coming on this weekend to keep my in edit heaven, but I'm going to see if I can rework the Kalahari article enough to have some content sans the giant lists of meerkats. If can be fleshed out enough, I agree, let it stand. AnmaFinotera 20:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The article has not been "slated for deletion". It was proposed for deletion.  As I don't think it should be deleted I've removed the tag and cleaned it up by removing a lot of unnecessary clutter.


 * As to a merger, I think this would be grossly inappropriate. The Kalahari Meerkat Project has been running for over fourteen years under the aegis of one of the foremost research universities in the world, and is the only long term study of meerkat ethology ever undertaken.  Meerkat Manor is a documentary series with a strong emphasis on entertainment.  --Tony Sidaway 21:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

this is a bad idea the kmp wiki is updated with information from the yearly report, the monthly report,and the kmp website whereas the meerkat manor wiki is updated with what happens on the show.. the kalahari meerkat project and the tv series meerkat manor are two very different things that shouldn't be combined.....and now there is nothing on the kmp wiki so......... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.23 (talk) 04:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not anymore. All of that stuff was removed from the Kalahari page (by another editor) as they are not really things that should be included in the article.  The KMP page has very little data on its own, hence the proposed merger.  However, the general consensus seems to be to keep them separate, so I plan to try and fix up the KMP article to be more informative. AnmaFinotera 06:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers - once and for all
I agree that there may be a valid argument for putting spoilers on the "Featured families" section. I have read WP:SPOILER more carefully, and it doesn't say that they are inappropriate in this situation. However, the way to do this is not an all-caps warning with personal attacks against "the author", as in this edit. There is a template to do this,. If we decide spoiler warnings are needed, this is what we should use for them. First I think we should come to a consensus. So anybody who has an opinion on this, please give it: should we or should we not have spoilers on the families section? --FlamingSilmaril 11:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I worded that warning to get your attention, because you are indifferent to the fact that people are being spoiled outside of the season three area and are not happy about it, and because you blew off earlier polite requests from me (and others, I notice) to add warnings. I know others who were inadvertantly spoiled, and I hate to think of school kids who watch the show having it "ruined" for them. This is a very simple request and does not require a think tank to come to the obvious conclusion. If some of us are unhappy and trying to fix the problem (and no doubt representative of a larger group that doesn't care enough to try, especially in the face of outright opposition), why are you removing spoilers and indifferent to viewer concerns? If you agree that spoilers are warranted in the season 3 area, then it's simple logic that they are also needed in other areas that spoil that information; in fact, more so, since there is no "season 3" heading to warn them off. I'll put it another way: what's the harm of adding a spoiler warning in the family section... my God, the first entry there spoils the death of a major character... have you no sensitivity as to how that has marred the viewing of this wonderful show for me and others? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.35.7 (talk) 15:27, August 29, 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all: Please sign your posts yourself, with four tildes ( ~ ). The bot is not there to do it for you.
 * Second: You already used the "Think of the children" argument once, and the related spoiler warning was removed for POV in this edit.  That kind of rhetoric will not win your argument.
 * Third: This discussion has come up before, and it was so heated that an admin protected the page because of edit warring. This is not a one-sided argument; please read the arguments for and against in the Archive.
 * Fourth: I am not "indifferent" to spoilers, or "blowing off" proposals to include them. I have only removed spoilers you added that were formatted incorrectly.  As I said before, please use the  template - WHEN we reach a consensus.
 * Fifth: Please go to WP:SPOILER and read the guidelines there. If you find something there to support your argument, by all means bring it up.  But don't base your reasoning on an appeal to not spoil schoolkids.
 * --FlamingSilmaril 11:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * One other thing: there is indeed a harm of adding spoiler warnings wherever you feel like it. Spoiler warnings are to be used as sparingly as possible, and a revision of content is preferable to adding one.  Putting in spoiler warnings wherever and whenever leads to a disorganized, messy, ugly article.  You asked "what's the harm of adding a spoiler warning in the family section", so there you go.  -- Flaming Silmaril  Talk\Contribs 23:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree revising content is preferable to putting up spoiler tags. I certainly do not have time to edit an article that is rife with many, many spoilers, nor would I take the time to do so because obviously you would remove those edits from your holy perch of Wikipedia faux authority. My reasoning is solid; yours is specious. I was personally spoiled and so were friends of mine and so were others as evidenced by posts here. I find your position on this simple issue utterly amazing. 76.170.35.7 19:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * How is my position utterly amazing? I read the policy on such matters, and now I'm asking for your opinion.  If you have any points you wish to bring up, I'm open to them, but so far you seem to be using an appeal to not spoil unsuspecting readers, without backing it up with precedent of how Wikipedia does things like this.  Please do your homework before arguing vehemently for your case.  For example: take a peek at WP:SPOILER, a wonderful little page explaining how Wikipedia uses that thing they call a spoiler warning.
 * On a different note: kudos for signing your post. Thank you very much.  -- Flaming Silmaril  Talk\Contribs 23:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

"Spoiler notices may be appropriate when significant plot revelations appear in unexpected places. As with all content, if a particular spoiler notice is disputed, discuss on the talk page and abide by consensus with regard to including or omitting the spoiler notice."

When people read about Flower's death, they are immediately mad at wikipedia for spoiling them. Its happened to a lot of people I know. I think we should warn them about the most main character in the whole series' death. It seems pretty important to put the spoiler if the main character dies. Plus, maybe people would stop trying to put she doesn't die. Cruise meerkat 05:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a wildlife documentary. There are no characters, they're real meerkats.  When Flower died, she died, she didn't wander off to find a new nature documentary in which to "play" a different meerkat.  Moreover even if we did treat this particular nature documentary as if it were a soap opera, you're welcome to find one single soap opera for which there is a spoiler tag in the Wikipedia article over a well verified report of a forthcoming death. We don't do that any more, even if we ever did.  If "Meerkat Manor is a documentary, not a soap opera" doesn't work for you, try "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site." --Tony Sidaway 07:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I read the article wanting to catch up. When I prematurely discovered that Flower had died I was very mad at Wikipedia. It seems that some editors of this page have chosen to bicker of the finer points of "spoiler policy" and have dismissed the concerns of the content consumers. I uderstand that there is policy and convention to follow. I also understand the need to reach consensus among editors. But at some point you gotta just ask yourself "what would the readers of this page want?" and "is defending my point really worth this ongoing grief?" That more than a few people have complained about the spoilers ruining their experience of the show should be cause for immediate concern. This debate appears to be more about jockying about who can lay claim to being right and less about what's best for the page. Given the ill-will that is being created, why would anyone want to perpetuate that for future visitors? After reading this debate the lesson is clear: avoid Wikipedia for TV related content. It's a shame. I might have stuck around and helped with maintaining the page but this needless headstrong approach of some editors means this is a page I'll never visit again. Along the way my faith in Wikipedia has dropped a bit too. This is a silly fight if I've ever seen one because it's reducing the appeal and value of the page in the first place.

"What's the policy?" is the wrong question to be asking. "What would most visitors coming to this page want?" is a better question. I'd much rather face the "ugly" formatting of spoiler warnings than unintentionally run into a plot spoiler. It's hard to imagine why any Wikipedia editor would want visitors to have a bad experience reading their pages. It's clear that people are upset by the manner in which the content is being presented and addressing this easy to do. Why, then, are we still debating? Can those who are blocking the spoiler warning please just step back for a moment and ask themselves if it's truly worth upsetting all of these visitors to the article so that they can continue to be "right" about the spoiler policy and whether or not this show is a documentary or a drama. C'mon...it does not matter. What matters is that people are needlessly getting ticked off reading the article. Why would anyone want that? It's easy to fix.

There is a real problem here. Do we want to see it fixed, or do we want to debate it and "win"?

Tobycat &#91;&#91;User_talk:Tobycat&#124;(talk)]] 00:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

After trying to fix the awful spoiler problem, I gave up, realizing that I was up against the type of people who would say "There are no characters" in this show. The characters in Meerkat Manor have more depth and, well....character than any other show on TV today. I doubt that you will see anybody on any other show give their life to help their family the way Flower and Shakespeare did. I was glad to find out that there were other people who could fight my position better than I could (thank you Tobycat for your articulate words). Due to certain people's need to 'win', they will ruin the experience for many people in the future. stevielist, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I am the "unsigned" poster who previously, unsuccessfully tried to add spoiler warnings to this article (as a direct result of reading about Flower's death and what happens after that, although I didn't mention specifically what had concerned me until now, after her death has aired on television). I gave up in the face of one arrogant person who designated themself the arbiter of this site, deleted attempts to add spoiler warnings, and called for a consensus on the issue (and then hypocritically ignored that the consensus of those posting here is to add the warnings). I am glad to see that others of you also tried (stevielist and tobycat in particular), using common sense, even though common sense obviously went right over the head of the self-designated arbiter. My opinion of Wikipedia has diminished, and I will never again use it for any purpose other than historical information. It saddens me to realize that this tool, Wikipedia, is designed in such a way that an article can be taken hostage by one individual and used to hurt others.76.171.174.37 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 18:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you done bickering now? Can we get back to the issue: IMHO, as it is now, a spoilerwarning should go on there. there is no harm in having it on there, but there clearly is harm if there isnt. if editing can be done in a way that does not give away the plot 9e.g. by putting the characters and plots on a separate page or a clearly spoilermarked section, it can be removed. for my part, i would not expect wikipedia should be an episode guide but i may be alone in that.

If you oppose spoilerwarnings, what is your argument? that people should not be reading wikipedia, as someone did below? also see my comments in the uk section below.Bine maya 12:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The main reason that spoiler tags aren't used here is that this is a nonfiction show. Spoiler tags are used only on articles about fictional topics. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This argument is based upon a false premise. I dispute that this is truly a "nonfiction" show.  Although the video is collected by scientists affiliated with the Kalahari Meerkat Project, the narration is dramatized.  Watch an episode...ANY episode...and you'll plainly see that motivations are ascribed to the Meerkats that nobody could possibly know.  The meerkats are personified and given complex human personalities, conflicts, empotions, and motivations as a result.  The narrative is inferred by the show's writers and dramatized for its entertainment value.  Nowhere is the show represented as a real documentary.  Although the broad themes of the show remain valid (Meerkats breed, hunt, and die) the sad truth is that those who believe the details of the dramatization as "fact" have spent too much time hiding in a burrow.  This program is entertainment, loosly based upon facts. Tobycat &#91;&#91;User_talk:Tobycat&#124;(talk)]] 20:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * On this whole "Meerket Manor is a documentary so it is OK to block addition of spoilers" argument I have to also add that this line of reasoning is arbitrary as it relies on convention and tosses out common sense. You are ignoring the intent behind spoiler warnings.  Policy or convention are useful to the extent that they implement the intent of both editors and users.  In the case of this article, it is not justifiable to continue blocking well-intentioned editors who seek to create a good readership experience for visitors to this page by adding a standard spoiler warning.  Nothing is harmed by adding the spoiler except perhaps a bruised ego of the small group who are standing in the way of this sensible edit.  This unfriendly obstinance is serving only one purpopse: it promotes ill-will regarding this page and harms the Wikipedia experience for readers.  I assert strongly that a spoiler warning is appropriate for this page. The sad reality is that my "vote" counts for nothing as long as someone holds out and objects on the basis of policy/convention which can be nitpicked until the end of time.  Tobycat &#91;&#91;User_talk:Tobycat&#124;(talk)]] 21:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * While Meerkat Manor is heavily dramatized, it is still a documentary and still non-fiction. Adding the spoiler warnings would be pointless and adds nothing to the article.  Even most fiction TV show articles rarely use spoiler tags.  They detract from the appearance of the article and common sense indicates that if you are coming to Wikipedia to read about a show, you should be prepared for spoilers.  Same thing for movies, or should all movies also have spoiler tags even if the plot section is, by nature, going to have spoilers.


 * There is also no reason for a spoiler tag when the show's primary site publishes those same "spoilers" even before Wikipedia does. I got all the information on the rest of the season 3 episodes from the AP site for the show, including Flower's death and Rocket Dog becoming the dominant female.  I strongly oppose having a spoiler tag on this article.  I've yet to see anyone articulate a good reason for it. "OMG, think of the readers" isn't one, I care about the articles, not the readers.  AnmaFinotera 01:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

UK users
If you live in the UK, then you should make another Meerkat Manor article, but centers on UK info and not US. Then is parenthsis you can say whether it's US or UK.Mitchmeerkat 18:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically, wouldn't they be almost exactly the same in the end, save for announcer and airing schedules? I can see why some people might not want too many spoilers here, but it's the inconsistency of the overall edits that gets me (revert spoilers, bring them back, o hay let's bring the Aztecs in just because!). 70.189.237.15 23:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't be so mean. It was just a opinion. On this page it would say what our version says, and the UK one would say what ya'lls say. If it's the same, then it would be okay. Their may be spoilers for US, but for UK it would be fine.Mitchmeerkat 00:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

He's not being mean, he's being honest, with some fun, nothing wrong with that. How about we have a meerkat manor with all places thought of? Example-

Tale of Len and Squiggy (USA), Tale of Ren and Stumpy (UK) Mattkenn3 00:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't try to split this article in two based on the fact that there are different commentators in different countries. --Tony Sidaway 02:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am sick of spoilers. I think we should put out a spoiler warning. I did not want to know about Mozart or Kinkajou or De la Soul. Cruise meerkat 21:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I never thought they would die. I'm just glad we got to know Mozart. Never got to know Kink or De La Soul. It says that 4 litters were raised in the group. what were the other two??Mitchmeerkat 23:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

No idea. Although, all litters died. Cruise meerkat 23:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Makes the loss even sadder.Mitchmeerkat 23:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * When and where is Meerkat Manor series 3 on on British television? I have found no trace of it in the Radio Times. Anthony Appleyard 14:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe it airs on Animal Planet UK, which lists it as showing Monday-Friday at 8:30 AnmaFinotera 15:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Animal Planet UK is one of those cable channels that I can't get without ex£en$e and having funny kit put on my TV set. I suppose I'll have to wait for the DVD. Anthony Appleyard 16:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You can also watch full episodes, including all the new episodes, on the US Animal Planet site. AnmaFinotera 16:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Can we have a list of all name differences between the TV series and the researchers? E.g. I suspect that Tosca's official researcher name is different. Anthony Appleyard 14:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a stage name guide below, however it is unverified and maybe be a violation of NOR so we are in search of a verifiable source of the changes before encorporating them into the article. AnmaFinotera 15:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Should Flower have her own article?
I created an article called Flower Whiskers, but almost right away, someone else redirtected it to Meerkat Manor. Grundle2600 00:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, she should not, nor should any of the other meerkats. She was the "star" for two seasons, but she still isn't that notable enough for her own page.  There isn't much else to say about her other than what is already in this article and she isn't going to be showing up in any other series.  She is neither an actress nor a character, she was a meerkat that has since died. AnmaFinotera 00:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Stage Name Guide

 * Youssarian - Yossarian
 * Kinkajou - Kinkaju
 * Sparky - Nita
 * Maybelline - Monkulus
 * Rocky - Hawkeye
 * Sophie - Tina Sparkle
 * Rose - Flo
 * Parsley - Finn
 * Mango - Ella
 * Chutney - Billy
 * Athena - Bananas
 * Shelley - Cheetara
 * Milley - Wileykat
 * Einstein - Logan
 * McMurphy - Maladoy
 * Dudley - Machu Pichu
 * Clive - Ningaloo
 * Achilles - Miles
 * Attila - Baker
 * Pepper - Alonzo Mourning
 * Nutmeg - Orinoco
 * Bing - Panthro
 * Buster - Busta
 * Carlos - JD
 * Magnus - JD
 * Big Si - Basil
 * Nikita - Rhian
 * Hannibal - Jim Bob
 * Axle - Axel(a Young Ones member, not Zappa)
 * Squeak - Thundercat
 * Tosca - Badiel
 * Blossom - Sundance
 * Marypat - Popkat

Cruise meerkat 23:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * What purpose does this serve in the talk page? How does it contribute to the improvement of the article? AnmaFinotera 00:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

what is daisy's research name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.23 (talk) 04:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

It contributes because...Well, its a stagename, real name guide. It should be helpful in some way. Daisy's season 1 name is Super Furry Animal, season 2 unknown, and season 3 could be Petra or Flo, Hawkeye, or someone else I forgot. Cruise meerkat 07:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see how it is helpful at all, and it doesn't seem like you can come up with a good reason for how it actually contributes to the discussion of the article either. So it has no place here. AnmaFinotera 08:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * What is the source for this list? Are Axel's and Yossarian's names really misspelt in the program credits?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony Sidaway (talk • contribs) 18:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The book about Flower and the KMP name list along with the KMP site for Youssy's name. Yes, Axle and Youssarian's names are both spelled incorrectly by Animal Planet. Cruise meerkat 20:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm still trying to figure out the point of this list being here? The show uses one set of names and KMP another, but this is about the show not the KMP. Maybe you are thinking that it would help people (particularly editors) find info about the meerkats on the KMP site?  If that is the case, perhaps it should be incorporated into the article in some way (in the meerkat section, where the names differ maybe put their real names in parenthesis).  If that is done, though, verifiable sources for the differences in name are needed BEFORE the change is done, and we'd also need to have a note/paragraph about AP renaming some meerkats (and maybe why if they have published a reason for doing so). AnmaFinotera 17:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Mick Kaczorowski has a note about name changes somewhere. Will find it. Cruise meerkat 23:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I would say this list is useful for fans of the show who want to delve deeper. However, there needs to be some sourcing. TheUnknown285 19:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Most of it is in the book about Flower(which I will be getting soon), but you have to draw conclusions. Some, like Sparky-Nita are educated guesses, and others, like Tosca-Badiel, are for sure. Cruise meerkat 22:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * How do you know it is in the book about Flower if you don't have it yet? If Sparky-Nita and Tosca-Badiel are "educated guesses" that would seem to against the NOR policy, which would make them unusable for the article. AnmaFinotera 23:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone I know has it, but we don't live near each other, so I haven't seen it. Tosca-Badiel is 100% for sure, Sparky-Nita is 99& sure. If you want, I can ask the person whether Sparky's real name is Nita or not. Cruise meerkat 00:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If it is printed in the book that meerkat X is called Y on the show, then it is verifiable and can be included (with a proper citation providing the book info and page number). If there is something on the AP site, Kalahari site, or contained in some other verifiable, reliable source, then it can be included.  The research, guesses, etc of fans is not verifiable and can not be included in a Wikipedia article.  AnmaFinotera 00:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I am getting the book around October 20th, I will confirm all these true, and, if not, change the false ones. Cruise meerkat 21:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Add Sophie and Maybelline to "Main Family Members" Heading?
With Sophie and Maybelline seemingly becoming more important and more featured in Meerkat Manor, shouldn't we promote them to the "Main Family Members" section? TheUnknown285 16:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * How is Sophie becoming more important (I don't watch the show that much myself)? With Maybelline, I'm inclined to hold off since the teasers for the rest of the season seem to indicate she's gonna end up as head of a new group that will split off from the Whiskers. AnmaFinotera 17:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Sophie has taken a bigger role this season, including babysitting and defending the pups on numerous occaisions and assisting Rocket Dog with the attack on Punk. TheUnknown285 17:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...I think it might be good to see where the season plays out first. I think that whole section really needs reformatting though, as it is getting very unwieldy and will only keep growing.  I'm not sure listing all 50+ Whiskers (and all future generations) is conducive to the article, but I'm still trying to figure out what a better format will be. For now, let's leave them both where they are to see where they end up at the end of this season. AnmaFinotera 18:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

For the overall name list, it might be useful to combine names on the same line in cases in which all the information is just who their littermates are, ie: "Meerkat A, Meerkat B, Meerkat C, Meerkat D -- members of [insert mother's name]'s [insert litter order]." TheUnknown285 19:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Mostly agreed. That whole section just needs doing. It is too long and bulky and it includes way too many minor meerkats. Now that I've studied up some more on the TV style guides to figure out how it applies to a show of this more unique show format, I'm working on completely redoing the entire "Featured" section.  I hope to get the redo done by this weekend once I get a final paper for one of my classes done. AnmaFinotera 02:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I think Maybelline should be featured, especially at the end. But not Sophie. She's still a minor character. Cruise meerkat 23:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)