Talk:Mega Man Zero (series)

Non-working Link
http://poke.dyndns.org/rmz4/rmz4.htm no longer works. I also can't find it in Google's cache or in the Wayback Machine. Mayhaps it should be removed? 67.54.145.95 20:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Unknown body
"Much is left unknown as to what happened between the X and Zero series (like the details of the Elf Wars and when, who, why transfered Zero to the new body of Megaman Zero). Also, many fans wonder how will the series possibly collide to Mega Man Legends, given many references that show up (such as a few Reaverbot-like enemies). Perhaps only time (and more games) will explain the gap."
 * Much of the elf wars are explained in the Telos drama tracks.
 * It is known that Weil transfered Zero's data, though the exact time is unknown. I think it happened before X6, as his recovery was ultimately improbable at that time.
 * It is also known that the Legends series is connected to the zero series in some way (sourcebook), though this is hinted at through background sprites, not reaverbotesque enemies.


 * Though you are right about the first and third points, I doubt the validity of the second comment. Where is it confirmed that Weil transferred Zero's data? Is it not possible that Weil came across the empty shell of Zero's original body?


 * Wolf_ODonnell 22:39 (UTC) 11 Oct 2005

Makeup of the RMZ team?
So the majority of the RMZ team also did the Dash/Legends series? I was under the impression that it was only a handful of important people, with the rest of the team developing the EXE/Battle Network series. Can anyone in the know post specific names? --Boco XLVII 15:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, three capcom groups made the mega man franchise:
 * Classic, Zero and X up to 5 - Keiji Inafune's team
 * Dash/Legends = EXE/BN
 * MMX 6+
 * Apart from this, an unrelated company made Mega Man PC, an obscure member of the Classic series.
 * Sotek 13:41, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's strictly true. Keiji Inafune's team - Capcom Production Studio 2 - is credited for the EXE & Dash series (the original series and early X series were done before the current division into multiple studios) and he personally oversees development of both (which is why he keeps saying in interviews that he wants to do more with the Dash series and characters).  The Zero series is developed by Inti-Creates, an independent developer acting on license, with direction and consultation with Inafune.  I don't know the makeup of Inti-Creates, which is why I asked - I know that some of Inafune's team broke off to form the company, hence the "handful of important people" part, but I didn't know how significant the split was - how many former Dash members were doing Zero vs EXE.
 * By the way, CPS3 did X5-7 (X5 was overseen and directed by Inafune, sure, and X6+ aren't, but it was still done by a different team), Cybermission, Soul Eraser, and Command Mission, and CPS1 did X8. Bandai, Inti-Creates, Arika, and many other companies have also developed for the series. --Boco XLVII 15:27, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Come on people
(removed silliness)

lol, anyway while you are at it you can also start on Megaman Power Fighters, the name is already there, Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters just do some editing, and i will help you along with it, becasue i don't know where to start cheers:D ><ino 04:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I recently removed a section of the entry where it was falsely claimed that Dr. Weil is called Dr. Wily in the Japanese Version. That should never have appeared on the entry, as the Japanese approximates roughly to Dr. Bairu.

-Anonymous 20:06, 2 October 2005 (GMT)

Though I only partially adopt the belief that Weil IS Wily, I did think that Weil's voice struck a BIG similarity to Wily's voice. I could even say they're the same, but I don't know which voice-over did which.

Digiku 15:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Bizarre Wording
The games are most similar to the Mega Man X series, with the classic trial and error gameplay.

What the hell is this? I'm also conserned regarding this type of comments on the gameplay. Seems awfully POV. I will admit that the Zero series appears to be intended for Mega Man veterans (some prior knowledge is required just to get what the hell is going on with the plot) but what this seems to indicate is that the series has either flawed or not very well implemented controls.

Or maybe I'm getting pissed over a single line in the article and want it changed to something a little more encyclopedic.


 * "trial and error" gameplay in this sense means that you will die multiple times before you find the pattern and move on. It's a feature, not a bug.  Anyway, the Z seires does play like the X series. --Boco XLVII 21:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
Yeah, this article's been vandalised a lot as of late. I propose that we lock this article down until the vandals get bored and go away. After all, it's not as if anybody else has got anything more to contribute to this article.

P.S. How do you lock an article, anyway? Wolf ODonnell 13:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed. The vandalism is clearly becoming absurd. Regarding "locking", its cited as Protection, and for that adminship capbilities must be enabled. Shall I bring it up in WP:AN/I...? -ZeroTalk 14:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes please, especially seeing as our article is now rapidly rising up the Chart of Most Vandalised articles. Wolf ODonnell 16:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. I recomend WP:SEMI, however. -ZeroTalk 16:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, whatever is needed, I suppose. Wolf ODonnell 11:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article status
This seems like an lovely article to bring in for the main page; I think it feasible to bring it up to featured artcle status. We need references and more elabration however, before I take it to peer review. -ZeroTalk 11:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I'm not sure where to get it, but we need pictures for the Megaman Zero 1-4 sections. One picture for each section, preferably a screenshot rather than the box cover. This article will also need a picture showing the before and after of censoring.


 * The title, "Story", may have to be replaced with "Games in the Series", with each description of each game shortened, with a brief gameplay synopsis added on. If 10 people agree with the suggestions in this paragraph, I will go ahead with editing that section.

Wolf ODonnell 13:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds grand. I'll gather images, and references in the meantime, but we don't need 10 people to gather concensus. Its essentially been only us making productive edits to the article, so there's no need for formalities; begin whenever you like. -ZeroTalk 14:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded images
Images I've uploaded to expand the article:


 * Image:Cyber elf System.jpg - screen of the newly implemented Cyber Elf system in Mega Man Zero 3.
 * Image:Mega Man Zero 2 Screenshot2.jpg - Image of the player facing off against the boss Polar Kamarous in Mega Man Zero 2
 * Image:Mega Man Zero 2 Screenshot.jpg -Image of the player facing off against the boss Mega Scorpio in Mega Man Zero 2's Intro level.
 * Image:Mega Man Zero 3 screenshot2.jpg - Image of the player fighting Omega in Mega Man Zero 3
 * Image:Mega Man Zero 3 screenshot3.jpg - Zero fights against an boss in Mega Man Zero 3
 * Image:Mega Man Zero 3 screenshot.jpg - Intro stage of the first Mega Man Zero game.
 * Image:Mega Man Zero 4 screenshot2.jpg - Zero utilizing the new Z-Knuckle.
 * Image:Mega Man Zero 4 screenshot.jpg - Image of Zero traversing one of Mega Man Zero 4's many stages.

-ZeroTalk 14:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Sources and references

 * www.planet-megaman.com - used for analytical basis
 * www.megaman-network.com - used for analytical basis
 * - Mega Man Zero series


 * www.gamefaqs.com - utilized for game release dates and marketing information, as well as gameplay.
 * - Mega Man Zero
 * - Mega Man Zero 2
 * - Mega Man Zero 3
 * - Mega Man Zero 4


 * poke.dyndns.org - Translation of Rockman Zero 4 game

Format
Sections I believe would be necessary to include in the format pertaining to the article:

-ZeroTalk 18:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * History - explains the series production and creator thesis
 * Games - table of games (I've just completed this)
 * Other - suggestions by others.

pictures added
To whom ever added some pictures GREAT WORK! But we also need a picture for the front cover/ front case of the game!....using the in-gameplay for the title picture doesn't seem right!
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 00:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. We do possess box art, but only for the individual games. This article covers the series as a whole, so a screenshot to illustrate the series will suffice. -ZeroTalk 00:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

RTRZ and Vile's Incident
Though they're relatively obscure. Would it not be best to include atleast some mention of both these additional materials? Both are very important for the overall series when it comes to filling in the plot. Vile's Incident and Telos tracks being of the most importance as the latter document events that occur during the games, but off-screen and the former documents the epilogue of Rockman Zero up till 2 years after the events of Rockman Zero 4. -Zan Sidera-


 * And what do you suggest we do? Add a "Related Merchandise" section and describe these materials briefly? Wolf ODonnell 10:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest merging them into appropriate sections pertaining to thier relevance in the storyline, weather it be the main article, the individual articles, or both. -ZeroTalk 11:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Girouette/Zero theory
Quote: "Mega Man ZX features a support character that goes by the name of Girouette, it is theorized that this character may be Zero because of his likeness. In support of this idea, Girouette's Model Z lacks a helmet, which was shown at the end of Mega Man Zero 4 in ruins."

I think this has no point, as Girouette is a newer style reploid and some of his determining appearances do not match to Zero's. This could purely be a coincidence. Zero could have survived and become a Live Metal at an unknown point of time. And a helmet may not be needed to look like Zero anyways.

Reploidof20xx 11:36, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

hum ?
do you know wher I can find the origin of this text ? Thanks

- Zero is not the original carrier of the virus. Hell, Dr. Wily didn't even engineer the thing.

- Dr. Light created the virus as a means of pacifying his creation, X. This "virus" keeps X calm and creates his hatred of violence.

- Zero was built as a pure raging homicidal maniac, so we can just infer that Wily completely circumvented the Rules of Robotics with his creation.

- Zero got the virus at some point*, and it does to him what it does to X, in that it suppresses his violent tendencies and makes him "good" (I remarked to Mav that this hilariously validates the back of MMZ1's box now). Zero becomes a Hunter as Sigma's mental state deteoriates (I think it's inferred, if not stated, that Sigma gets the virus from X. How he becomes the carrier and eventually the virus itself is either not explained or not translated yet).

- The reason Mavericks become they way they do is because they can't handle the virus in its raw form. They go insane because of it, which circles back to the potential cause for irregular behavior being some sort of design defect that X and Zero don't have because they are the originals.

- Zero is sealed away at some point in the X series era.

- Zero's copy body is made during this timeframe, and his memories transferred (the mysterious scientist in X6's ending?)

- Zero wakes up in his copy body to help X fight in the Elf Wars.

- Weil, as we know, finds Zero's body and builds Omega around it, because Zero is "immune to the virus". Perhaps that cleansing worked?

- Dr. Weil had corrupted the Mother Elf in his own way of doing good, because he wanted the Elf to destroy everyone he considered evil. Omega, who he created using the original body of Zero (that part wasn't retconned, thankfully), went overboard and killed 90% of Reploids/60% of humans instead. Elf Wars blamed on Weil, citizens of Neo Arcadia illegally banish him, yadda yadda.

- Guardians reported killed at the end of Mega Man Zero 3; they are said to have been destroyed in Original Zero's explosion. Mother Elf shielded Zero and returned him to the Resistance.

- Zero 3 was initially slated to be the end of a three-game arc. Zero 4 was created, presumably as a way to bridge MMZ to ZX by killing Zero and setting it up for Models Z and X to be Live Metals with the other four Guardians (point explained below).

- Oh yes, Ciel and Weil's ancestors were once bitter rivals. As Mav told me, "imagine what you will from that". tongue.gif


 * What's weird is that it says Zero was the first one infected, so Zero and X have to meet at some point PRIOR to the whole Zero vs Sigma fight. Has to be relatively soon, too, if Zero is still a maniac when Sigma fights him, and the virus "turns him good". Yes, this is extremely screwy...

This text was posted by Zan Sidera on http://megaman.retrofaction.com/community under the Mega Man X section and concerns a booklet that officially rectons everything that's been said in the X Series games and quite a bit of Zero series background story, which kinda makes me think we should strip out all mentions of plot from the game articles. Wolf ODonnell 15:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Zero 3 Omega + Shiitenou
I've seen a few translated pages from the Rockman Zero Official Complete Works, and I am shocked by what it says involving the end of Zero 3. It turns out that the surviving Shiitenou were destroyed at the end of Zero 3 in Omega Zero's explosion. Is this information any use at all. Source: Atomic Fire Article (read comment 19) -- Reploidof20xx  (talk)  12:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. That means I'm right then.  I always THOUGHT they died, they'd have to either way the way they rebelled against Vile.  That, and a page from the RTRZ PHYSIS booklet shows them wearing the same jackets as Original X..


 * Oh, and by the way..it's Shitennou, not Shiitenou.—ウルタプ 14:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry bout that, I know there's a double letter somewhere, didnt know whether it was the I or the N. -- Reploidof20xx  (talk)  06:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

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Umm...One Question...
Why was the character paged removed/redirected? C'mon, a good portion of the characters are important to both this storyline, and later ones (ZX, whatever events happen between X and Zero, maybe even Legends). ChromeWulf ZX 02:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Allusions
I've added a few of the series allusions, what I put was all I could think of. If anyone else wants to add, feel free to. The RockMan Zero Complete Works book has the info on the shape of Yggdrasil, but I can't find the picture. Forte X (talk)