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Copy Edit
To whomever! Just an FYI, as part of the current Copy Editors Guild drive to clean up articles listed for copyediting, I've chosen to attempt a clean-up of this article. It's quite large, and it's going to take me a day or two to get through it I think. I will be first correcting format errors, and then moving on to content by section if I can break it down that way (sometimes I correct little things I see as I go along too!). If I do anything objectionable, please feel free to revert my edits, I won't be offended, really! I am familiar with the Transformers, but do not have any specific interest in the article, this is just a courtesy notice because I suspect this could be one of those articles that gets a lot of contention between different editors with different POV's. If I see something that needs more info, I will likely stick a template there rather than delete it, like this. I hope my efforts will help make a better article for those involved editors here. If you're really upset by my changes, feel free to flame my talk page too! I will be starting later today. --Des pay re ( talk ) 17:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

First pass: Basic formatting code changes only (plus in-use banner)
 * (lead):
 * - Removed "primary antagonist" Doesn't really tell us much, and is pretty much covered by "Supreme leader", also allows for sub-plots in the series where he wasn't the primary antagonist
 * - Removed "supreme leader" wikilink, self-explanitory, and per WP:Overlink
 * - changed from "evil" to villainous
 * - Added Cybertron wikilink
 * - Added some detail so that the lead isn't a little dinky sentence in front of a large article... It probably wouldn't hurt to make it a short paragraph even, if kept on point
 * (Design/Name section):
 * Changed "Design" to "Name" since there is no reference to the design here
 * Added a time modifier, they didn't "see" anything, they decided it later
 * (Abilities section)
 * - Added "simulated", he didn't turn into a real P38, he shot energy blasts out of it
 * - More focused than what? added
 * - Cleaned up prose on mass and size shrinking and wielding
 * - removed "on at least one occasion (The Autobot Run) ", could be cited if necessary
 * - removed ".(More Than Meets The Eye, Part 2), cite if necessary
 * - removed "According to his "tech spec", Megatron has no known weaknesses. This does not, however, spare him from defeat at the hands of his enemies" Will try and work that into the toys section somehow, but it contradicts himself, and the article it points to talks about how the values skew a lot anyway
 * - removed "He also wields an energon morning star on rare occasions", I think this is the previously mentioned energon flail (minor differences between a flail and a morning star, at least for the purposes of this article)
 * (Marvel Comics section):
 * - removed Optimus reference, in the UK comic going back to Cybertron, since it's not referenced again, and this isn't about Prime.
 * - removed " with Blaster" referring to the battle with Straxus, they can read about that in the Straxus article, this is about Megatron
 * - Several small of prose editing bits
 * - I think this needs fixing still:
 * "For example, after the first disappearance of Ratchet and Megatron, a disparate continuity of storylines based around the "Earthforce"—a team of Autobots based on Earth—began, which saw Megatron and Shockwave establishing a joint leadership of the Decepticons only to have command usurped by Starscream and Soundwave"
 * this is an awkward sentence that tries to say a lot, but I haven't come up with a better way of saying that yet.

(:Animated Series Section)
 * - Cleaned up lots of prose, deleted some extraneous detail, and removed links as per WP:Overlink
 * --Des pay re ( talk ) 02:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyedit problem
After spending several hours on this article, and not getting very far, I've come to the conclusion that there's just no rational way to put all this information into a cohesive, coherent article yet. As an example of what I'm saying, this article is over 11,000 words long, yet, the WP article on WW II is just barely over 10,000 words. I would think that a fictional cartoon character could be summed up in fewer words than one of the most pivotal global events of the 20th century. I'm not stuck on word count by any means, it's just an easy example to make. I don't want to come in here and do a slash and burn on your article, I don't think that's helpful to anyone. But maybe there's a better way to organize all that content? All the books should be in *1* books section, for example. Also, could you cut back on mentioning large portions of the storylines? Are the general story arcs not already covered in the autobot or decepticon articles? As well as the episodes that we directly link to here? If requested, I would be happy to come back and try to copyedit this article again in the future, but it just seems a little bit too unweildy right now (even the info boxes have too much info in them imo). Sorry I couldn't be more help. --Des pay re ( talk ) 08:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Categories
I've removed most of the categories that were attached to this article. Categories are for finding pages on specific topics. If I want an article about /transforming robots/ sure, that would be a great category. However, if I'm looking for /fictional dragons/ or /fictional automobiles/ I probably don't want a long-winded article that covers an entire franchise about transforming robots that only happens to have one robotic dragon or a couple of fictional cars, only *actual fictional dragons* and *actual fictional cars* should be in those categories. Also, people in the *fictional aircraft* category hardly care about the Megatron series. Please try and think before adding random categories, thank you. Ncboy2010 (talk) 15:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed split
This article is rather long and unwieldy. Given that each version of Megatron is a unique character with various origins and goals, I suggest splitting the article. My initial suggestion is by (comics), (cartoons), and (toys), but there's enough material to support articles as specific as (G1), (G2), (Armada), and so on, if other users agree. A template could be created to navigate between the various Megatrons. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I think your initial suggestion makes a lot of sense, at the very least, it's somewhere to start. --Des pay re ( talk ) 16:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I think that sounds like a very good idea. This article is very long. Much too long to be considered a "good article". Jdaniels15 (talk) 11:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

That's be very nice. But in my opinion, it'd probably be better to keep all versions of Megatron on the same page, but to heavily condense the article with more focus on real-world relevance and less focus on fancruft, similar to pages on other fictional characters. I know for Transformers characters it's kind of hard because the different incarnations of each character seem like completely separate and unrelated characters at times, but I'm sure it can be done. In the past, it was split into several articles ("Megatron" for G1 Megs, "Megatron (other incarnations)" for other incarnations, etc.), but basically the only thing it improved was that the pages were shorter. The pages were still full of fancruft and toy lists and not many references, and the way that the article was split suggested a pro-G1 bias (Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral). Eh! Steve (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Pruning that much to keep it all in one article is going to be very difficult, I think this article *should* be about 50% shorter than it is now, but I'm not sure how I would go about acomplishing that either. That's an awful lot of fancruft to cut out. --Des pay re ( talk ) 04:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I can see trouble with separating every incarnation, but how do you feel about splitting them along media? That's works well for other properties like Spider-man. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I think another problem is with the infoboxes. Most Transformers articles have several infoboxes for different versions of the characters. I understand why having seperate infoboxes for unrelated characters is needed, but for characters like Megatron and Optimus Prime, who in nearly universe, are leaders of opposing factions, it's crazy. Why not have seperate infoboxes for G.I. Joe characters or Spider Man?71.255.167.252 (talk) 23:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I am removing the split tag. As discussed above, the article really needs to be sorted out properly. I doubt any split articles would be notable. Op47 (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 September 2012
Megatron is also the nickname of star wide receiver on the Detroit Lions Calvin Johnson. It is believed he received the nickname from former teammate Roy Williams. "Megatron" is currently on the cover of Madden 2013.

66.87.117.53 (talk) 23:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

No actual request, and as this has nothing to do with the Transformer who is the subject of this article and no reliable source is provided, there's nothing here that we can take action on. Cheers. Doniago (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Merge?
Shouldn't we merge Megatron (Beast Era) to the Beast Era section of this article?71.255.170.39 (talk) 22:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit-warring: Knock it off
There's been a spate of recent edit-warring over the categorization of Megatron as a dragon. I don't personally have a stake in the argument, but the ping-pong match has to stop. I've warned both parties and will report them if necessary. In the meantime I invite them to make their cases here. DonIago (talk) 13:54, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The category "Robot Dragons" was removed by a sockpuppet even though the article clearly supports the category: See section "Beast Wars" ...

"Another being addressed simply as Megatron is an apocalyptic figure said to bring about death and destruction through alteration of the time stream. Possible interpretations in the book of him are 'Alpha and Omega' and 'The Great Dragon'."
 * Indeed the word "dragon" in reference to a description of the character is used no less than 10 times. I really can't understand why you support this ridiculous deletion of a legitimate category. The fact is *I* need not "prove" or "support" or find "consensus" to this, the article itself supports the category as is plain for anyone who can read. Honestly, what a tempest in a teapot generated by a sockpuppet, and for some bizarre reason the sockpuppet's VANDALISM is supported by an Admin who apparently chose not to educate himself as to the actual content of the article. Amazing, but typical here at Wikipedia. =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:54, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Considering you were recently blocked for edit-warring and were explicitly told that the edits were not vandalism, and have furthermore presented no evidence that any user is in fact a sockpuppet, I'm not inclined to take your concerns especially seriously. I will, however, remind you that making such accusations without evidence can be construed as a personal attack. DonIago (talk) 20:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So you are making it clear that your personal bias against me prevents you from actually taking a look at the evidence and making an unbiased judgment? You're saying that because you don't like MY behavior, it's OK to ignore legitimate article issues I might bring up? You're saying that any legitimate article issues and evidence I bring up is irrelevant because you don't like me? Wow. Just wow. =//= Johnny Squeaky 20:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Not at all. If you would like to make a case that focuses purely on content and does not involve commenting on your fellow contributors, I will be happy to offer an opinion. And, of course, other editors are welcome to offer their opinions at any point as well. DonIago (talk) 21:12, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Support for Category:Robotic dragons
I would like to add the category: Robotic Dragons: This should be enough to include the category: Robotic Dragons, unless people want to make the case that it is a toy and not a dragon at all, in which case I'll have to agree, as dragons are a mythological creature unless you are very stoned. =//= Johnny Squeaky 22:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In the Info Box under "Modes", one such mode is "dragon" and "wolf/dragon"
 * In the section "Transformers: Robots in Disguise", in the very first paragraph, one configuration is described as " twin-headed dragon..."
 * In the Beast Wars section, there is discussion of the original Megatron: "Possible interpretations in the book of him are 'Alpha and Omega' and 'The Great Dragon'"
 * A Google Search for "Megatron Dragon" brings up numerous references that support the fact that one or more of Megatron's forms involves a dragon form
 * A Bing Search for "Megatron Dragon" brings up numerous references that support the fact that one or more of Megatron's forms involves a dragon form
 * A Yahoo Search for "Megatron Dragon" brings up numerous references that support the fact that one or more of Megatron's forms involves a dragon form
 * As there are no dissenting views, It Is Done. =//= Johnny Squeaky 09:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Reverted. You should give at least 24 hours for people to comment. There is no rush to make changes, and adding a category can wait another day or two without any appreciable harm. Additionally you are well aware that this was previously a controversial edit, which is all the more reason to give other editors additional time to comment should they wish to do so. Please wait another day or so. DonIago (talk) 14:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * He's a robot. He's occasionally been a dragon. What's the issue? Argento Surfer (talk) 15:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of what the specific issue is with the category, but have informed the user who originally contested the category of this discussion.
 * The larger issue was that the removal of the category previously resulted in edit-warring rather than forming a consensus. And now we're here.
 * Personally I don't care whether or not the category is included. DonIago (talk) 16:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's now been more than 24 hours. =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yah. I'd say go ahead and add it back in if you're so inclined. If anyone opposes they'll have to provide their reasons here. DonIago (talk) 19:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Transformers Prime: Books
I own Transformers: Exodus, Transformers: Exiles, and Transformers: Retribution and was wondering if I could add applicable content about Megatron to the Transformers Prime section. LiegeMaximo (talk) 03:29, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You could add information that occurs strictly within the context of those books, but do not add your own interpretations, as that would be original research. DonIago (talk) 12:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2014
"as having rose up" should be replaced with "as having risen up" in the opening lines because it is a grammatical error.

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 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Images up for discussion at NFCR
Please join the discussion that has been started at Non-free content review about the number of images used in the article. Aspects (talk) 01:32, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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Dates Needed
Could somebody add dates for the various series and other source material here? Skepticalgiraffe (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2016
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IDW G1 Comics version needs significant updates
I may not have the time to write this up myself, but the IDW G1 summary for Megatron is significantly out of date. For one thing, he is almost certainly not currently dead in that continuity.140.251.8.107 (talk) 13:42, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Prime Megatron
Since Transformers: Prime is the flagship series for the Aligned continuity, shouldn't we put a picture of Prime Megatron on the Transformers: Prime section, rather than a picture of War for Cybertron Megatron? Leader Vladimir (talk) 01:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I think prime megaton doesn't look like the real mega trim Wichita doesn't make sence Gfssdfhjjvcdd (talk) 02:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Personally I think putting Transformers Prime Megatron would be too confusing as even today people look if the Transformers Robots In Disguise Megatronus or The Fallen .The text says he was originally was a gladiator called Megatronus so it might make people be more confused than they already are. SoundWave101 (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Toys
It seems like many of the different incarnations of Megatron have next to no information about his toys; any way we can fix that?174.52.0.151 (talk) 22:04, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey, I actually wrote the above post when I didn't have an account. Is anyone else interested on working on the toy sections for the Megatron article? OptimusMagnus (talk) 06:17, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes but it will take time SoundWave101 (talk) 19:11, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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