Talk:Mel Gibson/Archive 6

Contradiction
Someone has that he was raised "Sedevacantist", but his quote in the next sentence says that he accepts the authority of the chair of Peter. That is a contradiction. Anyway, he got a little crazy in the past few years, let us pray for him and a speedy return to the church.74.90.110.7 (talk) 19:48, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * He was apparently raised in some kind of sedevacantist tradition by his father. I'm not at all surprised by contradictions when it comes to matter like these. I may very well have been the person who raised that because I remember editing on that particular matter before on this article. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2016
I think that the line that reads "is an Australian-American actor" should read "is an Irish-American actor". Mel Gibson is half Irish on his mother's side and has dual Irish-American citizenship.

i was thinking exactly the same thing. I am Australian and have searched around. Gibson has an AO (0rder of Australia) given in the 90s, which might suggest he has citizenship - however a few of those each year do go to non Australians, and this could be the case with him. He did vote in the 1999 referendum on Australian independence from the UK - which is a more plausible reason to suggest he has Australian citizanship. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000154/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.177.177 (talk) 11:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. clpo13(talk) 22:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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Nationality as Irish-American
Should his nationality be changed to Irish-American? seeing how he has Irish Citizenship is half Irish and regards himself as American and Irish. Will provide sources if needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.245.101 (talk) 13:31, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

BLP
There are certain responsibilities when creating a biography of a living person, but to not end the opening section with something like "Since controversy erupted over his comments during an arrest that same year, Gibson has largely faded from the public eye...

Well, that's bullshit. BLP policy doesn't mean rose-colored lenses (does it?), and to pretend that's not notable, when you don't have a single thing worth saying past 2006.. I don't want to crap on the guy forever. I loved his movies. I wish he was still making them, but that was an extremely significant event in his life and career and we all know it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:EA51:3700:28CB:99DD:166C:6A7C (talk) 03:02, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Why is he hated by media, any clue ? Controversies are not such big ones, many seemes to be ballooned.117.213.17.212 (talk) 03:39, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Wrong link to Robyn Moore page
The link to Robyn Moore who Gibson married in 1980 takes you to the page of an Australian woman who was born in 1971 making her 11 years old when she and Gibson married. Obviously this is the wrong Robyn Moore, and the link needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kovsykovsky (talk • contribs) 00:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Hacksaw Ridge
There appears to be only one mention of this doing a quick word find on the article, despite being a major directorial venture. Frankly Man (talk) 13:12, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Kids
Can someone please make a table of all eight (now expected nine) kids - with whom he had whom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:797B:EA00:A4B6:FD45:42D:3322 (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Update 'Prospective films'!
If you're not going to let us update Gibson's Wikipedia page, you must update it yourself! The first paragraph has to be updated - he is now working on the film in question. The second paragraph has to be deleted, as it is no longer relevant - he has been in several action roles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.255.212 (talk) 15:22, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2017
203.40.138.182 (talk) 21:21, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

St Leo's School is located in Waitara, not Wahroongah.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not according to the Wikipedia article of St Leo's Catholic College. If you mean Mel Gibson went to St Leo's School located in Wahroongah, please re-open the request with an independent reliable source. regards,   DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  14:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Addidtion to that anti-semitic film
Please add: "The Passion of the Christ was surrounded by controversy long before it even hit theaters. The Anti-Defamation League came out strongly against the film, saying that “productions such as The Passion could likely falsify history and fuel the animus of those who hate Jews.” ... “At every single opportunity, Mr. Gibson’s film reinforces the notion that the Jewish authorities and the Jewish mob are the ones ultimately responsible for the Crucifixion,” the organization wrote. “We fear the consequences of this film.”" Source: http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Culture/The-quiet-comeback-of-Mel-Gibson-482575 --87.156.234.206 (talk) 20:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: There already is a mention of the controversy and the ADL in the section. Anything more might be undue and not needed in this part of the article, you may go to the article about the movie itself and expand it there. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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Best known as an action hero?
Surely he is better known for all the controversies over the last 15 years? (2A00:23C4:6384:600:55DE:C5AB:F70D:7B93 (talk) 12:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC))

Surely there should be some mention of the enormous controversy over the inaccuracies and racism in Apocalypto? And the inaccuracies and racism in Pocahontas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.248.77 (talk) 00:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Surely you can provide 2 or 3 separate third party reliable sources that support your claims. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 01:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Notable individuals with Franks' sign
Could this link be added in the "Categories" ? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.197.209.85 (talk) 14:38, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


 * What links ? What categories ? -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 01:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2017
I've recent noticed in his occupations that he is credited as a "voice actor" too. It's best it should be removed, because he doesn't do much voice over work and the term "Actor" already covers both his live action work and voice over work. And we don't need tre term "actor" in there twice. 64.134.35.1 (talk) 22:46, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  10:24, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Gibson and Mel name origins
These names are of Sephardic Jewish origin. Mel Gibson grandparents were converts from Judaism.--2605:6000:3D10:8400:211A:8044:929B:34D1 (talk) 21:22, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Controversies
I believe that it's important to place Apocalypto § Ending beside Braveheart § Portrayal of Longshanks and Prince Edward, and The Passion of the Christ § Allegations of antisemitism. That is also a major controversy and many people (myself included) feel strongly about it. To omit it would be to ignore an important discussion about the implications of a movie just as important and just as Mel Gibson's, whose historical accuracy is just as significant and polemic, and how that movie might relate to a kind of practice of prejudice (against Native-American cultures, by Christian colonists) just as important as any other (e.g. against Jews, homosexuals and other minorities, by some Christians; against the English, by some Scottish; etc).

I'm not saying that Mel Gibson is a horrible person or that his movies incite discrimination against non-whites (of any colour or precedence), non-cis-heterosexuals (of any gender identity or sexual orientation), non-Christians (of any faith or culture, present or historical) or any other human populations. Nor am I suggesting that Wikipedia should issue an opinion concerning Mel Gibson's character, religious convictions or behaviour towards others — far from it, to manifestly express such an opinion, favourable or unfavourable, would be just as biased as to manifest an opinion about whether Jews should be held responsible for the death of Jesus Christ, Mesoamericans are better off before or after colonisation and catechesis, Prince Edward was effeminate or King Longshanks was an impious, misanthropic tyrant. What I am saying is that Wikipedia should not inform that some people might argue that Mel Gibson's movie Braveheart might contain historical inadequacies that perpetuate pejorative stereotypes concerning e.g. King Longshanks and Prince Edward and that some people might argue that Mel Gibson's movie The Passion of the Christ might perpetuate historical violence against the Jewish people and culture, especially symbolic violence, but not that some people might argue that Mel Gibson's movie Apocalypto might contain historical inadequacies that perpetuate pejorative stereotypes concerning Mesoamerican peoples (mainly the ancient and modern Mayan) and might perpetuate historical violence against Native-American peoples and cultures, especially symbolic violence — so, to be fair, Wikipedia should either remove the link to controversies regarding Braveheart and The Passion of the Christ or add a link to controversies regarding Apocalypto, which is just as widely known and controversial. And, since Wikipedia's mission is to inform, I suggest adding the link (after the other two, as Apocalypto came later) rather than removing the others. It is important to keep people informed, so that they can formulate their own opinions on Mel Gibson and his movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.120.128.52 (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Also, parts of the article are biased, centred on his version only..to imply he was a saint being dragged through the sewer when the facts speak for themselves. In one of the tapes Miss Grigorieva says: "What kind of man is that? Hitting a woman when she's holding a child in her hands?" Gibson allegedly replies: "Oh, you're all angry now. You know what, you ******* deserved it. " https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/7893603/Oksana-Grigorieva-claims-Mel-Gibson-bruised-daughter.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:388:296:150:0:0:1:A (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Blacklisted?
Is there any evidence he was blacklisted? (86.144.87.125 (talk) 04:33, 14 April 2018 (UTC))
 * The article doesn't back up that claim ("Gibson's controversial statements resulted in his being blacklisted in Hollywood for almost a decade.") with a source/ref. And it needs one, because Wikipedia can't randomly claim someone is or was "blacklisted in Hollywood". I despise all editors who feel this is unnecessary because the sky is blue. Sometimes I can't stand this place. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

critically acclaimed
In the lead it says (emphasis mine) "His career began seeing resurgence with his critically acclaimed performance in Jodie Foster's The Beaver (2011), [...]". Maybe it was indeed critically acclaimed, but, as far as I can tell, this source-less claim is not backed up by content in the rest of the article, such as the § The Beaver section. The Beaver (film) states Gibson's "all-in performance sell this earnest, straightforward movie", but an all-in performance that sells also isn't the same thing as a "critically acclaimed" performance. Per WP:V (specifically "Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed.") I could suggest removing the phrase "critically acclaimed". But this diff shows us a sock puppet moved what's critically acclaimed from Hacksaw Ridge to The Beaver in December 2018. This makes my request as follows: move the phrase "critically acclaimed" back to where it belongs. You know, it's interesting to me that it took five months for an editor to be curious about his "critically acclaimed" performance in a box-office bomb called The Beaver. (This is also one of Wikipedia's two main problems, that the software does not 'attach' references to claims. If the sentence that originally contained "critically acclaimed" would've been attached to the Wsmv.com ref the phrase could not have simply been repurposed. Anyway...) --77.173.90.33 (talk) 00:16, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Have removed "critically acclaimed", didn't quite find a way to make it fit into the next sentence, but it's probably enough to list all those awards it won. Also, well spotted. – Þjarkur (talk) 10:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the edit. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 11:35, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2019
It wouldn't hurt if we change his occupations back to "director and producer" again. In the first sentence of "American actor and filmmaker" to "American actor, director and producer". 2600:1000:B012:826B:A4C7:BF07:E522:1851 (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Not done. I don't really see any need to change synonyms back to the 2014 versions. - ChrisWar666 (talk) 04:06, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Australian actor
He is an Australian actor and constantly refers to himself as an Australian actor and requests not to be called American. It should state Australian actor .... why do Americans always take it, it’s like AC/DC The snapping turtle (talk) 10:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Where is the evidence that Gibson ever took Australian citizenship? He is probably at best an Australian resident. WWGB (talk) 10:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * In the infobox of the article 188.192.201.91 (talk) 11:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The sources say that he is American born. You would not be Australian, unless you have citizenship there. If you can find a source of this, we can change to "Australian-American," that would be most fitting given if he has dual citizenship. I have also heard that he is an Australian actor, but unfortunately we need news sources to support this. If he just lived in Australia that doesn't make him Australian. Expertwikiguy (talk) 21:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Filmography is very incomplete
Filmography mentioned here seems very incomplete. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000154/ gives a complete list. E.g. his lead role in the recent movie The Professor and the Madman would certainly deserve a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by U0008355 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you can provide what's missing along with a credible news source, I am willing to look into it and add.Expertwikiguy (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Were_Soldiers should be in here, one of the best as well. 65.111.118.57 (talk) 20:59, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Controversies section
I think it would be best to not have a section titled "Controversies" in a WP:BLP. It seems Gibson has owned up to his behavior, and especially as he was drinking in all these instances, it seems the subsection "alcoholism and legal issues" covers things fairly well. The GLAAD issues have links so they are highlighted and won't get lost in the mix. This period in his life seems to be over. He talks about it freely. Apparently he made amends to GLAAD and others. I don't see evidence that these are on-going behaviors so the controversies are settled and done. Using that word to head a section seems heavy handed overkill. I'm not saying delete all those bits. Just get rid of the section heading and leave it as a continuation of the Alcohol and Legal Issues subsection. It's just a suggestion but I think there should be more consideration for BLP's. And the bits where he's quoting Catholic dogma, the wife can't get into Heaven because she's not Catholic, etc., apparently he's come around on that. You know, you grow, as George Carlin would say. Bodding (talk) 01:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2023
How the fuck did you leave out THE PATRIOT. Easily one of his best mid career movies. 2601:19B:8200:9120:A853:5CF2:F678:B7B5 (talk) 01:52, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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Childhood in Sydney
This link has some paragraphs about Mel Gibson: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/nostalgic-facebook-group-you-grew-up-around-hornsby-if-you-remember-stirs-up-memories-of-suburbs-past/news-story/749405457342cd844bc2960dfce46a5b

"Mel Gibson lived in Mt Kuring-gai and my nana played bingo with his mum"

- anonymous

"Gibson went to high school at St Leo's and Asquith Boys and had haircuts from Dominic in Asquith."

- anonymous

"My daughters boyfriends father went to school with him at Leo's and was a good mate"

- anonymous

From https://books.google.com.au/books?id=wY7lBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT33&dq=mel+gibson+kuring-gai&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj716a5wuPQAhWGspQKHWfsAzwQuwUIJzAA#v=onepage&q=mel%20gibson%20kuring-gai&f=false there is more detail (book titled Mel Gibson - Man on a Mission By Wensley Clarkson):

"Hutton swiftly found a property in the Mount Kuring-gai area just north of the city and set about finding schools for his younger children"

"St Leo's College was located in the quiet, leafy suburb of Wahroonga ... But inside St Leo's, a spirit-crushing regime ruled"

"At the Asquith High School, Mel encountered the same sort of 'Yank' taunts"

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2022
Gibson is most famous for his lead role in Braveheart, playing the great Scottish freedom fighter,William Wallace. He is now synonymous with Scotland, and their ever lasting fight for freedom. 82.132.216.131 (talk) 02:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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Mindset on “What Women Want”
In an early 2000 era I want to know how he understood the role and the way to play it; and if no one hears of the movie; I recommend you check it out when you can. It’s very eye opening to understand the difference between gender equality and gender as separate beings. And if Mel Gibson himself ever sees this in the world of today; #futureera I sure to hope he gives a response to my question at play.

How was you so woke to playing the role of this movie and how did it change your mind of how to view the world afterwards.

I’m excited to see what my response may generate to the world of new users to the #Lifeoftechnology extends to reach out to the world 69.178.2.113 (talk) 04:40, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Childhood in New York
The article says he was born in Peekskill, will this might be true if he was delivered in a hospital, his childhood home was in the close by hamlet of Verplanck. https://nypost.com/2000/03/02/small-town-big-uproar-film-gives-community-plenty-to-mona-about/ The house is located on Highland Avenue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hogler (talk • contribs) 20:51, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Braveheart
It was Edward III, not Edward I. 2601:404:D701:47A0:59E8:F6CD:B145:FE55 (talk) 19:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * No, it was Edward I. See Cultural depictions of Edward I of England, which contains mention of Patrick McGoohan playing him in Braveheart. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  00:02, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2023
In the sentence - The 'good Jews' look like Italian movie stars (Magdalene actually is an Italian movie star, the lovely Monica Bellucci); Mary, who would have been around 50 and appeared 70, could pass for a ripe 35."[102]"  - "the lovely" should be removed from "the lovely Monica Bellucci" and replaced with generic "the actress Monica Bellucci" as 'the lovely' implies multiple things that cannot be substantiated SocialInteractions (talk) 03:56, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: While such a characterization by the article would be unencyclopedic, this is a direct quote of from a review of movie and thus is presented unaltered as the opinion of that author. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 05:24, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for explaining that to me. sometimes I have to read a sentence 15 times to get it to click due to TBIs. Thanks again SocialInteractions (talk) 20:29, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2023
Whoever wrote this needs to include "We Were Soldiers Once...And Young" to Mel Gibson's film credits 71.31.254.148 (talk) 01:05, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The film version of We_Were_Soldiers_Once…_and_Young is We_Were_Soldiers which is already in the article RudolfRed (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Future projects
What's up with this section? It really doesn't make much sense to have content that is now several years outdated and will probably never come to fruition under the heading "Future Projects" since whatever is added to this may be relevant at the time but quickly passé once that time has passed. It constantly needs to be updated and checked. Half these projects never happened and are no longer "future". Are they now: "unrealized projects"? Why bother? "Beserker" is considered dead in the water (2021). Warner Bros. shelved the Maccabees script (2012). The Passion of the Christ: Resurrection is already shot and ready for release in 2024 (this needs to be removed). "Destroyer" stopped cold in 2018. 2005 "Sam and George" was cancelled so I don't know why it's even in this section. Maineartists (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * i removed/merged that section. but imo the "film work" section still has to be integrated into the career section -- FMSky (talk) 08:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

American Actor
He actually came to Australia very young and was brought up Aussie and trained here in Australia at NIDA. He didn't go back to America til his mid 20s. 2001:8003:E020:CB01:FFD6:E0E2:F8E0:52EA (talk) 10:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)