Talk:Melanie Martinez/Archive 1

Death
Today, it has been identified as the woman in a car crash being Melanie Martinez. Rip 100.8.154.6 (talk) 02:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * this is not true. Jade studies (talk) 19:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

^^ this is false. No supporting news articles Imogen.beth (talk) 09:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

False
This is false melanie Martinez current boyfriend is not oliver tree. Her current new boyfriend is a hip pop/rapper singer, producer, and photographer. That goes by the name of verde or coachwave and his real name is justin. 2601:801:103:8BA0:25D8:7686:3534:32A6 (talk) 08:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I noticed this too, but because it's locked I don't think I can change it right now unfortunately Thedualcitizen (talk) 19:33, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion
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 * Melanie Martinez- I Can’t Wait Till I’m Out Of K-12 (2021).webp

Mispelled Artist
Nicoletta Ceccoli is spelled incorrectly in the "Artistry" "Influences" section. "Martinez cites Mark Ryden and Nicoletta Ciccoli as her favorite visual artists" 69.34.99.16 (talk) 22:27, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Done.Karst (talk) 22:45, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2016
81.0.157.136 (talk) 09:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC) I want to edit the picture of her, because thats an old picture of her. Once the file has been properly uploaded, please reactivate this request, (by changing answered=y to answered-no in the top line) and link to the image you want added. Please note that the picture must not be copyright, which excludes almost all images that you find on the internet, in magazines etc., and you will need proof that it is not copyright, just saying it is not copyright is not acceptable. - Arjayay (talk) 09:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2017
add her youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/Melmartinezx3 198.52.13.15 (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL - Arjayay (talk) 17:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Cry Baby World Tour article
There needs to be an article created for her world tour. Crybbluvyduby (talk) 03:43, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

It was redirected previously because of a lack of sources. She played House of Blues type of venues and those type of tours are generally not notable. But I would be happy to discuss sources here. Karst (talk) 08:53, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

On her fan wikia, several articles include all of the dates and venues she played during The Crybaby World Tour http://melanie-martinez.wikia.com/wiki/Cry_Baby_Tour http://melanie-martinez.wikia.com/wiki/Cry_Baby_Tour_Part_2 Crybbluvyduby (talk) 00:17, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to necrobump this; I agree that the tour needs to be acknowledged, but unless it has several "non-trivial" sources to back up its notability, it can't have its own article. Otherwise, I suggest a small subsection for it on the album. Based on my Google results however, I'm leaning towards the latter, as the only real, viable source I found was an Idolator article, as well as a couple of AXS articles. -- Aleccat  02:18, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2017
114.76.194.196 (talk) 16:00, 12 November 2017 (UTC) Her songs are usually about the struggles of life, how she barely managed to fit in as she was bullied in her childhood.
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  16:17, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism due to rape allegations
Users such as Dadstootz have been vandalizing this article, calling her "Felony Martinez" and a "rapist." Not only does this violate NPOV, but it's potentially libelous since the allegations have not been proven. Is this page semi-protected yet? Innocent people have been falsely accused in the past, such as Kobe Bryant, so she may very well be innocent. I have seen tweets that appear to implicate Ms. Heller as having lied for attention, but surely Wikipedia might want stronger evidence. Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true. But in any case, these edits are disruptive and blatant vandalism. Thanks. PF4Eva (talk) 09:11, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Martinez's second statement
Martinez's second statement seems to confirm that Heller made the whole thing up. According to Heller's interview with Newsweek, the sexual assault happened June 25, 2015. However, Martinez was in New York and Heller was in LA. Without getting into specifics, a lot of things don't add up, and Martinez's most recent statement appears to confirm this. Is it safe to analyze these inconsistencies? PF4Eva (talk) 03:09, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think including her statement analyzes it well. To delve too deep into the accusations would be biased.  Aleccat  03:21, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks. PF4Eva (talk) 04:34, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The entire statement is undue weight and clearly attempts to tip the balance against Heller. The brief way it's presented today is neutral and balanced. Additionally, the whole statement contains general comments not directly related to Heller's claims.--Tenebrae (talk) 23:06, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I highly disagree, in terms of context. I'm not starting an edit war however. -- Aleccat  23:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated, especially given PF4Eva's own admission that he wants to claim "Heller made the whole thing up." None of us was there, none of us knows these two, and armchair detective work is OR and WP:SYNTH. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE
I concur with User:General Ization's revert of User:Lilg54g's reinsertion today of the WP:UNDUE edit Lilg54g made on Dec. 24. I would ask Lilg54g to discuss the issue on this talk page rather than edit-warring. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:17, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * At least two editors have each reverted User:Lilg54g's WP:UNDUE edit, and Lilg54g today continues to slow-motion edit-war. If this continues, admin intervention will be requested. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2018
Hi, I would just like to say that some information in this article is fake, and I would like to fix it. Thank You! TeamMelanieMartinez (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If you think anything in the article is incorrect, please explicitly state it here, what is wrong about it, and what you would like it changed to, with a reliable source to support your change. -- irn (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2018
Supersauceoof (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


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"Never said no"
In the rape allegation section, it says that apparently Heller "never said no". However, this is misleading, because although in this context it makes it seem as if Martinez is confirming rape, just saying that Heller never said no. However, this is misleading. What Martinez was actually saying was "She never said no to anything we did together". Id suggest we extend this quote out to here to avoid any misconceptions

Vkb24312 (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC) Vkb24312 (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * This editor has made only two article edits, and made no edits since July 2017 until this out-from-the-blue talk-page comment. I suspect it is a SOCK of another redlink editor. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes I agree but I persanoly think she didnt rape her OneOnComingCrybaby (talk) 04:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

The Voice
The voice is in the uk not america — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:9027:F300:7971:330B:1B83:52E4 (talk) 19:39, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you'd enjoy reading The Voice (U.S. TV series).  General Ization Talk  19:41, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't She and The Elder Be Disambiguated?
Both Peyton Lists have already been disambiguated. And she is a famous singer from New York while the elder who's 23 years her senior was a host for what was formerly named Sprout.

So should the article be renamed to Melanie Adele Martinez just to avoid confusion with the not so famous other. May or may not happen.

Good night,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 01:15, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * They already are disambiguated. This article is located at "Melanie Martinez (singer)" and the one for Melanie Martinez the actress is at "Melanie Martinez (actress)". I don't see the confusion. Why would we want to change the method of disambiguation? -- irn (talk) 06:11, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

K-12
Melanie confirmed that there would be thirteen songs on the album and a hour-and-a-half long film coming out with it, which she directed and wrote. She also said the album would be released September 6, 2019, and that she would be going on tour to promote it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8300:1475:C550:8F4A:C3B6:319 (talk) 17:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2019
2800:2162:5400:6E1:C932:ECE0:C9CC:6399 (talk) 21:46, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Melanie Martinez: songwriter, Singer and actress.
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Add production partner for k-12
Add Frame 48 for a production partner for k-12 ‘s film Emmab823 (talk) 00:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 29 October 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Melanie Martinez (singer) → Melanie Martinez – WP:TWODABS. Actress pales in notability.|Melanie_Martinez_(singer)|Melanie_Martinez_(actress) Unreal7 (talk) 19:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support Singer gets 100x the pageviews, plus it's a WP:2DABPRIMARY situation. Colin M (talk) 23:45, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Of the two, the singer is clearly of greater significance. PC78 (talk) 11:27, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. At this point (compared to maybe a few years ago), her greater significance is clear. feminist (talk) 13:44, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. This has become the primary Melanie Martinez in the public realm. --Tenebrae (talk) 13:49, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Other article is a stub about a much lesser-known individual. The singer is clearly of more significance. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 16:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per the above. Aoba47 (talk) 14:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Music genre
Her music is also trap influenced please add this to her musical genre Keresenn Allett (talk) 13:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

It took her around 4 years to create all her songs and make the movie K-12. Abbeyl24 (talk) 10:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020
I would like to add a more recent picture. Spinelli Nutelli (talk) 03:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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Add Alternative R&B to her genres
Melanie Martinez fuses many different instruments with a lot of R&B inspired music. Songs such as Play Date, which features some R&B tings & a singing style of the sort, as well as her new After School EP show Melanie as a alternative R&B artist with a lot of the songs fusing alternative pop with R&B, creating alternative R&B. Therefore, I think she should have Alternative R&B added to her categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidenrouhani (talk • contribs) 18:09, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Melanie is also a dancer !!!
Melanie Martinez danced on the K-12 tour and in the film! She also choreographed “The Bakery” music video !!!! LittleBodyBigStan (talk) 04:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Play Date Music Video
Melanie actually cancelled the Play Date music video due to their budget, time, and the pandemic. Instead, she’s working on her next film and album, a sequel to K-12! I look forward to their next masterpiece, but it won’t be a music video for Play Date LittleBodyBigStan (talk) 04:11, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , this is mentioned in the article for the song, but no source is provided. Do you happen to have one? Elizium23 (talk) 04:14, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Pronouns
Hi just wanted to point out that Melanie Martinez's pronouns are she/they so it would be more inclusive to them if you could use both when talking about her (see I did it just then, its really not that difficult). Just a thought and no it won't be confusing to read at all if you state their pronouns so people can respect her the way they want people to. MoreRoyalThanYou (talk) 13:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

THIS !!! :) LittleBodyBigStan (talk) 04:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

I wanted to say this too, it’s really important (to me and other people, maybe not to other people but mel deserves respect especially regarding their pronouns) <33 Nessabali (talk) 08:46, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

i agree to the fact that this wikipage should respect Mel’s pronouns ( she/they )! As a person who goes by she/they themselves, i would love to see this page respect her pronouns! Its not that hard to use pronouns correctly, and +, it will probably make them feel nice about it ( and us too^^ ) ! ~ Ariellathefruitynby (talk) 06:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Keyboard
please change ((keyboard))s to ((Keyboard instrument|keyboards)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4305:c70:7418:8611:1e75:3aad (talk • contribs) 14:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done nyuszika7h (talk) 15:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * yes Antsteristhe (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2018
Add the fact that Melanie Martinez is a rapist, please. (this is not a joke and i am being serious) 2600:1700:3FE0:FAC0:24C5:D9E8:3268:94B4 (talk) 20:31, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done:: The sexual assault and rape allegations are already detailed in the article. Please make any further request for editing in a "Please change X to Y" format. Thanks, Nici  Vampire  Heart  00:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This is an accusation and it's labeled as such. Please refrain from claiming accusations and unproven things as fact. Santimonre (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Discography
K-12 (2019) should be added to discography, since it's her second album.

SA allegations section
This section is far too biased, its only a quote but including a quote claiming they are proven false despite the so called "evidence" of it being a lie being extremely flimsy is in my opinion not a good look for a site like wikipedia. the rest of the paragraph is also basically just there to try and paint melanie as the victim and downplay the actual victims. There is currently no evidence that the allegations are false unless wikipedia now accepts nonsense twitter threads from melanie martinez fans as sources. 77.98.45.106 (talk) 17:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I've looked at it searching for what you are saying and can't seem to find it. The article is citing a "The Line of Best Fit article" where the writer claims they are false. This is properly cited and sourced in Wikipedia even if the article it references doesn't have any sources. The most appropiate action should probably be adding a small edit clarifying that this is merely a claim and nothing has been proven or disproven yet. Santimonre (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


 * But why even reference that article in the first place? What value does it add over any other source that claims the allegations are true or false? Either this quote should be taken out as it's meaningless alone, or there should be multiple examples of which writers/articles claim the allegations are proven or disproven. Ichi shiroi tora (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)