Talk:Member states of NATO/Archive 1

Georgia?
Uh, is Georgia a member or not? Other pages say that it "aspires to membership". But this page says that it is a member... 125.188.6.65 (talk) 14:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Georgia is NOT a member country at the present time. Latvia is. See NATO's website and list of member countries at http://www.nato.int/structur/countries.htm I personally wish that Georgia were a member country at the present time, but the reality is that it is not. Someone appears to be intentionally vandalizing the page to exclude Latvia and include Georgia as a member state in light of the current conflict with Russia.Esbullin (talk) 14:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Update: Croatia + Albania Join NATO
please update your list with two new NATO members, Croatia and Albania. Congratulations to both of them.
 * They have not yet joined. There are plans for joining in 2009.  C h a m a l  talk 02:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Update: France
"Some time in 2008", running out of time as there's 1.5 weeks left in the year. --208.38.59.163 (talk) 18:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved as proposal was uncontested. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 14:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Members of NATO → Member states of NATO — Use as in intro: The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is a military alliance that consists of 28 member states.--TopoChecker (talk) 18:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
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Source of Military Expenditures Numbers
Can someone please cite and link to a source for the amounts spent on NATO members militaries? Thx.  Mr  JM  —Preceding undated comment added 14:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC).

What's the purpose of NATO?
NATO was created to counter the Warsaw Pact od Socialist countries. But now, since there's no Warsaw Pact, there's no purpose of NATO, and it should be dismissed. If not it will cause a much stronger alliance against itself, which will defeat it easily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:71b5:7000:7087:a0ed:e6db:a725 (talk • contribs)

Firstly NATO was NOT created to counter the Warsaw Pact as the North Atlantic Treaty was signed 4 April 1949 where the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance 14 May 1955. NATO was created as a military and political alliance intending to contain Soviet(Russian) aggression and the expansion of Communism as well as support the development and security of member nations (original 12 now 29). Now with that being said, yes the Treaty was created with the idea of an armed Soviet invasion, however, the term "Soviet Union" nor any other phrasing directly describing any of the Soviet bloc is excluded from founding/governing document.

Article 1 of the North Atlantic Treaty states, "...to settle any international disputes in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations." Article 4 goes as far as saying, "The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened."

I would highly recommend reading the complete treaty (as well as the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance) and visiting NATO's website for more information. I would also caution you to not assert opinions within Wikipedia as frequently it can be disruptive cause unnecessary, all be it unintended, arguing within the community.

Copy of North Atlantic Treaty: https://www.loc.gov/law/help/us-treaties/bevans/m-ust000004-0828.pdf NATO Website: https://www.nato.int/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeMachiavellian (talk • contribs) 20:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Bulgarian army reserve
The information provided about the reserve of the Bulgarian army seems to be exaggerated. In chapter "Military personnel", the Bulgarian reserve is stated as 302,500. I have failed to find this info in the sources given in the end, also I haven't found this or approximate to it number for the Bulgarian military reserve in the web-pages related to the Bulgarian army. May I ask, how did this number turn out to be here?

Greetings, Back0ut (talk) 12:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)!

Military personnel data
Please provide citations for the personnel numbers.

158.143.189.172 (talk) 18:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Doesn't the subsequent section provide the same information in the 'Deployable Military' column... thus rendering the Military Personnel section somewhat irrelevant? 139.153.206.1 (talk) 20:33, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Inaccurate Data
The Military Expenditure table data is wildly inaccurate. Unless there are any reasonable objections, I would like to update this to the latest information as released by NATO: Defence Expenditures of NATO Countries (2009-2016).

Also, the cut-off date for information used in this report is 1 July 2016; thus, figures for 2016 are estimates. Is it acceptable to use these 2016 estimates or should 2015 data be used?

Inaccurate Data2
Numbers in Military Expenditures table doesn't add together - for example population column is total 906,002,051 while if you add all numbers in that column you come to 923,380,586. Same is applicable to GDP 36,211,501 while sum is 33,965,308; Expenditures 904,913 vs. 893,919; Deployable military: 3,515,000 vs. 3,185,900.

Moreover data doesn't add up even in rows - for example Portugal GDP is according to table: 199,077 mio. USD; Military Expenditure is 4,380 mio. USD; and Military Expenditure as %GDP is 1.38; while obliviously it is in fact 2.2% - this can be caused by the fact that number in each column is from different year but it is still unlikely that difference will be almost 0.8% of GDP... The numbers should be kept from same year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.62.4.101 (talk) 09:50, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

The numbers should be fixed or some explanation provided.

TrueFacts73 (talk) 17:55, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Heads of State Image Gallery
I removed the heads of state section a few weeks ago as it is a bit of an image fest and has no relevance to a list of member states of NATO. This has been reverted and added back in so I propose that the gallery is removed again as it has no relevance to the article. MilborneOne (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This was also discussed here, where there was a consensus against this. TDL (talk) 23:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I also agree that the portraits shouldn't be included in this article. Nick-D (talk) 07:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * As in the discussion on Talk:NATO, I am against including galleries in general and this one specifically. Besides the reasons that have been stated, what I'll add here is that there is an inherent issue with including "Heads of State" verses "Head of Government", and trying to bridge those is inevitably messy. For example, this gallery shows the mostly ceremonial President of Greece.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 15:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, I have removed the gallery. MilborneOne (talk) 15:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Spending *ON* NATO?
The section Military expenditures starts with this sentence: The United States spends more on the organization than all other members combined.

I believe that statement is misleading. The table below it provides us with data pertaining to how much each country spends on ITS OWN MILITARY/DEFENCE. None of the budgets set aside for each individual country in NATO is actually spent ON the organisation.

The sentence should be reworded to reflect the reality - these are not amounts of money put into some NATO kitty, into which NATO can dip when it decides. --2A00:23C4:581:A700:46FC:9092:6A3C:2D81 (talk) 00:54, 12 July 2018 (UTC)